Why United shouldn’t settle so quickly for Poch over Hag

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pocco said:
Is 'agreeing a contract to take over in the summer' a legally binding agreement? Or just like any other agreement that happens in football where the player/club/manager clear off at the first sign of a better offer?
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I mean there a plenty of examples where transfers are done like this. I'm sure with enough digging the same could be found for managerial appointments.

If you believe the press, a deal was agreed with Mourinho in January for him to join in the summer, after Van Gaal.
 
VP89 said:
I think Ten Hag is a very good manager capable of great things. But we can only go by his Dutch achievements which presents a big risk.
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At this point I am not really sure what this means. Big risk of what? Going another year or two without winning the premier league or CL? To be sincere, I am not sure there is a manager in the world that can do that at this club at this moment, club run appallingly bad, while 2 of our rivals having the 2 best managers in the world by far. Ten Hag or Pochetino, won't win anything important unless both of Klopp and Pep leave (which still leaves Tuchel) or someone magically stirs this club in the right direction under this same owners.
 
Managing in the Premier League, especially given the pressure and scrutiny you're under at United, is completely different to what ten Cate has done to date. It's incomparable to managing Ajax. he may have done well but he's been well resourced, comparably speaking. Can he take the step up? Maybe, but it's a big risk.

What I find bizarre is that some fans champion one manager, but are then so desperate to write him off when they perceive he's a failure. The same would apply to this bloke as well and fans would be asking why we didn't go for an elite manager with experience.
 
Womp said:
Their plan was to initially sign an interim, as their statement suggested. We don't need to sign Poch or continue with Carrick, it's not like those are the only two options. There are reports that Rangnick would be happy to take us on as an interim until the end of the season, for example
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Yeah I know. But the board must feel that Poch is the safer bet than any interim (Rangnick or whoever).
 
RedRover said:
Managing in the Premier League, especially given the pressure and scrutiny you're under at United, is completely different to what ten Cate has done to date. It's incomparable to managing Ajax. he may have done well but he's been well resourced, comparably speaking. Can he take the step up? Maybe, but it's a big risk.

What I find bizarre is that some fans champion one manager, but are then so desperate to write him off when they perceive he's a failure. The same would apply to this bloke as well and fans would be asking why we didn't go for an elite manager with experience.
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Funny considering for the money spent and achievements, Ole wasnt under that much pressure and scrutiny I'd say.
 
AjaxCunian said:
Funny considering for the money spent and achievements, Ole wasnt under that much pressure and scrutiny I'd say.
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He finished 2nd with a flawed first xi twice.

This season, where the pressure and scrutiny has risen because of our transfers, he has faltered. For that reason, the new manager will face the same level of expectations. And rightfully so.
 
STaphouse said:
I mean there a plenty of examples where transfers are done like this. I'm sure with enough digging the same could be found for managerial appointments.

If you believe the press, a deal was agreed with Mourinho in January for him to join in the summer, after Van Gaal.
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I get that these agreements do happen, but Jose didn't exactly have other offers. Ten Hag could have most of the top clubs in the world after him soon enough.
 
In a straight choice between the two, I'd prefer Ten Hag.

But there are very tangible benefits to being able to appoint Poch now. We avoid the need for an interim manager entirely, the manager gets an extra six months to work with the team before the start of next season and they even get an extra transfer window in which to potentially address some issues. That's a lot.

If we know Ten Hag is better than Poch would it be worth skipping those benefits and waiting for him? Sure. But we can't actually know he'd be better, as like every manager he comes with his own risks. And while I'd prefer him over Poch and think he's the better bet in a straight choice, I'm not so certain he'd prove to be better that I'd turn down the very concrete benefits bringing Poch in immediately would provide.
 
Pronewbie said:
He finished 2nd with a flawed first xi twice.

This season, where the pressure and scrutiny has risen because of our transfers, he has faltered. For that reason, the new manager will face the same level of expectations. And rightfully so.
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2nd and 3rd. 3rd in a season where he deserved to be sacked by Christmas, and then Bruno saved him massively. Fair play on signing Bruno.

2nd miles from City, and above a crisis Liverpool and Lamparded Chelsea.

No trophies, EL football by failing the group stage. Yet got a contract extension, wooh!
 
Big, big, big mistake. We'll get Pochettino now and win feck all. Pep will leave City and they will get Ten Hag and they will keep on winning trophies.
 
I don't know why people keep getting offended over Poch being called a bottler.

In 12 years of management, his single trophy is a French cup.

He also managed to lose a one horse race with a team that costs more than twice that of any opponent.

And let's not forget spoiling Spurs only chance of ever winning the PL.

Top this off with a board that doesn't know a football is round, and I don't see this one turning out great.

(He will at least improve the viewing experience, though.)
 
pocco said:
I get that these agreements do happen, but Jose didn't exactly have other offers. Ten Hag could have most of the top clubs in the world after him soon enough.
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Yeah, it takes all parties to agree to it but it can be done.

But if Ten Hag doesn't want to commit to something life this, the best solution is to get Poch now.
 
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Botim said:
I don't know why people keep getting offended over Poch being called a bottler.

In 12 years of management, his single trophy is a French cup.

He also managed to lose a one horse race with a team that costs more than twice that of any opponent.

And let's not forget spoiling Spurs only chance of ever winning the PL.

Top this off with a board that doesn't know a football is round, and I don't see this one turning out great.

(He will at least improve the viewing experience, though.)
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"Spoiling Spurs chance of ever winning the PL"

Jesus talk about being a victim of your own success.

Ten Hag has achieved less in his career than De Boar and bottled the biggest game of his life against Pochettino.
 
AjaxCunian said:
2nd and 3rd. 3rd in a season where he deserved to be sacked by Christmas, and then Bruno saved him massively. Fair play on signing Bruno.

2nd miles from City, and above a crisis Liverpool and Lamparded Chelsea.

No trophies, EL football by failing the group stage. Yet got a contract extension, wooh!
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"miles from city"

8 points actually. Or 6 draws. Better than Mourinho's greatest achievement of his life... finishing 2nd and 19 points behind City
 
AjaxCunian said:
2nd and 3rd. 3rd in a season where he deserved to be sacked by Christmas, and then Bruno saved him massively. Fair play on signing Bruno.

2nd miles from City, and above a crisis Liverpool and Lamparded Chelsea.

No trophies, EL football by failing the group stage. Yet got a contract extension, wooh!
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Yes but most United fans did not expect the title, or to challenge for it. It was a rebuilding phase and there was some progress. We are maybe too patient and nice. The EL final loss was seriously alarming though and I'm sure most fans were unpleasantly surprised by the 3 year contract extension.
 
mu4c_20le said:
"miles from city"

8 points actually. Or 6 draws. Better than Mourinho's greatest achievement of his life... finishing 2nd and 19 points behind City
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12 points, in a season where City wasnt great. Mourinho's best points haul was never achieved by Ole.
 
Pronewbie said:
Yes but most United fans did not expect the title, or challenge for it. It was a rebuilding phase. We are maybe too patient and nice. The EL final loss was seriously alarming though and I'm sure most fans were unpleasantly surprised by the 3 year contract extension.
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The poor standard of football throughout, lack of quality of our competitors who were also rebuilding or going through challenges, no trophies, European failure makes that Ole did quite a poor job. 3rd and 2nd without context isnt bad, although he completely bottled top 4 after he signed his interim contract.

Quite a lot of fans were happy with the extension actually, which blows my mind. Much wiser to give him till Christmas and see what he would achieve, renew if he does well, let him go (in the summer) if not.
 
Another thread to bash Pochettino. We have 26 PL games to play for and 4th place to fight for. But yes let's waste this season with an interim and put all our chips on ETH accepting our EL project. If he is available, Pochettino is a no brainer. His work with minimal net spends at Spurs and a miserly arse like Levy as boss was nothing short of miraculous. Give him our squad and financial power and see what he can do.
 
There is a lot of Ten Hag experts on here considering I barely ever see the Eredivisie mentioned here.
 
AjaxCunian said:
The poor standard of football throughout, lack of quality of our competitors who were also rebuilding or going through challenges, no trophies, European failure makes that Ole did quite a poor job. 3rd and 2nd without context isnt bad, although he completely bottled top 4 after he signed his interim contract.

Quite a lot of fans were happy with the extension actually, which blows my mind. Much wiser to give him till Christmas and see what he would achieve, renew if he does well, let him go (in the summer) if not.
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Lack of quality of our competitors!? That would be the numerous record breaking Liverpool and City sides of the last couple of seasons would it!? That were the only sides to finish above Oles United in either of his full seasons.

Of all the stuff that has been said about Ole in the past few years thats unbelievable, record points totals, remarkable goalscoring statistics, record breaking winning runs, multiple titles and a champions league winning side 'lack quality' apparently.

Ole has been sacked and quite rightly but our competitors never lacked quality FFS
 
JPB said:
Big, big, big mistake. We'll get Pochettino now and win feck all. Pep will leave City and they will get Ten Hag and they will keep on winning trophies.
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Based on what exactly? You’re also just assuming that he’d even want to come to United, for all you we could wait all season and he’d tell us to feck off.
 
Longshanks said:
Lack of quality of our competitors!? That would be the numerous record breaking Liverpool and City sides of the last couple of seasons would it!? That were the only sides to finish above Oles United in either of his full seasons.

Of all the stuff that has been said about Ole in the past few years thats unbelievable, record points totals, remarkable goalscoring statistics, record breaking winning runs, multiple titles and a champions league winning side 'lack quality' apparently.

Ole has been sacked and quite rightly but our competitors never lacked quality FFS
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I mean Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea then ofcourse. City and Liverpool were great, last seasons being their worst.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
"Spoiling Spurs chance of ever winning the PL"

Jesus talk about being a victim of your own success.

Ten Hag has achieved less in his career than De Boar and bottled the biggest game of his life against Pochettino.
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I saw both of their Ajax records somewhere the other day. They've both had almost the same amount of games but De Boer had double as many defeats and double as many draws. Also ask some actual Ajax fans on here about Ten Hag and De Boer. I'm sure everyone will say Ten hag is miles better and plays way more attractive football than De Boer.
 
Jazz said:
All of this.

Poch is also thin skinned. Couldn't handle any small criticism at Spurs without getting defensive. How on earth is he going to be at United? Plus not the greatest with transfers.
Not a good idea at all.
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He also said trophies don't matter
 
OverratedOpinion said:
"Spoiling Spurs chance of ever winning the PL"

Jesus talk about being a victim of your own success.
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So you don't agree the Leicester season was their best shot at a title in the last 20 or so years? He did well up to a certain point, but always seemed to stumble towards the finish line.

Here are some quotes from the last pages on the PSG forum:

Damn, Heinze - Pochettino, that could become a legendary duo of failures
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I still can't believe we replaced one of the world's best coaches with this muppet
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(getting Poch for Tuchel) ... was like replacing Zlatan with Jesé and Thiago Silva with a one legged Ramos
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Rockets Redglare said:
Based on what exactly? You’re also just assuming that he’d even want to come to United, for all you we could wait all season and he’d tell us to feck off.
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Give him a kings fecking ransom. Pay him whatever he wants double. We've wasted loads of money on shit players over the years. Spend the money on someone decent for once. He has the potential to be the best manager in the world. We have to risk it and pay whatever we need to get him.
 
Botim said:
He also managed to lose a one horse race with a team that costs more than twice that of any opponent.
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Yet managed more points per game than Tuchel with the same squad, and a points per game total that over the full season was enough to win the league.

So Tuchel by any measure is more at fault and the manager that lost the one horse race. What does that tell us about Tuchel?

And turning his CL final run into a negative is some impressive spin.
 
Ten Hag is the better coach in my view and I think his way of playing is better if we want a more attacking style of play.

Having said that, I’m not insinuating that Poch is a bad coach at all and is certainly a good appointment who will make us hard to beat and instill a proper style of play that will make us competitive.
 
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