Will Federer Win Another 'Slam'

Of course he can beat him but if you look at it in the long term, right now Murray isn't close to Nadal nor Federer.

In terms of ability no, but psychological advantage, more so over Federer, yes.
 
Yes, Murray was clearly off his game in the US open final but apart from that he has fairly comfortably beaten Federer every time he has palyed him for the last three years.
It is not "in some matches" - Murray has beaten Federer six times out of seven over the last three years. Some of these were huge games; Master semifinals etc. Grand slam finals are not the only big games.

Since Wimbledon last year Murray has performed better than any other player in the world, including Nadal and Federer.

Djokovic is also right up there with the best in the world. He won the Aussie open last year beating Hewitt, Blake and Federer on his way to the final without dropping a set.

Murray was rightfully the bookies favourite to win the Aussie Open this year and was very unlucky to hit Verdasco in the form of his life in the last 16. Remeber that Verdasco only just beat Murray, taking five sets to do so. The same player was then only just beaten by Nadal, again in five sets. In both of these games the players were only seperated by a single point in the overall match stats.

For some (maybe obvious) reasons the public have not too Murray that much and seem not to rate him much as a player. In actuality he is right up there with the best in the world. He is behind Nadal on clay but probably ahead of him on the hard courts. He is clearly better than Federer on hard and indoor courts -they have not yet on clay so it is hard to make a judgement about that.

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:lol: @ Murray wank. All this talk of being the best player in the second half of last season, he did not win any major tournaments and didn't do so in the first of this season either, nor did he lose to a great player.

Last year they only won 6 of the big tournaments between them.

They currently hold the 4 Majors and Olympic Gold Medal between them.

Destroyed in their last three meetings on three different surfaces in Grand Slam finals... Domination.

Extremely harsh there. The French, he was destroyed at, Wimbledon though was one of the greatest and closest matches ever played, and the Aussie also went to 5 and could easily have gone the other way. It's not as though he is killing him off with Treble Bagels in every match.
 
Yes, Murray was clearly off his game in the US open final but apart from that he has fairly comfortably beaten Federer every time he has palyed him for the last three years.
It is not "in some matches" - Murray has beaten Federer six times out of seven over the last three years. Some of these were huge games; Master semifinals etc. Grand slam finals are not the only big games.

Since Wimbledon last year Murray has performed better than any other player in the world, including Nadal and Federer.

Djokovic is also right up there with the best in the world. He won the Aussie open last year beating Hewitt, Blake and Federer on his way to the final without dropping a set.

Murray was rightfully the bookies favourite to win the Aussie Open this year and was very unlucky to hit Verdasco in the form of his life in the last 16. Remeber that Verdasco only just beat Murray, taking five sets to do so. The same player was then only just beaten by Nadal, again in five sets. In both of these games the players were only seperated by a single point in the overall match stats.

For some (maybe obvious) reasons the public have not too Murray that much and seem not to rate him much as a player. In actuality he is right up there with the best in the world. He is behind Nadal on clay but probably ahead of him on the hard courts. He is clearly better than Federer on hard and indoor courts -they have not yet on clay so it is hard to make a judgement about that.

oh yes they are.
 
Yes, Murray was clearly off his game in the US open final but apart from that he has fairly comfortably beaten Federer every time he has palyed him for the last three years.
It is not "in some matches" - Murray has beaten Federer six times out of seven over the last three years. Some of these were huge games; Master semifinals etc. Grand slam finals are not the only big games.

Since Wimbledon last year Murray has performed better than any other player in the world, including Nadal and Federer.

Djokovic is also right up there with the best in the world. He won the Aussie open last year beating Hewitt, Blake and Federer on his way to the final without dropping a set.

Murray was rightfully the bookies favourite to win the Aussie Open this year and was very unlucky to hit Verdasco in the form of his life in the last 16. Remeber that Verdasco only just beat Murray, taking five sets to do so. The same player was then only just beaten by Nadal, again in five sets. In both of these games the players were only seperated by a single point in the overall match stats.

For some (maybe obvious) reasons the public have not too Murray that much and seem not to rate him much as a player. In actuality he is right up there with the best in the world. He is behind Nadal on clay but probably ahead of him on the hard courts. He is clearly better than Federer on hard and indoor courts -they have not yet on clay so it is hard to make a judgement about that.

Everyone hates Murray mate no point in trying to back him :lol:

It doesn't matter that he was playing a huge match over two sets in the semis of the US Open in which he beat the worlds number 1 and was pretty much dead on his feet in the final, that doesn't matter. Beating Nadal in the semi doesn't matter, it's clearly not a big game.

Being physically ill before meeting Verdasco who was playing well well above his normal standard, serving and hitting unbelievably. I actually thought he was going to beat Nadal at some stages too.

But Murrays time will come, his best chance is the US.
 
Federer needs a reality check

My guess he's thought I'm still young'ish' 26 / 27 and I'll get another two slams in the next couple of years before I retire and cement my place as the all time best.


Well ....He won't - because Nadal now has his number on all surfaces and the rising improving Murray will soon also be a large spanner in the works and between the two of them they will stop Federer's march into the record books

imo he desperately needs a coach who can kick his arse out of the comfort zone he's been in for a year and a half (notwithstanding his illness a year ago)

You cant blame him because he's a great great player but one who has, pre Nadal, had it a little easy imo

In the modern game, self motivation after you've 'been there and done it' will fall short eventually and this is what we have now with Fed and he's finding it difficult mentally to stay with players who can natch his speed fitness about court

Seems to me he needs a coach who can instill some anger and passion back into his game - he needs to get a bit more upset about losing to Nadal imo or he'll never get close to him again. Think about it, Nadal although imo not a great great player, will actually get stronger in the next couple of years

Unless Rog can do this imo he'll never get another slam - maybe if Nadal and Murray get injured but outside of that no chance

imo he should pull out of the French and get a coach and his head and arse together spend time preparing for the summer and then assualt Wimbledon with a new vigour as that will probably be his best chance to get slam no 14.
 
I think it's only in the mind that Federer loses it against Nadal... He seems to "give up" a little too early...

Talentwise, I still believe that Federer is better. Federer will win another four or more Slams, I say... I'd say starting with this year's French Open... :nervous:
 
I think it's only in the mind that Federer loses it against Nadal... He seems to "give up" a little too early...

Talentwise, I still believe that Federer is better. Federer will win another four or more Slams, I say... I'd say starting with this year's French Open... :nervous:

That's just silly...
 
I think it's only in the mind that Federer loses it against Nadal... He seems to "give up" a little too early...

Talentwise, I still believe that Federer is better. Federer will win another four or more Slams, I say... I'd say starting with this year's French Open... :nervous:

Very unlikely, but it could happen. No one will give him a chance against Nadal on clay. Might mean he plays freely without any pressure.
 
I think it's only in the mind that Federer loses it against Nadal... He seems to "give up" a little too early...

Talentwise, I still believe that Federer is better. Federer will win another four or more Slams, I say... I'd say starting with this year's French Open... :nervous:

What chance had Nadal would've stood in the wimbledon had he played in the late mid 80's or early 90's? Federer, broke in to the scene when Tennis as a whole was shite with the likes of Kuerten, Moya, Enquist and others as number ones and Henmann touted as a potential Wimbledon champion and he made the most of the draw. The only strong rival so far in his career was Nadal yet he has always been his bunny.

If some one gets twatted by Murray once in a while, he must be really in shite form.
 
What chance had Nadal would've stood in the wimbledon had he played in the late mid 80's or early 90's? Federer, broke in to the scene when Tennis as a whole was shite with the likes of Kuerten, Moya, Enquist and others as number ones and Henmann touted as a potential Wimbledon champion and he made the most of the draw. The only strong rival so far in his career was Nadal yet he has always been his bunny.

If some one gets twatted by Murray once in a while, he must be really in shite form.

Why do you post ?

You havent got a fking clue
 
At this rate he'll win another two between now and next year's Aussie. I think Rafa will regroup and "get his trophy back" at Roland Garros.
 
Federer's record against Nadal is only so bad because Federer is extremely good on clay, but not as good as Nadal, who is considered the best ever on that surface. Federer is always reaching Finals in clay court tournaments, and comes up against Nadal where he gets beat because Nadal is so good. Nadal by contrast, rarely plays Federer in tournaments on Federer's best surfaces, because he normally gets eliminated in the earlier rounds. If Federer was much worse on clay, he'd never play him on that surface because they would both be high seeds, and his record would be a damn sight more respectable.
 
If Nadals body is still fecked then Federer is the big favourite for both Roland Garros and Wimbledon this year as well.


Perhaps this is the year where Federer wins them all?
 
Reading back, the Murray hate was such cringeworthy stuff, I love it.

When he wins one I hope he invades your news stations for months.
 
If Nadals body is still fecked then Federer is the big favourite for both Roland Garros and Wimbledon this year as well.


Perhaps this is the year where Federer wins them all?

Yeah, you have to think at this stage, that the only threat to that at the moment to Federer is injury. Not saying the competition's poor, but that Federer is just awesome.
 
Reading back, the Murray hate was such cringeworthy stuff, I love it.

When he wins one I hope he invades your news stations for months.

He'll win one or two maybe that's about it. He's a glorified version of someone like Hewitt, not a champion like Federer or Nadal.
 
He'll win one or two maybe that's about it. He's a glorified version of someone like Hewitt, not a champion like Federer or Nadal.

Ay but where's the fun in rooting for the best? It's like cheering for Schumie in racing, to me, there's no benefit in cheering for the team or individual that always wins.

I decided to support Murray once the talented Tim Henman (HA) retired, I could very easily have jumped in team Rafa or team Roger but why?

He can be the one to interrupt the dominance, along with a host of other players.
 
Ay but where's the fun in rooting for the best? It's like cheering for Schumie in racing, to me, there's no benefit in cheering for the team or individual that always wins.

I decided to support Murray once the talented Tim Henman (HA) retired, I could very easily have jumped in team Rafa or team Roger but why?

He can be the one to interrupt the dominance, along with a host of other players.
So you don't enjoy supporting United? :smirk:

anyway tennis is an individual sport so it's different from team sports when it comes to support. I want Federer to win because I love watching him play. He's a genius, once in a lifetime player, something that Murray will never be.
 
So you don't enjoy supporting United? :smirk:

anyway tennis is an individual sport so it's different from team sports when it comes to support. I want Federer to win because I love watching him play. He's a genius, once in a lifetime player, something that Murray will never be.

One is not born into being a supporter of an individual athlete :lol:
 
It was that monkey off his back when he broke the record. He can play without pressure and really enjoy himself. He can go on and win many more now, the cnut.

Murray has the monkey on his back of being the first guy in 1500000years with a British passport of actually having a chance of winning one. When he gets that monkey off his back he can go on and win a few.
 
Shame Nadals never been fully fit since Wimbledon 2008, Still think a fully fit Nadal has Federers Number, its a given he owns everyone on clay but i thought his victory over Federer at Wimbledon was a sign of things to come, he took Federers number 1 ranking as well as his title that day, unfortunatly for him since then his knee has become far to problamatic and hes not even close to the level he was at 18 months ago where he was clearly the best player in the world and deservedly ranked number 1.

Has to be serious question marks if he'll ever truly overcome this knee problem sadly.
 
So you don't enjoy supporting United? :smirk:

anyway tennis is an individual sport so it's different from team sports when it comes to support. I want Federer to win because I love watching him play. He's a genius, once in a lifetime player, something that Murray will never be.

I couldn't agree more... Except that I think Murray will probably the best of the current crop once Federer starts seriously declining...
 
Shame Nadals never been fully fit since Wimbledon 2008, Still think a fully fit Nadal has Federers Number, its a given he owns everyone on clay but i thought his victory over Federer at Wimbledon was a sign of things to come, he took Federers number 1 ranking as well as his title that day, unfortunatly for him since then his knee has become far to problamatic and hes not even close to the level he was at 18 months ago where he was clearly the best player in the world and deservedly ranked number 1.

Has to be serious question marks if he'll ever truly overcome this knee problem sadly.

Shame that Federer lost that Roland Garros (2008) so badly (with a 6-0 in the final set) to Nadal after a mononucleosis.

Shame that Federer still carried that sequels of that "humiliation" in his spirit through Wimbledon 2008 and lost a gruelling 5 setter and also carried the humiliation to the Australian of 2009...

No, I'm not one who thinks that Nadal was clearly #1. That has only been Roger's place... I think Nadal got a nice combination of events to help him through #1. And I think it is things falling a little into place with his "knee problems"...

But, yes, I do so wish to see a really good Federer - Nadal game some time soon with both at their best. It would be a truly wonderful game, I think!
 
If Nadals body is still fecked then Federer is the big favourite for both Roland Garros and Wimbledon this year as well.


Perhaps this is the year where Federer wins them all?

I think he's a big favourite for Wimbledon anyways. And he beat Nadal on clay before, so on top form, he might beat Nadal in Paris, who knows
 
Shame that Federer lost that Roland Garros (2008) so badly (with a 6-0 in the final set) to Nadal after a mononucleosis.

Shame that Federer still carried that sequels of that "humiliation" in his spirit through Wimbledon 2008 and lost a gruelling 5 setter and also carried the humiliation to the Australian of 2009...

No, I'm not one who thinks that Nadal was clearly #1. That has only been Roger's place... I think Nadal got a nice combination of events to help him through #1. And I think it is things falling a little into place with his "knee problems"...

But, yes, I do so wish to see a really good Federer - Nadal game some time soon with both at their best. It would be a truly wonderful game, I think!

This. People -Nadal's fans, Anti-Federer- don't recall that Federer was unfit in 2008, yet he reached all the finals that year. When Nadal loses, he's unfit, when Federer loses ,he's not good enough for Nadal!!?? ..yeah right.

They also tend to forget that Federer is 5 years older than Nadal


Btw, Nadal's knee problem that he suffered in AO is not the same tendinitis thing as I read a week ago.. so hopefully he'll be back.
 
Btw, Nadal's knee problem that he suffered in AO is not the same tendinitis thing as I read a week ago.. so hopefully he'll be back.

I was reading an article the other day (feck knows where, the NY Times, perhaps) that said Nadal's team are denying that it's the same injury, but that he was receiving treatment from the tournament doctor for his tendinitis throughout the tournament, and that he was a doubt to play against Murray at one point. They also said that he'd had doubts about playing on the hard court at all, but that he was convinced to by his team.

Not saying all of that is true, but I don't believe for a second that his withdrawl has nothing to do with his tendinitis. He's in trouble with it, I'd wager.
 
This. People -Nadal's fans, Anti-Federer- don't recall that Federer was unfit in 2008, yet he reached all the finals that year. When Nadal loses, he's unfit, when Federer loses ,he's not good enough for Nadal!!?? ..yeah right.
Exactly.

So many people tend to forget that the period where Nadal was at his best was also the period where Federer was at his worst in about seven years, struggling with injuries and the corresponding search for form.

Obviously Federer did (and perhaps still does) have somewhat of a mental problem when he faced Nadal, but it was overblown a lot during that period. People were talking like his era was over.
 
This question has been answered today. Congrats to Roger for finally winning No.18!!! Amazing! Unbelievable even.

I never thought it would be possible at this stage of his career, and to beat Nadal, of all people, that takes some doing considering the psychological advantage Nadal has over Roger especially at the Australian Open (think back to that brutal 2009 AO final).

In Federer's mind, the Nadal demon has well and truly been exorcised!
 
This question has been answered today. Congrats to Roger for finally winning No.18!!! Amazing! Unbelievable even.

I never thought it would be possible at this stage of his career, and to beat Nadal, of all people, that takes some doing considering the psychological advantage Nadal has over Roger especially at the Australian Open (think back to that brutal 2009 AO final).

In Federer's mind, the Nadal demon has well and truly been exorcised!

Is this his first grand slam since 2009?
 
The one thing Fed has going for him is his consistency. Even in the last couple of years he was still getting to GS finals and losing out to Novak who was in the form of his life.

No. 18 against nadal was just the icing on the cake that his career deserves.
 
Is this his first grand slam since 2009?
He won two slams in 2009 after this thread was created. Then won the Australian Open in 2010, Wimbledon in 2012 and now the Australian Open in 2017.