Numerous reasons to why he isn't playing yet.
Main ones being:
Mourinho not being backed in the market
Pogba
Martial
Fred has downed tools
Main ones being:
Mourinho not being backed in the market
Pogba
Martial
Fred has downed tools
Why did we buy Fred?
- Thread starter Josep Dowling
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He was never a top level signing to be fair, playing in a shite league. What was he? £50m? You have to pay more than that for genuine top level quality now. Same with Bailly, Lindelof and others. Look how Liverpool went out and paid £75m for the actual right player, VVD. That looks value now. Spending less on these players is false economy and you end up wasting more money in the long run.
C'mon I would assume if you were prepared to cough up 50 mill for a player you would have looked at the level of the players you already have and come to the conclusion he is a better option regardless of tactics and therefore we should be using him. Let's not complicate matters. Simple as that!
how do you know fred was signed to start every game and not as a squad option? especially given that he has immediately taken a squad role? same question for lindelof
I think Ed has already reached that point tbf.
As others have said, he deserves time. He's done more than Fabinho, that's for sure.
It's obvious. We got rid of Mkhitaryan and Jose needs to shun a player he signed in order to feel good about himself.
He should be starting for us. He had one bad performance and has not featured since. The good outweighs the bad.
He should be starting for us. He had one bad performance and has not featured since. The good outweighs the bad.
I found him underwhelming in every performance for us thus far tbh. Don't think he earns a spot on the starting XI ahead of what we have just yet.
Guess you haven't taken a look at Keita's minutes then
Agreed. It's longer than ideal. But to write him off immediately would be foolish. Look at Salah. His first year in the premier league was poor relative to last year.
In answer to your question: How many of the following mf players McTominay, Herrera, Mata, Fellaini, Matic would you value at 50 mill?
Don’t remember him singing Mangala. Bernardo plays plenty same for Stones and Mahrez. Both started against Liverpool. The rest are cheap buys and he never signed Bony I’m pretty sure of it.
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Because it's fun to keep throwing piles of cash about without any real plan. That's the new United way
You’re missing the point. 8 games into a season, we should have a plan before the beginning of the season.
Why buy a player for £50m if he doesn’t fit into your tactics?
Lindelöf isn't even good enough to be squad player!
who pep? im talking about the idea that someone costs x and has to go into starting 11. city dont care about that at the 30-60m level. that is where we are competing
I’m not writing the player off, I’m questioning why a club would pay £50m for a player and not give him a proper chance before benching him.
He's not going to get the feel of the English game sitting on the bench. What's the worst that can happen? We're already in 9th place FFS!!!
How much of a say do you really think Jose has in transfers? I'm sure he has his shortlist but it's obvious our transfers are broadly a shit show for 3 managers.
Fred never struck me as a Jose sort of midfielder and he may well come good but I'm not surprised he's struggling to get a look in right now.
Competing? I can’t remember Real Madrid and Barcelona wasting 30-60m on players to keep on the bench. The players you mentioned that a current manager brought play if not every week every other week and are key players. We keep buying players and benching them.
he looked a class above Henderson and Milner when he finally came on today, even in just 20 mins or so, so maybe now finally Kloppo will start playing him more. Henderson is a dreadful player, he can't cope with any team that attempts to press.
Anyway, Fred, I wish I had some knowledge of what he was like before to go on, but I can safely say I didn't see him play much! But it really isn't a massively unusual thing that he isn't playing now, it becomes a bigger deal if he isn't part of the team later in the season. Be interesting to see how he works his way back into contention.
Yes Woodward brought Fred. He went from Schneiderlin to Fred. The guy that knows nothing about football; thinks Varane is the best CB in world football but always scouts the market for players like Fred.
Do you know how stupid this sounds. All our players have been approved by the current managers at the club
Why the feck can't we just buy players, slot them into the team and get results for money spent. How many more 50 mill aquisitions are we taking on board as "squad players" Can't we just admit we're shit on the transfer market!
Emphasizing his price-tag is a bit pointless. He was bought for 50 mil into a league where Benteke went for 40 and Sigurdsson for 45. Times have changed, you're not going to buy a figo or a zidane for 50 mil anymore.
Patience people, Jose is going to switch back to 4-2-3-1 with Fred and Pogba, behind a front three, Dalot coming in on the right. Fred will be Jose's Essien.
Come on, everybody thought Fred would free The Pogba, admit it.
One of the main reasons he isn't playing in my opinion is his height (or lack thereof). The team is shambolic on set pieces and only one of the back 4 is good in the air. For that reason, Jose tries to load up his deeper midfield roles with taller players, which Fred isn't.
If they had another tall physical player next to Smalling and someone like Fosu Mensah at right back, he would probably play more.
It is an utterly ludicrous situation and shows a shocking lack of squad planning but that seems to be the case to me.
If they had another tall physical player next to Smalling and someone like Fosu Mensah at right back, he would probably play more.
It is an utterly ludicrous situation and shows a shocking lack of squad planning but that seems to be the case to me.
Who said its purely about fecking tactics? Players have to fit in too. Stop making everything about Jose for feck sake. Do you think he is just leaving him out for shits and giggles?
Complete nonsense. Pogba was at fault for first Chelsea goal and he is one of the biggest players we have.
Lets assume real football is like FM, simple as that.
Give him a chance. We've been doing terribly, he's not in vogue with the manager at the moment.
Let's write off a player new to the league after 2 months. How often do you see a player with limited preseason start well in a new team, new league and new country? He was also recovering from injury?
I want to see us signing players that are up and running right off the bat but let us apply context to each situation and not be too hasty in judgement.
Just a reminder, Luka Modric was voted the worst signing in Spain for 2012/13. Some people are slow starters.
I want to see us signing players that are up and running right off the bat but let us apply context to each situation and not be too hasty in judgement.
Just a reminder, Luka Modric was voted the worst signing in Spain for 2012/13. Some people are slow starters.
Yes and he is a non natural defender picking up one of Chelsea's best headers from set pieces because of his height and because there is nobody better.
Did you hear Jose's press conference? He mentioned the team's lack of aerial prowess without Fellaini in the team.
What a brain fart I had there, I was thinking we bought him from CSKA Moscow
What I meant stands even more then, the Ukrainian league is worse than the Russian. Wouldn’t actually be surprised if Fred doesn’t get to the levels we need.
Looking good in a few CL games a season then all season in the Ukrainian league shouldn’t warrant the £50m that was paid.
Now that I think about it, imagine paying £50m for a player in Ukraine. Only we would do that haha.
Because he gave Ed a good bj... I’m drunk
Fred is still in his first half season with us.
If only Fred got the backing Maureen's other signings Pogba, Lukaku, Matic and Sanchez are getting despite dishing out dross every week.
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He's not a DM that much is clear from watching him this season. He's played very few games as a defensive midfielder in his career. Playing in a midfield 2 doesn't makes you a holding midfielder either.
50 is the new 10.