Why isn't there a bigger deal being made of the unprecedented Højlund-Rodri penalty?

Martial said:
That penalty being given by VAR was the biggest turning point in the match, and it was over something that occurs in almost every single set-piece in history, and multiple times in the same match.

The fact it was a VAR decision from Michael Oliver which favoured City, who conveniently also works for UAE, should be the absolute focus of the aftermath.

Why isn't there a bigger deal being made of this?
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I haven't read other posts here but I'm sure others have made the point that I'm about to make -- the unjust pk simply didn't matter. We were never on top of City and there was no moment in the game where any one of us could possibly have thought to ourselves "Fukking hell, we might just get a point out of this match." We did acquit ourselves well until the unjust pk but in truth we were hanging on at best.

The pk decision itself was shite but in the grand scheme of things it's just not worth moaning about.
 
lex talionis said:
I haven't read other posts here but I'm sure others have made the point that I'm about to make -- the unjust pk simply didn't matter. We were never on top of City and there was no moment in the game where any one of us could possibly have thought to ourselves "Fukking hell, we might just get a point out of this match." We did acquit ourselves well until the unjust pk but in truth we were hanging on at best.

The pk decision itself was shite but in the grand scheme of things it's just not worth moaning about.
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Yep. The same reason not that much of a fuss was made of Kovacic not being sent off against Arsenal. Arsenal won, so it didn’t end up affecting the result. It shouldn’t be like that, but it is.

Also (and I know this will be an unpopular opinion) it was a foul in the box where the defender made no attempt to play the ball. Is it annoying that to be penalised for something that is often overlooked? Yes. Is it a soft penalty call? Yes. But the idea that it’s one of the worst decisions of the season seems pretty wide of the mark.

There’s no need for Hojland to give VAR a decision to make. It’s a harsh interpretation of the law, but not an unfair one.

It’s made all the more baffling by Maguire’s later tussle with Haaland being completely ignored. That was far more of a penalty than Hojland’s.
 
lex talionis said:
I haven't read other posts here but I'm sure others have made the point that I'm about to make -- the unjust pk simply didn't matter. We were never on top of City and there was no moment in the game where any one of us could possibly have thought to ourselves "Fukking hell, we might just get a point out of this match." We did acquit ourselves well until the unjust pk but in truth we were hanging on at best.

The pk decision itself was shite but in the grand scheme of things it's just not worth moaning about.
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That's a fair point. But if it was the other way around and united got that penalty and we miraculously won 1-0. It would be talked about until the next derby and even during the derby and then some. The whole world would be questioning this grave injustice
 
Velvet Revolver said:
That's a fair point. But if it was the other way around and united got that penalty and we miraculously won 1-0. It would be talked about until the next derby and even during the derby and then some. The whole world would be questioning this grave injustice
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Without question. While we're on the topic, the foul that was committed by Stones on Hojlund was a stone cold pk (if he was in the box and I can't recall now whether he was). Hojlund had the ball, unlike Rodri, and was in a scoring position. It was a foul, and if not in the box then a free kick, and Stones should have been sent off with a straight red.

But no call.

Why? Great teams get the calls their way and shit teams don't get these calls. That's just the way it is, regardless of the sport. It's not a bias toward City thing, but a bias toward the stronger team on the pitch. Rodri undeniably threw himself to the ground and got the call. Hojlund played through the same pull of the body and didn't get the call. You earn those calls on reputation and Rodri has earned that reputation and Hojlund has not.

But not a word about this by the fukked up British media who only want to write stories flogging United, though most of it is deserved.
 
It makes me so pissed off when I look at what Hojlund did to Rodri and compare it to what Gabriel did to Hojlund at the Emirates.

Ones softer than the other. Boggles my mind how differently they were judged.
 
ToToMarshall said:
The reason the penalty was given was because Rodri may have got to the ball and Hojlund potentially impeded him from playing the ball, which may have resulted in a shot on goal. Hojlund was also never getting to the ball, and never going for the ball, the only action he made was to pull Rodri back.

Gvardiol and Rashford’s tussle was inconsequential as far as the initial ball coming in was concerned.

I’m not presenting this like it’s something I agree with, I’m just giving what the reason was.
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I am not sure this is how it works. Otherwise you would see punches all over the place, albeit far from the ball, because nobody would get punished.
 
led_scholes said:
I am not sure this is how it works. Otherwise you would see punches all over the place, albeit far from the ball, because nobody would get punished.
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Punches would be violent conduct no matter whats going on. And bringing the game into disrepute. Holding an arm around an opponent's midsection isnt violent. But it is a foul if its used to influence whether someone running away from you is going to get on the end of a cross.
 
At the end of the day we are still poor and still likely to lose.

However considering we seem to be mentally weak it really does us dirty when we keep repeatedly getting shafted by the refs and VAR.

As others have said there's still a huge chance we'd lose against a superior side anyway but I would like to see us not get done over at key times so often.
 
The Hilton said:
The fact that Oliver is paid by the state that owns City is a huge conflict of interest, it should never be allowed. Forget the penalty for a minute, why is a ref with such a close financial relationship with the regime that owns a club in the league allowed to officiate, or hold any kind of position?
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What position does Oliver hold?
 
Ekeke said:
Punches would be violent conduct no matter whats going on. And bringing the game into disrepute. Holding an arm around an opponent's midsection isnt violent. But it is a foul if its used to influence whether someone running away from you is going to get on the end of a cross.
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Again I doubt there is a rule that says that you can push someone anywhere on the field and cannot be considered deliberate, thus a foul.

Also, did VAR used physics to decide that Rashford can't reach the ball? He was just before them.
 
ToToMarshall said:
The reason the penalty was given was because Rodri may have got to the ball and Hojlund potentially impeded him from playing the ball, which may have resulted in a shot on goal. Hojlund was also never getting to the ball, and never going for the ball, the only action he made was to pull Rodri back.

Gvardiol and Rashford’s tussle was inconsequential as far as the initial ball coming in was concerned.

I’m not presenting this like it’s something I agree with, I’m just giving what the reason was.
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Rodri was never getting to the ball. The cross was beyond his reach even if he was running free.
 
Outside of worldcup, I rarely see faults like these get called tbf, let alone review it after 5 minutes. Same goes for Onana's fault earlier this season, see plenty of times, rarely given. Not saying it's a bad call, "by the book" these are probably correct but as said above, we rarely see them result in a pen.
If these are "clear and obvious errors" kind of mistakes, we should see VAR call it every week but we just don't. These kind of fault ain't even hard to distinct between them, "is there clear contact, is it late?" then it's a fault, they are all the same.
One should ask what is the point of VAR if they can't even decide on "clear & obvious error" part consistently. This is not human error anymore, just agenda
 
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lex talionis said:
Without question. While we're on the topic, the foul that was committed by Stones on Hojlund was a stone cold pk (if he was in the box and I can't recall now whether he was). Hojlund had the ball, unlike Rodri, and was in a scoring position. It was a foul, and if not in the box then a free kick, and Stones should have been sent off with a straight red.

But no call.

Why? Great teams get the calls their way and shit teams don't get these calls. That's just the way it is, regardless of the sport. It's not a bias toward City thing, but a bias toward the stronger team on the pitch. Rodri undeniably threw himself to the ground and got the call. Hojlund played through the same pull of the body and didn't get the call. You earn those calls on reputation and Rodri has earned that reputation and Hojlund has not.

But not a word about this by the fukked up British media who only want to write stories flogging United, though most of it is deserved.
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The only way to get around it is to consistently call this BS out. It's not pretty, but unless the whole united org constantly moans about this in the media nothing remotely will be done. Look at how Klopp and Pep moan and call things out when it's not going their way. I dont know why our managers become softies. This whole 'better man' philosophy is not getting us anywhere.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Do you not think it was a very strange example of the ref going to the pitch side monitor?
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Yes but only strange because they don't do their job most weeks. Equally strange that they just ignored the stonewall pen in the second half when Maguire held on to Haaland for dear life
 
FeedTheGoat said:
Yes but only strange because they don't do their job most weeks. Equally strange that they just ignored the stonewall pen in the second half when Maguire held on to Haaland for dear life
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The latter just makes it even more suspect. It’s like they knew it was wrong. The fact they are crap every week doesn’t the change the fact it’s basically unprecedented to go to the monitor for something so weak.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
The latter just makes it even more suspect. It’s like they knew it was wrong. The fact they are crap every week doesn’t the change the fact it’s basically unprecedented to go to the monitor for something so weak.
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If there is any conspiracy here it is that they maybe had the horrible decision for Bruno's goal last year in mind. Either way, it's a clear pen and I hope (all though I know they won't) they start sending refs to the monitor for them weekly.

With that being said inconsistency with the usage of VAR is nothing new
 
FeedTheGoat said:
If there is any conspiracy here it is that they maybe had the horrible decision for Bruno's goal last year in mind. Either way, it's a clear pen and I hope (all though I know they won't) they start sending refs to the monitor for them weekly.

With that being said inconsistency with the usage of VAR is nothing new
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Oliver has Saudi and UAE links but yet he's only banned from reffing Newcastle... it was a bizarre use of VAR the more you think of it, why wasn't Tierney asked to go and look at the monitor when Antony should have had a cast iron red card? Once the result was done, did Oliver just turn off his monitors and put his feet up?

There's clearly a gulf in quality between the teams but Oliver already has some question marks with not sending Kova off the other day, now he's using the pitch side monitor for something that happens probably about ten times a game. Easy solution is not to ref your games from now on.
 
That link from the Swedish Rumble above shows that Dermot Gallagher is an utterly dishonest clown.
 
FeedTheGoat said:
If there is any conspiracy here it is that they maybe had the horrible decision for Bruno's goal last year in mind. Either way, it's a clear pen and I hope (all though I know they won't) they start sending refs to the monitor for them weekly.

With that being said inconsistency with the usage of VAR is nothing new
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The rule is crap and poorly worded but the Bruno goal was correctly awarded in January. There has to be actual interference, defined as physical impediment by an offside player. The defenders didn't play to the whistle and assumed the offside. Strange set of circumstances but the goal was correctly awarded (by the rules) and the reaction afterwards was peculiar to say the least.
 
Because we are shite, and it was a penalty, and it’s inconsequential anyway.
 
Garnacho's Shoelaces said:
The rule is crap and poorly worded but the Bruno goal was correctly awarded in January. There has to be actual interference, defined as physical impediment by an offside player. The defenders didn't play to the whistle and assumed the offside. Strange set of circumstances but the goal was correctly awarded (by the rules) and the reaction afterwards was peculiar to say the least.
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If Rashford isn't there a City player gets to the ball. The defenders did play to the whistle, including Ederson that positioned himself for a Rashford shot. That is physical impediment and it was in no way correctly awarded. If you disagree I think you might have to take another look at it. It is also a good example in a thread like this because the outrage after that situation told you all you need to know just how ridiculous out of touch that decision was. The lack of a outrage after Sunday is because even though most felt that it was harsh given how these situations gets handled (me included) it was a clear pen so there really isn't anything to really discuss, but I do understand it is infuriating when it goes against you when it won't others.

I'll also add if my memory serves me correctly Onana got booked for his antics during the pen and continued to mouth off so if they really wanted to shaft United then they should have at least taken everything presented to them. Including the most obvious foul of the year from Maguire in the 2nd half inside the penalty box when they already set the precedent


tomaldinho1 said:
Oliver has Saudi and UAE links but yet he's only banned from reffing Newcastle... it was a bizarre use of VAR the more you think of it, why wasn't Tierney asked to go and look at the monitor when Antony should have had a cast iron red card? Once the result was done, did Oliver just turn off his monitors and put his feet up?

There's clearly a gulf in quality between the teams but Oliver already has some question marks with not sending Kova off the other day, now he's using the pitch side monitor for something that happens probably about ten times a game. Easy solution is not to ref your games from now on.
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I see what you mean but it really isn't anything ground breaking that refs sees results as a way to avoid having to make big decisions.

I know nothing about the Oliver's UAE links but that is what I mean with vague Blue-moon-ish stuff. Put it this way, most City fans dislike Oliver.
 
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Martial said:
That penalty being given by VAR was the biggest turning point in the match, and it was over something that occurs in almost every single set-piece in history, and multiple times in the same match.

The fact it was a VAR decision from Michael Oliver which favoured City, who conveniently also works for UAE, should be the absolute focus of the aftermath.

Why isn't there a bigger deal being made of this?
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If only we had a lion like SAF in the dugout instead of a wet napkin.
 
I was sleeping for the match and watched highlights the next day without commentary and couldn't figure out what it was for

by the end of the highlights it didn't seem worth whinging about to anyone
 
What's the point of having Gallagher on.

This is absolutely ridiculous. He makes the point that it's not always given but a few weeks ago claimed the Arsenal wasn't a penalty and it's just the defender behind stronger :lol:

 
The officiating across the League is getting worse by the week. Just a continuous stream of errors week after week. VAR. is not helping the game at all & while I realize we are stuck with it needs to be improved.
 
Withnail said:
What's the point of having Gallagher on.

This is absolutely ridiculous. He makes the point that it's not always given but a few weeks ago claimed the Arsenal wasn't a penalty and it's just the defender behind stronger :lol:

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Of course...he also claimed that the Romero handball was not a penalty when we lost to Spurs, but there was a really similar situation in another match which they correctly awarded a penalty for according to Mr. Gallagher. He's probably another one whose life was ruined by Fergie for 20 years, now he's blinded by hatred...astronomical bellend.
 
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FeedTheGoat said:
If there is any conspiracy here it is that they maybe had the horrible decision for Bruno's goal last year in mind. Either way, it's a clear pen and I hope (all though I know they won't) they start sending refs to the monitor for them weekly.

With that being said inconsistency with the usage of VAR is nothing new
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Bruno's goal was legit, mate. Even Webbs admitted so. in fact you didnt hear any ref disagree with it. A weird goal but by the book it was legit one. Blame people who made rule book
 
It shouldn't have been given, but it didn't matter in the end. Rodri's embellishment of the contact should result in a no-call there.
 
Martial said:
That penalty being given by VAR was the biggest turning point in the match, and it was over something that occurs in almost every single set-piece in history, and multiple times in the same match.

The fact it was a VAR decision from Michael Oliver which favoured City, who conveniently also works for UAE, should be the absolute focus of the aftermath.

Why isn't there a bigger deal being made of this?
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If it was an even game and that penalty decided it, may be.

But the match was just a slaughter. If anything, City pitied us from the penalty and only kept the scoreline at 3, which flattered us.
 
I'll accept as a new precedent but it has to be called consistently now. That means probably 5-10 more penalties per game which isn't going to happen.

Edit: Maguire actually did something far more egregious against Stones(?) and it wasn't looked at so there's inconsistency within games as well.
 
Velvet Revolver said:
The only way to get around it is to consistently call this BS out. It's not pretty, but unless the whole united org constantly moans about this in the media nothing remotely will be done. Look at how Klopp and Pep moan and call things out when it's not going their way. I dont know why our managers become softies. This whole 'better man' philosophy is not getting us anywhere.
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Totally agree with this. We've been the 'nice' club for far too long. Klopp plays pantomine anytime his team are hard done by (and that Spurs decision WAS ridiculous) and then they get the benefit of the doubt. One simply does not get soft penalties at Anfield. It used to be like that OT.

It's part of ETH's job. Shifting media narrative is part of the role of a modern manager. And he's definitely failing there. If I were him I would have been ready after the match for that. "If it's a foul on Rodri, it's not a foul on Hojland? It's like the Romero handball - for Arsenal is handball, for Manchester United, not handball. I think maybe, I don't know, referees are scared of how the media treat Manchester United but referees should be stronger than that. All we want is equal treatment, and we don't receive that this year." and hell, if it was still Jose, I'd fully expect an extra "I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but I heard the VAR referee was just over with Manchester City's owners. Maybe that shouldn't be allowed?"

Done. There are your headlines. Also shifts the blame away from himself.
 
FeedTheGoat said:
If Rashford isn't there a City player gets to the ball. The defenders did play to the whistle, including Ederson that positioned himself for a Rashford shot. That is physical impediment and it was in no way correctly awarded. If you disagree I think you might have to take another look at it. It is also a good example in a thread like this because the outrage after that situation told you all you need to know just how ridiculous out of touch that decision was. The lack of a outrage after Sunday is because even though most felt that it was harsh given how these situations gets handled (me included) it was a clear pen so there really isn't anything to really discuss, but I do understand it is infuriating when it goes against you when it won't others.

I'll also add if my memory serves me correctly Onana got booked for his antics during the pen and continued to mouth off so if they really wanted to shaft United then they should have at least taken everything presented to them. Including the most obvious foul of the year from Maguire in the 2nd half inside the penalty box when they already set the precedent




I see what you mean but it really isn't anything ground breaking that refs sees results as a way to avoid having to make big decisions.

I know nothing about the Oliver's UAE links but that is what I mean with vague Blue-moon-ish stuff. Put it this way, most City fans dislike Oliver.
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The decision was correct. The rules were correctly interpreted. Your issue is with that particular rule but you would rather make it about the decision.
 
I’m glad nobody is making a big deal as I wouldn’t want our poor performances papered over
 
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