Wimbledon 2009

Ruben said:
You seem to confuse losing to a better player as "having no bottle".
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Apart from the French Open Finals, squandering 200 breakpoints did become a habit in his other final encounters...
 
Ruben said:
No.

He has made tremendous improvements over the last year. Especially considering his mentality. Was a bit of an ass before, and struggled to control his temperament. His coaches have worked a lot on that in the last year and it pays off. He almost took out Nadal in last years Wimbledon as well, in a match that was delayed a hundred times.

He is still young, has a very powerful strike, is a great server and clay is not his favourite surface, so you can expect more from him.

That said, he is living in an age where tennis talents are in abundance though, so it will be tough for him to go all the way.
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Despite his talent he's a little bit hit & miss if you ask me. Makes too many errors. Has 1 good tournament followed by 3 bad ones type of player.
 
Rams said:
Despite his talent he's a little bit hit & miss if you ask me. Makes too many errors. Has 1 good tournament followed by 3 bad ones type of player.
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Yeah his history shows that.

But from what I`ve read and heard he`s been working very hard on his concentration and focus, so I think that might change.

Obviously very early to say.
 
Kevin said:
Apart from the French Open Finals, squandering 200 breakpoints did become a habit in his other final encounters...
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But he still wins most of them right.

He has a Nadal complex, no doubt about that, but the idea that Federer lacks bottle in general is wrong, IMO.
 
kietotheworld said:
Why does he only hold two grand slams then?
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He doesn't hold two grandslams. :confused:

In fact, at 23 and struggling with injuries, he only needs to win the US Open to match Federer's recent feat of having won every Grand Slam at least once... and at this age you'd have to say only injuries will stop him from challenging Federer's number of grand slams.

Why did Federer beat Nadal on Nadal's favourite surface in their last match?
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Everyone in roughly the past 1 and a half year beats Federer regularly in any tournament aside of Grand Slams. That's when the best show their best tennis. Federer at Grandslams = different federer at small fry tournaments. The same goes for Nadal.

Federer beat Nadal last year on clay in Hamburg and everyone thought he had a chance against nadal at Roland Garros... he was allowed 3 games and got absolutely humiliated by a completely different Nadal.

If we wiped out every small fry and beat his only rival then surely he would hold everything? This Nadal-domination that you envision doesn't reflect reality.
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He's the world no.1 and fecked Federer in their last three meetings in Grand Slam finals. At 23. Yes, I'm clearly wrong...
 
Kevin said:
He doesn't hold two grandslams. :confused:

In fact, at 23 and struggling with injuries, he only needs to win the US Open to match Federer's recent feat of having won every Grand Slam at least once...



Everyone in roughly the past 1 and a half year beats Federer regularly in any tournament aside of Grand Slams. That's when the best show their best tennis. Federer at Grandslams = different federer at small fry tournaments. The same goes for Nadal.

Federer beat Nadal last year on clay in Hamburg and everyone thought he had a chance against nadal at Roland Garros... he was allowed 3 games and got absolutely humiliated by a completely different Nadal.



He's the world no.1 and fecked Federer in their last three meetings in Grand Slam finals. At 23. Yes, I'm clearly wrong...
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Bottle;)

Agree with the post though.
 
The draw

TOP HALF



Juan Martin Del Potro (Arg) (5)
v
Arnaud Clement (Fra)

Lleyton Hewitt (Aus)
v
Robby Ginepri (USA)

Rajeev Ram (USA)
v
Philipp Petzschner (Ger)

Mischa Zverev (Ger)
v
Dmitry Tursunov (Rus) (25)

Radek Stepanek (Cze) (23)
v
Alejandro Falla (Col)

Potito Starace (Ita)
v
Jose Acasuso (Arg)

Fabio Fognini (Ita)
v
Denis Istomin (Uzb)

Kevin Kim (USA)
v
David Ferrer (Spa) (16)

Nikolay Davydenko (Rus) (12)
v
Daniel Evans (Gbr)

Victor Crivoi (Rom)
v
Bjorn Phau (Ger)

Frederico Gil (Por)
v
Paul-Henri Mathieu (Fra)

Alex Bogdanovic (Gbr)
v
Tomas Berdych (Cze) (20)

Jurgen Melzer (Aut) (26)
v
Wayne Odesnik (USA)

Benjamin Becker (Ger)
v
Roko Karanusic (Cro)

Grigor Dimitrov (Bul)
v
Igor Kunitsyn (Rus)

Jeremy Chardy (Fra)
v
Andy Roddick (USA) (6)

Andy Murray (Gbr) (3)
v
Robert Kendrick (USA)

Riccardo Ghedin (Ita)
v
Ernests Gulbis (Lat)

Taylor Dent (USA)
v
Daniel Gimeno-Traver (Spa)

Brian Dabul (Arg)
v
Viktor Troicki (Ser) (30)

Stanislas Wawrinka (Swi) (19)
v
Eduardo Schwank (Arg)

Pablo Andujar (Spa)
v
Martin Vassallo Arguello (Arg)

Christophe Rochus (Bel)
v
Pablo Cuevas (Uru)

Jesse Levine (USA)
v
Marat Safin (Rus) (14)

Fernando Gonzalez (Chi) (10)
v
Teimuraz Gabashvili (Rus)

Oscar Hernandez (Spa)
v
Leonardo Mayer (Arg)

Juan Carlos Ferrero (Spa)
v
Mikhail Youzhny (Rus)

Fabrice Santoro (Fra)
v
Nicolas Kiefer (Ger) (33)

Victor Hanescu (Rom) (31)
v
Ivan Navarro (Spa)

Nicolas Devilder (Fra)
v
Nicolas Lapentti (Ecu)

Thiago Alves (Bra)
v
Andrei Pavel (Rom)

Bobby Reynolds (USA)
v
Gilles Simon (Fra) (8)

BOTTOM HALF



James Blake (USA) (17)
v
Andreas Seppi (Ita)

Adrian Mannarino (Fra)
v
Marc Gicquel (Fra)

Paul Capdeville (Chi)
v
Vincent Spadea (USA)

Evgeny Korolev (Rus)
v
Igor Andreev (Rus) (29)

Tommy Haas (Ger) (24)
v
Alexander Peya (Aut)

Michael Llodra (Fra)
v
Joshua Goodall (Gbr)

Sam Querrey (USA)
v
Ivan Ljubicic (Cro)

Alberto Martin (Spa)
v
Marin Cilic (Cro) (11)

Tommy Robredo (Spa) (15)
v
Luka Gregorc (Slo)

Edouard Roger-Vasselin (Fra)
v
Stefan Koubek (Aut)

Dudi Sela (Isr)
v
Santiago Gonzalez (Mex)

Xavier Malisse (Bel)
v
Rainer Schuettler (Ger) (18)

Mardy Fish (USA) (28)
v
Sergio Roitman (Arg)

Jan Hernych (Cze)
v
Janko Tipsarevic (Ser)

Simon Greul (Ger)
v
Michael Yani (USA)

Julien Benneteau (Fra)
v
Novak Djokovic (Ser) (4)

Fernando Verdasco (Spa) (7)
v
James Ward (Gbr)

Nicolas Mahut (Fra)
v
Kristof Vliegen (Bel)

Diego Junqueira (Arg)
v
Guillermo Canas (Arg)

Grega Zemlja (Slo)
v
Albert Montanes (Spa) (32)

Ivo Karlovic (Cro) (22)
v
Lukas Lacko (Svk)

Steve Darcis (Bel)
v
Frank Dancevic (Can)

Simone Bolelli (Ita)
v
Daniel Koellerer (Aut)

Andrey Golubev (Kaz)
v
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (Fra) (9)

Robin Soderling (Swe) (13)
v
Gilles Muller (Lux)

Marcel Granollers (Spa)
v
Andreas Beck (Ger)

Nicolas Almagro (Spa)
v
Juan Monaco (Arg)

Marcos Baghdatis (Cyp)
v
Feliciano Lopez (Spa) (21)

Phillip Kohlschreiber (Ger) (27)
v
Florent Serra (Fra)

Ivo Minar (Cze)
v
Maximo Gonzalez (Arg)

Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (Spa)
v
Agustin Calleri (Arg)

Yen-Hsun Lu (Tpe)
v
Roger Federer (Swi) (2)
 
Kevin said:
He doesn't hold two grandslams. :confused:

In fact, at 23 and struggling with injuries, he only needs to win the US Open to match Federer's recent feat of having won every Grand Slam at least once..
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Australian Open and Wimbledon.

Everyone in roughly the past 1 and a half year beats Federer regularly in any tournament aside of Grand Slams. That's when the best show their best tennis. Federer at Grandslams = different federer at small fry tournaments. The same goes for Nadal.[

Federer beat Nadal last year on clay in Hamburg and everyone thought he had a chance against nadal at Roland Garros... he was allowed 3 games and got absolutely humiliated by a completely different Nadal.
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Nadal has something of an advantage over Federer in direct competition, there's no doubt about that, but the fact Federer, and other players, can occasionally beat him shows that he's not all that superior.

He's the world no.1 and fecked Federer in their last three meetings in Grand Slam finals. At 23. Yes, I'm clearly wrong...
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He loses match against inferior players, he doesn't 'destroy every small fry' and his only rival, because if he did he'd win everything.
 
kietotheworld said:
Australian Open and Wimbledon.

Everyone in roughly the past 1 and a half year beats Federer regularly in any tournament aside of Grand Slams. That's when the best show their best tennis. Federer at Grandslams = different federer at small fry tournaments. The same goes for Nadal.

Federer beat Nadal last year on clay in Hamburg and everyone thought he had a chance against nadal at Roland Garros... he was allowed 3 games and got absolutely humiliated by a completely different Nadal.

Nadal has something of an advantage over Federer in direct competition, there's no doubt about that, but the fact Federer, and other players, can occasionally beat him shows that he's not all that superior.



He loses match against inferior players, he doesn't 'destroy every small fry' and his only rival, because if he did he'd win everything.
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Federer 3-4 years ago was untouchable, even for Nadal. But I don't think Federer has been at that level since then.
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Not sure, haven`t seen his stats, I`ll try to dig them up.

Has a style that would do well on grass though.
 
I see we have a distinct attack Federer/defend Federer pattern going on here.

Del Boy isn't good on grass.
 
He has improved vastly since the grass court season last year however. In his overall game that is, not on grass.
 
Karlovic, unfortunately serving is all he can do. Get to the tiebreak and he usually bottles it.

He served a record 55 aces in his first round match against Hewitt at the French...and still lost.
 
Skelter said:
He has improved vastly since the grass court season last year however. In his overall game that is, not on grass.
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It's going to be difficult for him if he's only played 4 matches on grass. He hasn't even played 1 grass tournament this season.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
You do know that Murray is 6-2 ahead of Federer head to head?
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Really? I'm surprised by that. Goes to show how far Murray's come since the early years when he didn't have the fitness to close out big games.

He'll give Federer real problems if they meet in the final.
 
I do. 5 sets in a Grand Slam final at Wimbledon (or the US) is a little different than those other meetings though.

But Murray has a great record over Federer yes and he can beat him. I wasn't laughing at anyone suggesting that, I believe he'll get to the final.

But this...

Addict said:
How can anybody like Federer.. I hate the guy so much. Murray is going to win it this year, It's a dead cert.
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Addict said:
Federer will be shitting it if he meets Murray. He knows Murray is a lot better than him.
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Is a bit OTT!

What do you think is gonna happen then Baldwin?
 
I agree with Skelter.

Murray obviously can beat Federer, but the idea that he will do so easily because Federer will be bricking it is silly.

And Grand Slams are very different from other tournaments. Federer loses matches to many players these days, but never in a Grand Slam - Nadal being the exception.
 
Skelter said:
What do you think is gonna happen then Baldwin?
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I think the odds are that it will certainly be a Fed - Murray final. As to who would win should that happen, it's hard to say...

I think grass is more Fed's surface than Murray's but it'll be interesting to see how Fed copes with having not played a warm up grass tournament pre-Wimbo - Murray's preparation, winning Queen's, was certainly better.

I also think it'll be interesting to see how Federer emerges from his victory in the French in general. Will it really fix his confidence and other issues and see him back to his absolute best? Or will the fact that he knows he didn't have to play Nadal nag at him?

I certainly think Nadal's absence here at Wimbo is just as much of a boost to Fed as it is to Murray - however much he tries to deny it!

I'd pick Fed to just win this one as it's the best chance he'll ever have to go ahead of the Sampras record. I think Murray's chances are better at the US Open later in the year.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
Here's their head to head stats on the ATP website-

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=F324&oId=MC10

He's won their last 4 meetings as well. Would really be interesting if they met in the final as Murray does appear to have Fed sussed.
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I wasn't doubting you, I was just surprised.

I'm not convinced he has him sussed just yet(what with Federer being ill for periods/in poor form/low on confidence/Murray being in amazing form in the last year or so), but I can see making a real, real fight of it at the very least if they make it to a final.

Strange as I would have found it to say it a year or so ago, I think Murray has every chance against him, even on grass.*

*I'm not assuming either one or both of them will get to the final, just speculating in true tennis-muppet style.:)
 
RedKaos said:
Im being dragged along to Wimbledon tomorrow, know feck all about Tennis.
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It's considered good etiquette to shout "C'mon Timmmmmmmm" at any stage before, during or after a point is played. Regardless of who's playing at the time. Also, when the players change shirts you're expected to whistle loudly and shout "Waheyyyyyyyyy".

Thank me later.
 
Ruben said:
I like the Wimbledon audience, well from what I gather from the telly anyway.
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Very polite and British!

There's the toffs who don't understand what or who they are watching and the 'mad' fans with their flags and facepaint.

There wont be any 'alleeezzzzz' noises anyway.
 
You forgot the Tiger Tim forward lunge and fist pump after aces, Brophs.

Good depth is essential. I have been told it helps to visualise punching Ronny Corbett in the face.
 
Wow just looked at the odds on Betfair and they have Murray at 3/1

This is the greatest bet I have ever seen and I will be going all in
 
KeyserSoze said:
You forgot the Tiger Tim forward lunge and fist pump after aces, Brophs.

Good depth is essential. I have been told it helps to visualise punching Ronny Corbett in the face.
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Good shout.

Murray needs a 'brilliant' nickname like Tiger Tim, only better....

erm.....

Mint Murray-because he's, well....mint?

Furry Murray-because he's a beast?

Those are just two of the top class nicknames I have lined up.
 
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