Why is Richard Arnold getting a free pass from the fans?

Adnan said:
I don't need to defend Murtough to you, because if you had a basic understanding of football or how a DoF structure worked, you wouldn't come out with half the nonsense that you come out with on this forum.

And I'm not sure who you're referring to when it comes to Haaland. Because I was speaking about his talent when he was 17, on this forum.

And Haaland not being signed by Woodward due to a reported release clause he and his team wanted inserted in a potential contract, is very different to signing Gakpo who is a left sided player, when we already have several players occupying that role.
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:lol: . You write long posts, I give you that. Shame every time you 'explain' to us how these things work, we end up with another example of us being a laughing stock and your whole storytelling ends up being a whole load of nothing.

Although I'm sure when Murtough and the gang get binned off if we do get an actual ambitious owner, you'll be back telling how it all makes sense, Fabbie Romano style.
 
phelans shorts said:
Oh wow these reactions. Imagine if it were a player we actually needed
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We don't need attackers who can play striker in the busiest season ever? If this forum did sour grapes (insert Carlsberg theme)
 
Rightnr said:
:lol: . You write long posts, I give you that. Shame every time you 'explain' to us how these things work, we end up with another example of us being a laughing stock and your whole storytelling ends up being a whole load of nothing.

Although I'm sure when Murtough and the gang get binned off if we do get an actual ambitious owner, you'll be back telling how it all makes sense, Fabbie Romano style.
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Your entire existence on this forum revolves around talking about things you have little to no knowledge about.

Whether it's Murtough or someone else, I'll still be here educating you.
 
Rightnr said:
We don't need attackers who can play striker in the busiest season ever? If this forum did sour grapes (insert Carlsberg theme)
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Can he play striker though? He was bobbins at the World Cup and even then wasn’t actually as a striker, but the closest he’s been to it.

Just being tall on top of scoring a few out wide doesn’t mean you can play striker.
 
Rightnr said:
We don't need attackers who can play striker in the busiest season ever? If this forum did sour grapes (insert Carlsberg theme)
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How many times has he played as a striker for PSV this season?

We do need a striker, and it'll be annoying if we don't get one in January. But that shouldn't be conflated with Liverpool signing Gakpo. We need specialists, not players who are signed just because we can.
 
Rightnr said:
We don't need attackers who can play striker in the busiest season ever? If this forum did sour grapes (insert Carlsberg theme)
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Probably be a better idea to sign a striker than a left winger if we need a striker, wouldn’t it?
 
phelans shorts said:
Can he play striker though? He was bobbins at the World Cup and even then wasn’t actually as a striker, but the closest he’s been to it.

Just being tall on top of scoring a few out wide doesn’t mean you can play striker.
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My impression is he is seen as the same profile as Rashford. Versatile in a front three and can step in when we have injuries.

In any case, I am not worried about this guy in particular but what missing out on him means for the window. He was as close to a slam dunk given our lack of depth and except for Felix, who is else is left that's genuine quality to help us compete for that top 4?
 
Well done to him on avoiding signing one of the most overrated players since Andrei Arshavin and simultaneously driving up the cost for one of our biggest top-4 rivals.
 
Adnan said:
I don't need to defend Murtough to you, because if you had a basic understanding of football or how a DoF structure worked, you wouldn't come out with half the nonsense that you come out with on this forum.

And I'm not sure who you're referring to when it comes to Haaland. Because I was speaking about his talent when he was 17, on this forum.

And Haaland not being signed by Woodward due to a reported release clause he and his team wanted inserted in a potential contract, is very different to signing Gakpo who is a left sided player, when we already have several players occupying that role.
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The club is set to be sold in few months time because of financial issues. At this point I very much doubt that Murtough or Arnold has any say.
 
devilish said:
The club is set to be sold in few months time because of financial issues. At this point I very much doubt that Murtough or Arnold has any say.
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That probably is the case as far as how much money can be spent. But not signing Gakpo is a good decision considering he's a left sided forward.

I think what is being reported below is possibly what a club in our situation will do.

 
Adnan said:
That probably is the case as far as how much money can be spent. But not signing Gakpo is a good decision considering he's a left sided forward.

I think what is being reported below is possibly what a club in our situation will do.

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On paper you are probably right. However I wouldn't underestimate ETH's vision. Last summer I was one of many supporters who was scatching our heads at the prospect of us signing midget CBs and a Brazilian RW for 100m. Turned out that i ended with one hell of an egg on the face.

That's irrelevant though. As said before, with months away from being sold I very much doubt that the likes of Arnold, ETH or Murtough have alot of say on transfer matters. New owners might not be happy being saddled with more debt from players they might not want. As Simon Stone said we probably going for loans instead
 
devilish said:
On paper you are probably right. However I wouldn't underestimate ETH's vision. Last summer I was one of many supporters who was scatching our heads at the prospect of us signing midget CBs and a Brazilian RW for 100m. Turned out that i ended with one hell of an egg on the face.

That's irrelevant though. As said before, with months away from being sold I very much doubt that the likes of Arnold, ETH or Murtough have alot of say on transfer matters. New owners might not be happy being saddled with more debt from players they might not want. As Simon Stone said we probably going for loans instead
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I agree with what you're saying and would've liked to have seen Gakpo signed in the summer window. But I think the emergence of Garnacho has likely surprised ten Hag and we've decided to develop him instead of signing Gakpo for the €60m (inc add ons) Liverpool are reportedly paying for him.

I agree with your second paragraph completely. I think the current situation is going to dictate proceedings until the club is hopefully sold. And until we have owners who have the ambition to challenge on all fronts, we will play second fiddle to Man City, Chelsea and Newcastle in the not too distant future.
 
Him and his sidekick need to keep out of Erik's way unless they want "The Hairdryer"
 
Gakpo going elsewhere isn't a big deal, it happens and I'm not convinced he would have added all that, but I am curious how we will expect to challenge for the CL with only Rashford and Martial as options to play as a central striker.

The handling of the Ronaldo situation in the summer was farcical and has left us looking short on numbers now.
 
padzilla said:
Gakpo going elsewhere isn't a big deal, it happens and I'm not convinced he would have added all that, but I am curious how we will expect to challenge for the CL with only Rashford and Martial as options to play as a central striker.

The handling of the Ronaldo situation in the summer was farcical and has left us looking short on numbers now.
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Hopefully this is last farcical January window
 
padzilla said:
Gakpo going elsewhere isn't a big deal, it happens and I'm not convinced he would have added all that, but I am curious how we will expect to challenge for the CL with only Rashford and Martial as options to play as a central striker.

The handling of the Ronaldo situation in the summer was farcical and has left us looking short on numbers now.
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I think we are going for Felix or Depay on loan. Thus they won't burden the new owners with the cost of an investment they might not want
 
Felix will come with an obligatory condition to buy, thus, it seems unlikely to me. Depay? Who knows, could be a possibility, but Barca might prefer a sale. The second half of the season will be really tough to finish top 4, if we do not invest in January.
 
Rightnr said:
We don't need attackers who can play striker in the busiest season ever? If this forum did sour grapes (insert Carlsberg theme)
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We desperately need a striker - not a LW who can do a job, we already have Rashford, Garnacho, Sancho, Elanga for that.
Don't get how people are disappointed that we didn't get another LW - that's our most stacked position
 
Glorio said:
We desperately need a striker - not a LW who can do a job, we already have Rashford, Garnacho, Sancho, Elanga for that.
Don't get how people are disappointed that we didn't get another LW - that's our most stacked position
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I think ETH just wants numbers across the front three. A proper striker would be ideal but they're a lot harder to get in right now.

Even the players you mentioned - Elanga just isn't good enough, Sancho is MIA and Rashford will likely be needed to cover for Martial up top whenever he gets injured next. And we'll probably be having three games a week until the season ends.

ETH also seemed to show an interest in Gapko before signing Antony and they both play on opposite wings. So it's possible he thinks Gapko could develop into a player who can play more than just LW.
 
devilish said:
I think we are going for Felix or Depay on loan. Thus they won't burden the new owners with the cost of an investment they might not want
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We aren't going for Depay and Felix isn't very likely.
 
The reaction to this really shows that the club simply cannot please everyone. We all know the club has been too scattered in their transfers previously, signing players because they’re available, rather than thinking about where they fit in the team. This would have been another classic case of that.

I’m not saying the Glazers aren’t penny pinching, but seen as we filled three key positions in the summer at a huge price, we need to trust that the club is moving in the right direction. Years of mishandling it are not going to be fixed in one season.

Hopefully we can find a stop gap till summer to help out Martial, because it’s doubtful that any of our long terms options will be available in January.
 
Idxomer said:
We aren't going for Depay and Felix isn't very likely.
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We will be targeting players on a free/on loan. There aren't many decent players around on those conditions
 
Not a fan of him but we burned one billion pounds in last 10 years exactly because we "backed" managers without common sense. Manager just can't get every single player which he wants. Gakpo would be stupid signing and IF it was Arnold who said no, then he did the right thing.
 
Rightnr said:
We don't need attackers who can play striker in the busiest season ever? If this forum did sour grapes (insert Carlsberg theme)
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I mean yeah..

Let’s use the transfer money for January in December on a player who might be able to play central from time to time..

As opposed to actually, you know, get a player who is a centre forward.
 
Don't rate either Arnold or Murtough. Haven't since the scattergun summer we experienced both have shown themselves inept and lacking in their responsibilities.

Hopefully when the sale is facilitated there will be a restructuring in the hierarchy which is very likely. 99% of the clubs failures has not only come from poor management via coaching but those who are assigned in executive level positions.
 
Not excusing the way the club is run but I wasn't enthralled at the idea of signing Gapko. All of our forwards are already ones who either play from the win or naturally drift out wide.

I think we could do with one more but we much more urgently need a CF, and also more urgently need another reliable CB, central midfielder and probably right back. The question marks over what's going on with Sancho might bump up the priority a bit but as it stands we have Rashford, Antony, Sancho and Garnacho. Any more and players are going to be struggling to get games, so it's only really worth getting a wide player if they are better than any of them.

Where as basically any decent centre forward would offer a much bigger improvement as it would free up Rashford to not have to fill in every time Martial bends his leg slightly too much, and would allow us more options formation/system/tactics wise.

The fact we're in this situation with a CF now when it was obvious all through the summer to everyone on earth that Ronaldo wanted to leave and wouldn't suit Ten Hag anyway, is a different matter. Although we did (eventually) sign 5 players who have all made an important improvement and actually fit around the manager we have, which is still more than what happened with any transfer window under Woodward.

Frosty said:
Was Haaland ever going to join us, or did we just not make the effort to see?
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I'm sure there were direct quotes from Haaland about the club basically dicking about, and quotes from Ole that basically confirmed we were hung up on a release clause...which made no fecking sense since we haven't won a league or CL in nearly a decade so aren't in any position to play hardball with players who have the ambition/ability to compete at that level.

Don't think the two situations are comparable as Haaland at a cut price was a no brainer even if we'd only have had him for a few years. Gapko if you look at where we need to strengthen, is arguably just throwing away transfer resources that we might need for more important signings.

(Of course when we're 2 games into next season and still negotiating over how to not sign De Jong and being linked with resigning Chicharito, I'll amend my view).

It's also going to hack me off much more if/when Liverpool get Bellingham.
 
Vapor trail said:
Don't rate either Arnold or Murtough. Haven't since the scattergun summer we experienced both have shown themselves inept and lacking in their responsibilities.

Hopefully when the sale is facilitated there will be a restructuring in the hierarchy which is very likely. 99% of the clubs failures has not only come from poor management via coaching but those who are assigned in executive level positions.
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Absolutely. The pair have been operating under the Glazers/Woodward for years and we’re both actually appointed by them.

These positions are more important than the manager and even the players and they continue to preside over poor decision making. The sooner they are gone the better
 
I still can't believe a well known poster on here heralded Murtough for his work. I then went and looked at his resume and cringed at the post as Murtough should be at a Championship club, not United.
 
I’m loving my life said:
Absolutely. The pair have been operating under the Glazers/Woodward for years and we’re both actually appointed by them.

These positions are more important than the manager and even the players and they continue to preside over poor decision making. The sooner they are gone the better
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Agreed
 
Rightnr said:
We don't need attackers who can play striker in the busiest season ever? If this forum did sour grapes (insert Carlsberg theme)
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We need world class striker. Natural striker. We have 5 (7 if you include Diallo and Elanga) inside forwards. Spending 50 mil on more depth while in need of striker, would be just stupid.
I wouldn't mind it IF that inside forward is world class player who is better than what we have. But Gakpo is not that.

And how many games anyway Gakpo played as a striker? We need a striker who plays as a striker.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
We need world class striker. Natural striker. We have 5 (7 if you include Diallo and Elanga) inside forwards. Spending 50 mil on more depth while in need of striker, would be just stupid.
I wouldn't mind it IF that inside forward is world class player who is better than what we have. But Gakpo is not that.

And how many games anyway Gakpo played as a striker? We need a striker who plays as a striker.
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We're not buying a world class striker in Jan and maybe even not in the summer because there's barely any of those at a decently young age.

And if we don't have depth for the second half of this season, we're throwing away top 4 and with that, money and ability to attract top talent in the summer.

Nkunku would have been awesome but even he's gone pre-order style and we'll end up having to do an Arsenal to be able to make CL through the league.
 
Water Melon said:
Felix will come with an obligatory condition to buy, thus, it seems unlikely to me. Depay? Who knows, could be a possibility, but Barca might prefer a sale. The second half of the season will be really tough to finish top 4, if we do not invest in January.
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No it hasn’t at first it was an option to buy & now it is neither.


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Everything about the Gakpo situation points to us deciding not to make an offer because we haven't got the finances to bring him in and also bring in a natural striker on top of him. I'd assume the calculation made was that it was too risky to clear out the budget on Gakpo and just hope that he comes good up front, which I think is actually quite sensible on our part.

I'm really just not sure what people want Arnold or Murtough to do in this scenario. Do we just say "well, we're still not sure about Gakpo but the manager wants him so we can't possibly let him go to Liverpool"? That doesn't sound like a sound transfer strategy to me. If the money isn't available to fill any gaps in the squad in January then the blame lies with the Glazers, not with Arnold or Murtough.

Maybe it seems I'm being too lenient on the two of them here, but thus far we've had one transfer window with them in charge and it resulted in four high-performing first team players being signed. It's too early to call it a definite success, and we may have spent over the odds for Antony, but it's hardly the failure that some people make it seem either.
 
Rightnr said:
We don't need attackers who can play striker in the busiest season ever? If this forum did sour grapes (insert Carlsberg theme)
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He’ll do well at pool but he isn’t the type of ‘attacker’ we need. We already have 3 decent players in his best position.
 
pascell said:
I still can't believe a well known poster on here heralded Murtough for his work. I then went and looked at his resume and cringed at the post as Murtough should be at a Championship club, not United.
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If you're going to have an unnecessary dig at someone, at least tag them. Am I correct in thinking you're talking about @Adnan? Because a lot of the forum know who you're most likely talking about and a lot of people respect their knowledge on Murtough.

Funny how a lot of people jump on the Edwards from Liverpool train and would love him here, but Edwards was no where near as qualified for the job as Murtough was and also had his own fair share of dud signings and poor start. Give Murtough a break, you're only digging him out now because we missed out on Gakpo. No one even knows if we were seriously in for him and now we're all throwing our toys out the pram because we didn't get a player that a very large portion of the forum didn't even want!

Now we're not getting him everything is a shambles. It's fecking pathetic.
 
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