Yeah he's definitely not the worst player on the pitch at the moment, its just so obvious he wasn't what we needed in midfield, especially with Pogba already there. Incredibly frustrating.
Why did we buy Fred?
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Pretty much. Lukaku also looks like he gives half a shit, it’s just a shame he’s actual shit.
If it was true Guardiola wanted him surely he saw something? There is no way Fred’s poor passing would have been accepted by Guardiola.
We have done our usual, bought a player then used him completely different to his game. He isn’t a defensive midfielder but that’s exactly the role he has now. It’s the same throughout our squad.
Looks a completely different player in Europe (against PSG and to a lesser extent Barca). Just seems to get overwhelmed by the intensity of the league.
I really didn’t understand the signing, let alone the transfer fee, because you could see by watching any video of him that he’s weak, slow, erratic and has a bad touch for a player of his position. And Shaktar didn’t really succeed in Europe during his time (compared with the previous generation), nor was he the absolute stand-out player in that team.
“ At least he’s trying “
A sad reflection of times at Utd.
A sad reflection of times at Utd.
Sell him for half the price and move on
Same reason we got Sanchez, because City wanted him.
He works well with McTominay. With Matic he is doing the running for both of them + Pogba. Just like when we expect Pogba to run the midfield on its own, it doesn't work.
He is good enough, im sure of that.
Can we add "the feck" to the title?
I like his effort but gives the ball away far too much for a top team.
He gives away the ball a lot of the time but some of the passes were not his fault. I just don’t understand why the players needs the ball to the feet, how hard would it be to move a bit.
The biggest issue with our team is that they are not willing to receive the call when they are on the move. We are too slow and predictable.
The biggest issue with our team is that they are not willing to receive the call when they are on the move. We are too slow and predictable.
He is not a DM
Bebe-esque performance.
I honestly doubt he's better than Jordy Clasie.
Not sure what his best quality is.
Crap in the build up, crap at retaining possession. Very poor awareness and positioning. Crap decision making...
Crap in the build up, crap at retaining possession. Very poor awareness and positioning. Crap decision making...
As with 90% of our signings in the last six years, we bought him because he was quite good at his last club, but he promptly turned to shit when he arrived here. I don't know how many times in a row this has to happen before people realize there's something fundamentally wrong at the club and those players were actually fine. Bonus points if we then sell him on and he becomes good all of a sudden.
My biggest issues with the team for years. Our off the ball movement is shocking. We play like a netball team.
He’s got the same problem as Martial. To arrogant and sloppy. It’s his first season in England, he’s been used in a role that doesn’t suit him, he’s probably lacking form and the whole team is playing bad BUT if United doesn’t miraculously start playing possession football next season he should be sold ASAP.
Agree. We are the easier team to defend against, just cut the pass. The players don’t move to make the pass or even attempt to retain the ball if it’s not passed to the feet.
I have seen so many times where the city players didn’t pass the ball at the feet but run on to the ball.
I pissed myself when I heard city were in for him, I really wanted it to be true.
Then I stopped laughing.
Mourinho got hammered for not playing the likes of Fred. He seems to be vindicated with a lot of these players. Pity his man management & tactics were so poor.
Well why the hell did Mourinho buy him then!
Mourinho is such a genius, really knew how to use Fred.
I said he was nowhere near good enough on his transfer thread based on what I had seen. Disappointingly, he has done nothing to prove me wrong since.
He wasn't actually that bad tonight, just to point out. Not even the worst performance from a United midfielder in the last 5 days and unlike either Herrera or Matic in other recent derbies, he actually had the guts to try and pick a forward pass rather than just dick around with the ball or lump it up the pitch to nowhere.
Don't let that stop the over the top sillyness though
Don't let that stop the over the top sillyness though
Did he really cost £50 million?
Because he agreed to buy him
Ole is having to work around Mourinho's set up for the season and his squad
Where's the old Zombie passing thread, that was legendary. Pretty sure it was under Fergie!
This. Mctominay allows Fred to play football and they both work hard for the team. Until the end of the season i would have them both as starters.
Because Pep wanted Fred, just like Pep wanted Sanchez, Mou would do anything to get one up on Pep, too bad he can't do it in the league.
I bet he'd look good in Pep's set up
If his teammates would’ve shown for the ball more he wouldn't have given the ball away so much.
Am I doing it right ?
It's his first season, came from a different league, give him a chance to settle.
Takes time for some players to settle in a different team a different environment, remember how long it took,
Andy Cole
Rvn
Ronaldo
took a season or 2 to really get going, some players can hit the ground running some it takes a little time.
Takes time for some players to settle in a different team a different environment, remember how long it took,
Andy Cole
Rvn
Ronaldo
took a season or 2 to really get going, some players can hit the ground running some it takes a little time.
He probably will, and I still think and hope Fred will be a success here, he looks a bit careless but I really like how progressive he is with the pass.
We live in this parallel reality where people feel Mourinho is vindicated for not using shit players but not liable for buying them in the first place.
Same as when people backed him regarding the CB situation last summer, conveniently forgetting that he signed 2 of them (Bailly, Lindelof) and renewed a 3rd (Rojo) during his reign.
The “players are shit” excuse doesn’t wash when you’ve had 3 summer windows and 400m expenditure to fix it, yet you spunked it all away.
Below average. One of the worst passers of the ball. He tries hard but he’s just not good enough. Another poor signing
I agree in principle but RVN hit the ground running in the first game.
At Shakhtar, he was the tempo setter in a 4231 next to an anchor man. As well as being the dictator, he had the dynamism to press well and win possession back.
It seems that he likes to get on the ball, and wants to be the player to start our attacks, but he is very rash with his passing. Can't fault his effort and mentality because he doesn't hide, but he's not quite the passing midfielder we needed.
I wouldn't get rid next season because I think instead of using him as a deeplying playmaker, we should use him as a ball winner. Like I said, although his passing is rash, he presses well and wins the ball back quite often.
Obviously, this means we then need to have a deeplying playmaker next to him - someone who can set the tempo. Pjanic, Kroos, Verratti, Rakitic, etc.
Not sure I would start him next season, and I think we need a minimum of two midfielders with Herrera possibly leaving, but he could remain a squad player and like Lindelof, we can only hope that he settles well next season.
It seems that he likes to get on the ball, and wants to be the player to start our attacks, but he is very rash with his passing. Can't fault his effort and mentality because he doesn't hide, but he's not quite the passing midfielder we needed.
I wouldn't get rid next season because I think instead of using him as a deeplying playmaker, we should use him as a ball winner. Like I said, although his passing is rash, he presses well and wins the ball back quite often.
Obviously, this means we then need to have a deeplying playmaker next to him - someone who can set the tempo. Pjanic, Kroos, Verratti, Rakitic, etc.
Not sure I would start him next season, and I think we need a minimum of two midfielders with Herrera possibly leaving, but he could remain a squad player and like Lindelof, we can only hope that he settles well next season.
In fairness to him, he has done well in the last couple of months, which is definitely better than a lost cause. Can be sloppy with his touch and passing at times though, hopefully he can cut that out.
Has he though? He's been okay at best overall. I'm all for giving new players time, but what he's shown so far, even if he has improved recently is nowhere near good enough for a United player.