I think it’s because we were so shit.
Why isn't there a bigger deal being made of the unprecedented Højlund-Rodri penalty?
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Last year these referee clowns fawned over themselves to proclaim that Arsenal's disallowed goal at old trafford was a huge VAR mistake and the Asrsenal player should not have been penalised for a foul on Erkisen. Now you have Dermot Gallagher proclaiming the city pen on Sunday was definitely a foul on Rodri and not a VAR mistake.
Now, watching both instances, it's pretty obvious that Odegaard's foul on Eriksen was much more of a 'foul' than Hojlund's powderfpuff arm on Rodri. Odegaard kicked through the back of Eriksen's standing leg; Hojlund swiped across Rodri who went with his momentum into a ridiculous pirouette.
Do you reckon we'll hear anything about misapplication of VAR because no clear and obvious error?
It's always nice for them to have United examples to hang their hats on.
Now, watching both instances, it's pretty obvious that Odegaard's foul on Eriksen was much more of a 'foul' than Hojlund's powderfpuff arm on Rodri. Odegaard kicked through the back of Eriksen's standing leg; Hojlund swiped across Rodri who went with his momentum into a ridiculous pirouette.
Do you reckon we'll hear anything about misapplication of VAR because no clear and obvious error?
It's always nice for them to have United examples to hang their hats on.
Wasn't M Oliver the ref that didn't send Kovacic off for a clear 2nd yellow the other week, and he's being paid double his annual salary to ref games in the UAE..? #conflictofinterest
What exactly is unprecedented about it?
1) It wasn't unprecedented.
2) We were so comprehensively beaten that nobody thinks it actually impacted the result.
3) United and Ten Hag being in trouble is the most compelling narrative emerging from the game, so that dominates attention and coverage. If we were otherwise doing well they wouldn't have that to speak about and the penalty call might get more attention instead.
2) We were so comprehensively beaten that nobody thinks it actually impacted the result.
3) United and Ten Hag being in trouble is the most compelling narrative emerging from the game, so that dominates attention and coverage. If we were otherwise doing well they wouldn't have that to speak about and the penalty call might get more attention instead.
I was referring to the Bruno winner in January 2023 derby game.
Ah, my bad.
The second half was so bad, we practically gifted them an opportunity to ignore it.
Of course it shouldn't be ignored, but Fernandes running around like an idiot trying and failing to kick people for the last 10 minutes was always likely to generate more headlines than the ridiculous pen.
Of course it shouldn't be ignored, but Fernandes running around like an idiot trying and failing to kick people for the last 10 minutes was always likely to generate more headlines than the ridiculous pen.
On 1) give me another example from any VAR season that was similar?
I don't think it's Blue Moon ish when it's just a fact he gets paid - you would assume it's quite well - directly by your owners to ref games there. Even forgetting the game and this thread title, surely you can agree he should not ref City's games given this took place? Even if he is a man of the highest integrity, the conflict of interest is undeniably there.
To be Blue Moon ish I would start to reference a growing section of Serie A fans who are starting to say this is what they all thought when Juve were getting everything go their way. I don't think we're there yet, as corrupt as City are, but there are some simple things that the PL should just ensure doesnt happen - one of those is the refs who get paid by Saudi or UAE (fair enough if they want to make a lot of money) can't officiate the matches with the affiliated clubs. It's such a small step it's odd it hasn't happened.
Yellow
And moments later... not a yellow.
Nothing to see here. We have investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong.
And lets not forget:
Stayed on the pitch
Sent off
Dude has always been suspect around City.
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Yellow
And moments later... not a yellow.
Nothing to see here. We have investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong.
And lets not forget:
Stayed on the pitch
Sent off
Dude has always been suspect around City.
Tend to find fans of wee clubs have United PTSD and are absolute ABUs (see Jenas). Most fans, including Liverpool, cheered on the rise of City as a means to ending United's dominance.
Not as far as separate incidents in a vacuum are concerned but the fact that a PL team had at least a several of refs on their book is straight up corruption.
I'm not even going to talk about Oliver being a Newcastle fan as a conflict of interest because all refs are fans of some team and you can't forbid referees from anything more than reffing their own teams if you're realistically going to staff all the matches.
Oliver being the VAR ref was just as much bullshit and as serious as when England and Cook messed up the Liverpool goal mere hours after getting paid by City.
It's disappointing and could not give a single shit If it comes across as sour grapes to other fans. This disappoints me with ETH, he has every right and SHOULD make a fuss of this situation in the same way Pep and Klopp would do and the club SHOULD back him if he's fined by the FA. As soon as they kick off, amazingly they get more of the 50/50 decisions.
End of the day the two Hojlund instances were the same scenario one was reviewed by VAR one was not. The FA and Webb should be brought to task on quite obvious bias.
End of the day the two Hojlund instances were the same scenario one was reviewed by VAR one was not. The FA and Webb should be brought to task on quite obvious bias.
Moaning about this is sound on the merits but is insignificant considering the larger context of the match itself and the season. And, to be honest, the last decade of humiliation.
Feed the goat
Anyway if you look at the penalty you were awarded you will see two City players purposely foul two United players….Stones on Maguire and Gvardiol on Rashford. If you also rewatch the Haaland Maguire incident you will notice it starts with both players holding each other. It’s not nearly as much of a foul when both players start off fouling each other than either of the two fouls on United players, ignored in the penalty you got. Yet it’s more of a foul than the one on Rodri!
Then factor in that the ref gave nothing….What would absolutely be normal in 99.99% of cases would be for VAR to do feck all and not get involved because it’s not an error, there’s two other incidents even more deliberate and affecting the outcome just the same as the same time this is happening. Why are all three not flagged up ?
I’d have been shocked if the REF had given a penalty for that, which is really the point here.
What is VAR doing getting involved in something that refs wave away multiple times every game, that VAR never intervenes for?
As for the Bruno goal, I’m pretty sure it was clear at the time that the goal correctly stood as per the rule at the time. I don’t think goals like that should stand but as it was it was correctly given at the time. You may not like it, nor would I but it was the rule and not the goal that was the issue.
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It was clearly the absolute game changer, yet people are acting as if it's irrelevant because we lost 3-0.
If we'd have got that decision we'd have never heard the end of it.
If we'd have got that decision we'd have never heard the end of it.
It was a horrible penalty, but we were so shit that no one cares. Even if the penalty rightfully got overturned and Rodri got a yellow card for diving I still feel we would lose the game. Terrible decisions only becomes a big deal if they end up playing a part in the end result. Liverpool's comical offside goal vs Spurs is a big deal because it could've changed the outcome of the game not because of a conspiracy like many here think.
There is no point. That is why ETH said "No comment". VAR has consistently screwed us over this season. It definintely played a huge part in costing us.
I think you miss the point that players are allowed to stand their ground to block another player from moving past them (in the same way a player might shield the ball, deliberately preventing another player from stopping it from going out of play, but wherever they are on the pitch and regardless of what they’re trying to achieve, if a player is already past them they certainly aren’t allowed to grab them from behind and pull them back.
You see fouls given for that in every game as players often pull other players back to stop a break developing.
I agree that you do sometimes see them not given, in the same way that many other offences get missed, but hold that the decision was entirely correct in accordance with the rules and I also don’t think that it had any effect whatsoever on the outcome of the game.
IMO this is a weird thread as the topic could have been chewed over in the post match thread so having a crybaby thread to on here to specifically whinge & blabber about it is uncomfortably dipperish . .
. . although if you were scousers rather than mancs you’d have also organised a petition, held a candle lit vigil around the grave of the dead chicken and announced yourselves a republic with a self supporting economy built solely on the proceeds of signing on while working for cash on the side & thieving from your family & neighbours.
I get that it was soft but in the context of ridiculous or suspect VAR decisions this season alone it isn't even on the radar. I've seen penalties given for similar before. I'm pretty sure we've had them. One of those where you can have a moan, but at the end of the day if none of our players fouled anyone, nothing would have happened.
I'm much more confused for example about why Romero was allowed to act as a second goalkeeper against Man Utd but not against Arsenal.
Also,in the context of the game, yes it was a big moment, but we lost 3-0 and our goalkeeper was arguably our best player, and the turning point was half time and our tactical change more than anything else. If it decided the game in the 90th minute and we'd been competitive up until that point I'd probably have been much more angry.
I'm much more confused for example about why Romero was allowed to act as a second goalkeeper against Man Utd but not against Arsenal.
Also,in the context of the game, yes it was a big moment, but we lost 3-0 and our goalkeeper was arguably our best player, and the turning point was half time and our tactical change more than anything else. If it decided the game in the 90th minute and we'd been competitive up until that point I'd probably have been much more angry.
Blocking with movement (what Gvardiol did) is not allowed in football. Gvardiol was not standing still. He was trying to stop Rashford's movement by using his hands and body as obstacles.
A soft penalty that may or may not have changed the outcome of the match.
That said, we used to be the top dog that got those soft penalties before, and it sucks beeing in the recieving end.
Do i think it would have changed the outcome of this match?
Probably not.
We just need to get back to beeing top dog, but thats easier said than done with this squad.
That said, we used to be the top dog that got those soft penalties before, and it sucks beeing in the recieving end.
Do i think it would have changed the outcome of this match?
Probably not.
We just need to get back to beeing top dog, but thats easier said than done with this squad.
I just didn’t think it was really a foul, but if Hojlund was smarter it could’ve been. The fact is, these rarely get given but if he’d have gotten his body in front of the defender and shielded the ball, there’s no way he can make a challenge without giving a pen and getting sent off. That’ll come as he learns his trade, but as for why there’s no outcry about it - it’s not even the worst VAR decision in that game, never mind that weekend.
I agree.
It was soft, but had it been Rodri holding Hojland down the other end and it wasn't given, the same posers would be up in arms.
The Romero handbal that was waved away was ridiculous. A goal there and a possible away win at Spurs could have made a massive difference to our season.
But then again, we had many other chances in that first half.
Just watching the game back a bit and when you watch the scene in real time again focusing on Hojlund and Rodri it is actually a rather clear foul and penalty. We can have no complaints there.
Apart from the general very straighforward fact that referees working in the PL can not be earning money in UAE and Saudi simultaneously when those two states own PL clubs, period. It is just a breach of integrity, even if I do not claim the individuals are corrupt. A bigger deal should absolutely be made of that, not particularly of the penalty which simply was not a wrong decision.
Apart from the general very straighforward fact that referees working in the PL can not be earning money in UAE and Saudi simultaneously when those two states own PL clubs, period. It is just a breach of integrity, even if I do not claim the individuals are corrupt. A bigger deal should absolutely be made of that, not particularly of the penalty which simply was not a wrong decision.
Blocking ‘with movement’ is exactly what players do when shielding a ball that’s going out of play and that ‘using your body (with movement) to occupy space to prevent another player passing you’ thing, well it looks a bit rough & tumble but that’s allowed.
That ‘pulling back a player who’s got past you already and is heading towards your goal’ thing, that thing that must be in contention for the footballing offence that gets the most yellow cards, that thing where players on the break get grabbed at and the yellow card comes out so often that we all know it’s going to happen the moment we see the arm snatching at the passing player’ well that’s not allowed is it?
That blocking of Rashford. Not a foul.
That pulling back of the city player. It’s a foul and we know this because we see it week in and week out, it’s probably the most consistently penalised offence, so howling about a referee enforcing it is ludicrous. It’s the act of a sore loser grasping at straws and, as a fellow football supporter, I ask you to kindly desist in your madness because you’re putting us all to shame.
You should watch football mate, it only takes a few seasons to get a grasp of it, you’ll get the drift in no time ;-)
We know the answer. We've been on the receiving end of some truly scandalous decisions as we are the easiest big club in the world right now that it's very easy to rule against. The same Michael Oliver allowed City's blatantly offside goal v Fulham, didn't send off Kovacic, and then awarded that penalty. What will happen? Nothing. What would happen had he awarded United the same decisions? He would be a meme. Probably suspended a week. All over the internet as Riley and Webb once were.
There are simply different rules for United, and when a bad decision goes against us, the fans of 91 other clubs largely love it.
Remember that controversial Bruno goal we scored against City in the 2:1 last season?
Well the officials needed to even that out I guess
Well the officials needed to even that out I guess
Different rules for United and different rules for the teams on top (Man City/Liverpool). They will try their best through the media/pundits/ex-refs to convince the public any decision that goes against us is the right one. We used to
To be fair, people were saying the Hojlund one was soft but that it was a foul. The point is that this same situation happens in nearly every game that has a set piece/corner routine involved, and the refs don't give it unless it's an assault on the player.
To be fair, people were saying the Hojlund one was soft but that it was a foul. The point is that this same situation happens in nearly every game that has a set piece/corner routine involved, and the refs don't give it unless it's an assault on the player.
What's the point of having Gallagher on.
This is absolutely ridiculous. He makes the point that it's not always given but a few weeks ago claimed the Arsenal wasn't a penalty and it's just the defender behind stronger
That’s actually comedy gold
United player being rugby tackled “needs to be stronger”
City player gets a light tug “you can’t be grabbing players like that”
Apples and oranges what you are reffering to. From FA rules " A player may shield the ball by taking a position between an opponent and the ball if the ball is within playing distance and the opponent is not held off with the arms or body. If the ball is within playing distance, the player may be fairly charged by an opponent. ". Rodri used his hands. And the ball was not on the ground.
And btw you should give up football if you are already watching it for a couple of seasons. Because you have no grasp of it
https://x.com/skysportspl/status/1718956505599529246?s=61&t=ZvGzfV2Qafn11jKrPfufuA
If you get chance to watch it, it’s not just shoving and blocking (like every game, as you say), looks like a pre planned move… could be wrong.
It‘s like a basic NFL play for a running back… one player pushes left, one right and gap created for the running back.
Gvardiol blocks Rashford one way, Stones blocks Maguire the other and creates a gap for Rodri… who runs along the line and into the gap (which he presumably knows is coming).
Apples and oranges what you are reffering to. From FA rules " A player may shield the ball by taking a position between an opponent and the ball if the ball is within playing distance and the opponent is not held off with the arms or body. If the ball is within playing distance, the player may be fairly charged by an opponent. ". Rodri used his hands. And the ball was not on the ground.
And btw you should give up football if you are already watching it for a couple of seasons. Because you have no grasp of it
rodri used his hands?
Yes my surreal friend, Rodri did use his hands, he threw them up into the air when he was pulled back by a player he’d given the slip to, and he got an easy penalty for it because it was quite obviously a foul in the penalty area.
Doh!
Edit: And anyhow, what kind of limp arsed supporter goes off at a tangent to argue with a supporter of a club they’d never heard of about something they didn’t have a scooby about . . .
Ah, that must be you . .
and yes I’m pointing my pointy finger at your quivering brow but no I’m not the big pointy finger of fortune that appears in the lottery “just do it it’s good to gamble, adverts.
Nope, I’m not as important or as grand as that, I’m just an ordinary bloke who’s sussed you out . . like everyone else you ever knew but maybe a bit quicker eh?
PS. And no I’m not proud of myself, I don’t think I’m clever or whatever. Everyone’ll get you soonish because you’re see-through mate ;-(
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Meant Gvardiol obviously. Of course you didnt answer but keep on trying on how to have a conversation. It will only take you a few years (maybe decades in your case). But eventually you ll have a grasp!