A few people might disagree with that.
Will this summer be the Busiest yet?
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A few people might disagree with that.
that central midfield is our weakest link, we have to strengthen in that department.
Based on a 442...
GK
1Neur,
2Lindegaard,
Amoas
RB
Rafael
3.Brown
CB
4.Ferdinand
5.Vidic
6.Evans
7.Smalling
8.O'Shea*
LB
9.Evra
Fabio
CM
Rodwell
10.Fletcher
11.Anderson
12.Carrick
13.Giggs*
14.Cleverley
LM
15.Nani
16.Bale
RM
17.Park
18.Valencia
ST
19.Rooney
20.Berbatov
21.Hernandez
Welbeck
Addition touch-and-go squad players - 22. Obertan, 23. Bebe
That would see sales/loans/retiremnts of Diouf, Macheda (loan), Owen, Scholes,Gibson, Hargreaves, De Laet, van der Sar, Kuszczak. Obertan is one I am touch and go on, same with Bebe - i'd sell them both if we can get a decent offer for them, but I'd feel it would highten the need for a winger to be brought in.
Signings of Neuer and Bale listed, but really could be any keeper and a winger (of good quality) - Bale is quite unlikely in reality, imo, but I'm not sur ewhat other LW option we could go for. Rodwell is a likely target too imo.
That leaves us at, as long as I have not utterly screwed up, 23 registered players. Pogba, Morrison, Tunnicliffe, Brady, King, Keane etc would all be young lads that could/would add something to the squad too.
For me - a top goalkeeper is an obvious priority, and we need to add a quality player to the centre of the park - and I would also like a left winger; they would be my 3 positional targets this summer. With regards to the central midfield, only Rodwell listed above, but a few targets listed below. Trying to marry what I think will happen with what I would like to happen. Would like two quality CMs, one defensive and one attackive, but have to keep an eye on the possible progression of Pogba, Morrison, Tunnicliffe and Cleverley, as well as maybe Matt James too.
GK.
1. Neuer
2. Ceasar
3. De Gea
Other potential targets: Steklenberg/Gordon/McGregor/Adler
CM.
1. Schweinsteiger
2. Modric
3. Rodwell
Other potential targets: Hamsik, Pastore, M'Villa, L.Diarra
LW
1. Bale
Other potential targets: No idea to be honest.
Other potential targets: Sanchez, Benzema, Shawcross, Phil Jones.
We may also take a few Obertan style punts on a younger player or two.
GK
1Neur,
2Lindegaard,
Amoas
RB
Rafael
3.Brown
CB
4.Ferdinand
5.Vidic
6.Evans
7.Smalling
8.O'Shea*
LB
9.Evra
Fabio
CM
Rodwell
10.Fletcher
11.Anderson
12.Carrick
13.Giggs*
14.Cleverley
LM
15.Nani
16.Bale
RM
17.Park
18.Valencia
ST
19.Rooney
20.Berbatov
21.Hernandez
Welbeck
Addition touch-and-go squad players - 22. Obertan, 23. Bebe
That would see sales/loans/retiremnts of Diouf, Macheda (loan), Owen, Scholes,Gibson, Hargreaves, De Laet, van der Sar, Kuszczak. Obertan is one I am touch and go on, same with Bebe - i'd sell them both if we can get a decent offer for them, but I'd feel it would highten the need for a winger to be brought in.
Signings of Neuer and Bale listed, but really could be any keeper and a winger (of good quality) - Bale is quite unlikely in reality, imo, but I'm not sur ewhat other LW option we could go for. Rodwell is a likely target too imo.
That leaves us at, as long as I have not utterly screwed up, 23 registered players. Pogba, Morrison, Tunnicliffe, Brady, King, Keane etc would all be young lads that could/would add something to the squad too.
For me - a top goalkeeper is an obvious priority, and we need to add a quality player to the centre of the park - and I would also like a left winger; they would be my 3 positional targets this summer. With regards to the central midfield, only Rodwell listed above, but a few targets listed below. Trying to marry what I think will happen with what I would like to happen. Would like two quality CMs, one defensive and one attackive, but have to keep an eye on the possible progression of Pogba, Morrison, Tunnicliffe and Cleverley, as well as maybe Matt James too.
GK.
1. Neuer
2. Ceasar
3. De Gea
Other potential targets: Steklenberg/Gordon/McGregor/Adler
CM.
1. Schweinsteiger
2. Modric
3. Rodwell
Other potential targets: Hamsik, Pastore, M'Villa, L.Diarra
LW
1. Bale
Other potential targets: No idea to be honest.
Other potential targets: Sanchez, Benzema, Shawcross, Phil Jones.
We may also take a few Obertan style punts on a younger player or two.
After 6 months and five or six first team games? That's madness. At least give the lad a chance the chance to prove he's not good enough before writing him off.
I can see where you are coming from, and really my comment was aimed more at Obertan, in my mind.
I would be prepared to give Bebe more time, but I do think he is very far from being good enough, and a good bit away from even hinting at it. If he was a year younger I would certainly give him the time but he has to be registered for the PL next season, so that is one thing I feel could count against him remaining a United player - Fergie may have to decide between him and either another player at the club, or a potential signing, for a squad place. This year himself and Obertan are 'free' squad players, in terms of registrations, next season they are not.
EDIT: Big mistake on my part.... Bebe is only turning 21 this summer, so he will still be a 'free' squad player next season, so no reason to sell. Still right on Obertan, he would need to be registered, so he is far more likely to be for the chop in the summer.
It's hard to even guess what Arsenal might do as Wenger is more reluctant to spend than any other manager, he's been open about his admiration for Eden Hazard even though I don't see why they'd need him.
Spurs will go for a striker and to get a really top one they may have to sell Bale or Modric. Knowing Harry there will probably be another couple of deals done, possibly added defensive cover.
City have money to burn so it's impossible to guess what they will do. I can see them needing to replace Tevez and maybe adding a creative midfielder and right back.
Chelsea could use a couple of wide players as they are too narrow and lack a plan B when steamrolling teams doesn't work.
Liverpool need a left back and a proper wide man will come in useful with their new #9. I could also see them adding another midfielder.
United will almost certainly buy a keeper and I can't see Fergie ignoring the midfield, however I'd forget players like Pastore, Hamsik, Modric and Schweinsteiger and think Defour, M'Vila, Sahin and Adam. I just hope Alexis Sanchez is brought in.
Spurs will go for a striker and to get a really top one they may have to sell Bale or Modric. Knowing Harry there will probably be another couple of deals done, possibly added defensive cover.
City have money to burn so it's impossible to guess what they will do. I can see them needing to replace Tevez and maybe adding a creative midfielder and right back.
Chelsea could use a couple of wide players as they are too narrow and lack a plan B when steamrolling teams doesn't work.
Liverpool need a left back and a proper wide man will come in useful with their new #9. I could also see them adding another midfielder.
United will almost certainly buy a keeper and I can't see Fergie ignoring the midfield, however I'd forget players like Pastore, Hamsik, Modric and Schweinsteiger and think Defour, M'Vila, Sahin and Adam. I just hope Alexis Sanchez is brought in.
Next summer we will see
a) Gill stating that we're after 3 players and money is not a problem
b) SAF will confirm that he's after some players
c) Some kid is signed
d) SAF will say he want another player
e) We will end up getting no-one since some Spanish superstar had amazingly turned us down to sign with Barcelona (what a shock) and there is no one who provides value.
f) Gill will come out for the last time to say that there is still 100m in the bank TM and that money is not the problem.
a) Gill stating that we're after 3 players and money is not a problem
b) SAF will confirm that he's after some players
c) Some kid is signed
d) SAF will say he want another player
e) We will end up getting no-one since some Spanish superstar had amazingly turned us down to sign with Barcelona (what a shock) and there is no one who provides value.
f) Gill will come out for the last time to say that there is still 100m in the bank TM and that money is not the problem.
I agree. The market is the market - if you don't spend you don't get the players you want.
We've always paid big money for players in the past. If the money is available Fergie won't be frightened about getting the players in he wants.
Unless he's so set in his ways that the idea of spending more than 30m on a player would be against his principles...
Unfortunately like you said the market is how it is and you cant get away from that because as long as you have Real Madrid's, Man City's and Chelsea's there are clubs that will spend over 40m on players, United just need to roll with the punches and do likewise
The summer before we won the CL we brought in Nani (17m), Anderson (19m), Hargreaves (18m) and Tevez (not sure if there was a fee involved or not) this summer I'd wager all we really need is a top class keeper and a top class midfielder, 60m should easily be enough to cover those two positions
No. Spurs have plenty of cash to spend without needing to sell Bale or Modric.
The club's income this season has been hugely boosted by CL money and increased sponsorship deals, but only 0.5m net was spent this January on transfers. On top of this both Keane and Bentley will likely be bought by their respective loan clubs, along with several other Spurs players currently out on loan.
This leaves a huge potential pot of money available for the summer if the right target striker is available and willing to sign.
Bale and Modric will only be sold if they want to leave, unless truly silly amounts of cash are offered for them. And they definitely won't want to leave if Spurs finish in the top 4 again.
You really think Spurs could fund a £35-40M striker purchase wityhout selling an asset if you don't make the CL?
whats the fuss about rodwell??
i don't see it - he isn't even guaranteed first choice at everton is he?
i don't see it - he isn't even guaranteed first choice at everton is he?
You won't sign a big player if you don't end up in the top 4, which i don't think you would come the season end. And i have a feeling United will go for Bale if that happens
Or you could say SAF hasn't spent in CM because he thought Hargo would have a part to play and that for the last 2 seasons, we've had to cope because of him being out. With him gone and definitely not having anyone but, Fletcher able to play that ball winning / high energy CM - we'll spend to replace Hargo.
Arsenal:
They might need a keeper. But I'm not convinced tgey bwill sign one. Going by Fabianski's form, a player Wenger rates highly and the progress of Szczęsny. Almunia will leave though.
They won't add a defender either IMO. The likes of Koscielny & Squillaci will only get better. This is just their first year in England.
Midfield:. They might not even add even if they lose Fabregas. They still have Wilshere, Nasri and Ramsey. & the like of Lansbury might be promoted to allow Nasri take over Fab's role in the middle. Plus the likes of Coquelein and Frimpong to develop to cover Song.
If the sign anyone IMO it will most likely be a player like Eden Hazard for the attack.
Man City:
They really wont need much strengthening. A playmaker is all they lack. A forward if they lose Tevez.
The likes of Modric. Hamsik and Sneijder will be on their radar.
Chelsea:
They need wingers. Plus a right back as they seem to want Bosingwa to leave.
Expect the likes of Kakuta, Bruma and MacEachran to really future prominently in the squad next year.
They will add a forward if Drogba as is rumoured does live
I see them chasing Van der viel, Ribery/Neymar and an Aguero if they lose Drogba. Plus they won resit trying to add Pilro to their ranks.
Liverpool:
Reina wont leave. They aren't many team out there that need a keeper that can afford him plus the team seems on the up with Dalglish at the helm.
They will be real busy. They need wingers and fullbacks. Plus another top center back.
The likes of Gary Cahill & Ashley Young will surely be on their radar. I'm not sure who Dalglish or whoever will be in charge will be eyeing.
Spurs: They sign all the time. Expect them to chase players in every department. Expect them also to lose one of Bale or Modric to a big side. Possibly even both.
United: A keeper, a holding player and a playmaker are most likely to be signed. A winger on top of that would be an outside bet.
The likes of Macheda, Welbeck, Cleverly and de Laet are likely to get full promotion to first team duty.
Bebe and Obertan might both head out on loan
The squad will most likely lose VDS, Kuszack, Hargreaves, Brown, Scholes and possibly even Owen.
Scholes will probably retire with VDS. While I see Brown leaving.
They might need a keeper. But I'm not convinced tgey bwill sign one. Going by Fabianski's form, a player Wenger rates highly and the progress of Szczęsny. Almunia will leave though.
They won't add a defender either IMO. The likes of Koscielny & Squillaci will only get better. This is just their first year in England.
Midfield:. They might not even add even if they lose Fabregas. They still have Wilshere, Nasri and Ramsey. & the like of Lansbury might be promoted to allow Nasri take over Fab's role in the middle. Plus the likes of Coquelein and Frimpong to develop to cover Song.
If the sign anyone IMO it will most likely be a player like Eden Hazard for the attack.
Man City:
They really wont need much strengthening. A playmaker is all they lack. A forward if they lose Tevez.
The likes of Modric. Hamsik and Sneijder will be on their radar.
Chelsea:
They need wingers. Plus a right back as they seem to want Bosingwa to leave.
Expect the likes of Kakuta, Bruma and MacEachran to really future prominently in the squad next year.
They will add a forward if Drogba as is rumoured does live
I see them chasing Van der viel, Ribery/Neymar and an Aguero if they lose Drogba. Plus they won resit trying to add Pilro to their ranks.
Liverpool:
Reina wont leave. They aren't many team out there that need a keeper that can afford him plus the team seems on the up with Dalglish at the helm.
They will be real busy. They need wingers and fullbacks. Plus another top center back.
The likes of Gary Cahill & Ashley Young will surely be on their radar. I'm not sure who Dalglish or whoever will be in charge will be eyeing.
Spurs: They sign all the time. Expect them to chase players in every department. Expect them also to lose one of Bale or Modric to a big side. Possibly even both.
United: A keeper, a holding player and a playmaker are most likely to be signed. A winger on top of that would be an outside bet.
The likes of Macheda, Welbeck, Cleverly and de Laet are likely to get full promotion to first team duty.
Bebe and Obertan might both head out on loan
The squad will most likely lose VDS, Kuszack, Hargreaves, Brown, Scholes and possibly even Owen.
Scholes will probably retire with VDS. While I see Brown leaving.
Carrick is not going anywhere.
Why would he go anywhere?
Fergie rates him and trusts him.
Let's stop with this Carrick out BULLSHIT.
Why would he go anywhere?
Fergie rates him and trusts him.
Let's stop with this Carrick out BULLSHIT.
its not just carrick's fault but how have we been dominated away from home in midfield by teams like wolves, blackpool, southampton ( i could go on and on)?
this has happened consistently this season - the only game we managed to control away from home in the league was Man City (correct me if I'm wrong)
our midfield is clearly not good enough and needs strengthened
fergie obviously trusts carrick (and gibson/fletcher/anderson) but heads will have to roll surely if our form and control of games doesn't improve
United never stand still.I'm sure there will be one or two new signings in the summer,whether they'll be top name players is another question.
According to Harry we could have afforded 35m just a week ago, never mind in the summer, when even more cash will be available ... because by then we will have gained even more CL and sponsorship income.
Feb 1st 2011:
"Daniel always said that if we found the right player then we would have gone for him but it was difficult," said Redknapp.
"He tried something with Rossi. I think he offered £35million in the end.
"It's hard to get top players unless you pay top money. You couldn't get Rossi because Villareal don't want to sell you him."
"The chairman would have bought someone for £30million though, for sure. He wanted to bring someone in."
Harry reveals record Rossi bid | Sky Sports | Football | Transfer Centre | Possible Deal
....feck ye all.
Just a keeper and a midfielder, the other areas are fine. I don't know why the media is so convinced that Carrick is on his way.
VDS and Gaz are goners and I won't be surprised if they are joined by Hargreaves (retired), Wes, Owen and Scholes. If we get sign a new keeper then PIG will leave too. The outsiders are Macheda (Sampdoria may offer him to play him more then use) De Laet, Obertan, Cleverley (he may prefer to keep on playing regular football) and Gibson (he's pretty ermm shit).
Under such scenario I think that a keeper and at least one central midfielder (hopefully 2) are a must. We have Welbeck to replace Owen while Cleverley should be given a chance to replace Giggs. At least one between Obertan and Bebe should be loaned. They need it.
I wont be surprised if we get a left winger or a left sided full back. I doubt that we would break the bank for them expecially for the left back area were one will be limited to cover Evra adequately.
Under such scenario I think that a keeper and at least one central midfielder (hopefully 2) are a must. We have Welbeck to replace Owen while Cleverley should be given a chance to replace Giggs. At least one between Obertan and Bebe should be loaned. They need it.
I wont be surprised if we get a left winger or a left sided full back. I doubt that we would break the bank for them expecially for the left back area were one will be limited to cover Evra adequately.
Hargreaves will not retire Devlish. He has no reason to.
I'm convinced we'd have beaten Barca if he wasn't out.
He's out of contract at the end of the season isn't he? I do wonder what the future has in store for him, I guess we could offer him a similar deal to that that Owen is on if we dont though I cant see who else would take the chance seeing as he's never (ever) fit
He hasn't been playing regular football for years and he'll be a free agent this summer. Who'll going to sign this wreck?
I doubt that we'll give him a contract. Don't forget the 25 player limit
Correct.
his legs dont suit his style of work.
id be surprised if he carried on after the summer if he is not back to fitness,which i very much doubt he will be.
So yeah, he may have a huge reason to retire, the fact that he is in constant battle with his body might be reason for him to say enough is enough!
Kusczak is as good as gone, isn't he. Lindegaard was on the bench instead of him.
I think we might sign a goalkeeper unless Ferguson trusts Lindegaard to replace van der Sar. Kuszczak is as good as gone, funny how he's only ever had one season in his career as no. 1 anywhere - first he was a reserve for Hertha, then a back up for two years at West Brom and their first choice when Hoult got injured, stayed first choice for a year and moved to United to be second/third choice again.
Apart from tha maybe a midfielder or a winger, but I don't expect our net spending to exceed £20m.
Apart from tha maybe a midfielder or a winger, but I don't expect our net spending to exceed £20m.
No chance, a goal keeper good enough to be number 1 for United alone will cost between 15m-20m
A midfielder again will be at least 20m
So if we only sign two players then IMO you're looking at least 50m and we certainly haven't got 30m's worth of players that will be going out
Question;
Should Sunderland put in a 15m bid for Welbeck in the summer should/would United sell?
Since his injury (plus Bent's sale) Sunderland have been struggling and with the Bent money available I'd bet Bruce will want to make the move permanent. I think we'd sell
Should Sunderland put in a 15m bid for Welbeck in the summer should/would United sell?
Since his injury (plus Bent's sale) Sunderland have been struggling and with the Bent money available I'd bet Bruce will want to make the move permanent. I think we'd sell
No and no, why would we sell a homegrown player who is actually local and has shown he can cut it in the Prem as a starter, without ever giving him a full chance at United?