I'd have said yes without hesitation except that he hasnt been involved at all for some time . Is it because he's been given compassionate leave to be with the newborn or something?
Why did we buy Fred?
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I'd have said yes without hesitation except that he hasnt been involved at all for some time . Is it because he's been given compassionate leave to be with the newborn or something?
Jose....honest manager?
Love how when someone wants to make their point of view, they dismiss what Ole says that doesn't support their argument as a lie yet everything else becomes is true. It's funny how people equate time on the pitch to how much a manager rates players and this simply isn't true. You telling me when Pogba and Martial was sat on the bench, Jose didn't rate him? You telling me when Scott started in front of him, he rated him higher?
Fred situation is the same as players like Rom, Sanchez and others sat on the bench where immediately the focus is on why they are starting and we forget the players that are, are playing really well. Whilst Ole has messed around with CB pairings, the midfield 3 has pretty much been left along and rightly so because they have been superb.
I honestly think Ole didn't think it would be going so well and his plans to even give youth team players the opportunity for game time has been sidelined for now.
I'm no Fred fan boy and barely watched him aside from CL games but for me I try to be balanced and at least make my judgement on a player once I've had enough time to watch him play. I dismiss the Jose era will all the players as the toxicity of that time it was almost impossible to play under. I'll be interested to see how Fred plays when he gets his chance cause he will do....
I think it will be Pereira or McTominay that will come in when Pogba is out.
I think the problem is we don't know why Jose bought him. Jose clearly liked Scott, Matic and even Fellaini but he must have been told he would play as I'm sure that he never came to sit on the bench at that time. Nothing standstill in football for long, injured in training before WC, didn't feature during it. Came into Utd at one of the most toxic periods in the club for decades with a power dynamic being played out between Jose and some of the players. No doubt struggled like most to come to terms with this league, style of play etc and personal stuff like having your first child which some of us can be emphatic about who have worked in a different country. It takes time to adjust irrespective of how much they are playing you.
Jose's gone and in principle all the players are starting from a clean slate which most have embraced. I genuinely think Ole didn't think it would go so well and now we are in the top 4 and navigated Arsenal and Chelsea in the cup, there are players that are undroppable once fit. The 3 midfielders are, aside from bit parts of players coming on late in games. Not sure them getting 5- 10mins at the end of a game indicates any pecking order.
I don't expect Fred to start cause there are 3 others currently better than him. No different that any other of the top teams with millions of pounds on the bench inc us in Rom and Sanchez who have only currently started due to injuries.....
Jose's gone and in principle all the players are starting from a clean slate which most have embraced. I genuinely think Ole didn't think it would go so well and now we are in the top 4 and navigated Arsenal and Chelsea in the cup, there are players that are undroppable once fit. The 3 midfielders are, aside from bit parts of players coming on late in games. Not sure them getting 5- 10mins at the end of a game indicates any pecking order.
I don't expect Fred to start cause there are 3 others currently better than him. No different that any other of the top teams with millions of pounds on the bench inc us in Rom and Sanchez who have only currently started due to injuries.....
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I don't judge players by their pace; I see his other qualities and clearly he is playing better under Ole because he is a good distributor but a massive issue for our defence under Jose was the lack of movement ahead of him meaning he took too many touches and slowed our game down so our attacks were easy to defend against. Add to that because he hasn't been an effective defensive screen, it put pressure on a back 4 lacking confidence and finally, Jose wasn't playing Herrera enough to give that balance but rather playing other players like Fellaini who also lacked mobility. When he was at Chelsea he had Kante to do the running and he relies on Herrera now. Chelsea knew he was on the decline and decided to let him go (albeit perhaps a season too soon).
We don't have an obvious deputy for Matic and that needs to be addressed unless McTominay can step up but not convinced by him yet.
This is a huge dilemma not to be taken lightly
I didn't lose my hope with him. We only saw him in a handful of games and he's labelled as shit. People are way too quick to jump into the conclusions when judging players and what to do with them. I agree with posts that say he's come to the club in the worst possible time. Manager was at war with directors, some players etc. and sacked midway through the season. Then the coming manager needed to steady the ship and preferred the more established players to do that and rightly so. This season is not the one to judge him imo. Let's wait and see him in a more comfortable environment and then decide what to do with him.
Fred this season so far (played 45 mins +)
6.7 - 76 mins home to Leicester
6.0 - 90 mins away at Brighton
6.6 - 90 mins home to Tottenham
6.8 - 69 mins away at Young Boys
7.9 - 63 mins home to Wolves (MoM)
6.9 - 90 mins home to Everton
6.8 - 56 mins away at Bournemouth
7.0 - 64 mins home to Young Boys
6.0 - 57 mins away at Valencia
6.6 - 53 mins home to Huddersfield
Not awful, but definitely not a £50 million player as of yet. An average of below 7 is not good enough for Manchester United, so he needs to improve. Would be great if he could deliver his first 8/10 performance today against the scousers!
6.7 - 76 mins home to Leicester
6.0 - 90 mins away at Brighton
6.6 - 90 mins home to Tottenham
6.8 - 69 mins away at Young Boys
7.9 - 63 mins home to Wolves (MoM)
6.9 - 90 mins home to Everton
6.8 - 56 mins away at Bournemouth
7.0 - 64 mins home to Young Boys
6.0 - 57 mins away at Valencia
6.6 - 53 mins home to Huddersfield
Not awful, but definitely not a £50 million player as of yet. An average of below 7 is not good enough for Manchester United, so he needs to improve. Would be great if he could deliver his first 8/10 performance today against the scousers!
matic possibly out for 1 month. his chance has arrived.
I know an IT consultant who looks like him and doesn't like football. I'm pretty sure They're the same person, They both can't play!
I may be in minority, but I don't even thing that he had been playing awful when given the chance. He clearly failed to impress Ole in training though.
Mourinho buying average players to aid him in his quest for a pay off, Fred being one of them...
Aye. Given how willing Ole has been to trust players Mourinho didn't, not being trusted by either of them is probably a sign that Fred is doing something wrong.
He's clearly not good enough, he lacks any sort of discipline and he's struggled with the pace of the league. I had high hopes but it serves to show you have to be careful buying from the smaller leagues even if they throw in the odd decent performance in the Champions League.
I'd be very surprised if he wasn't sold in the summer.
I'd be very surprised if he wasn't sold in the summer.
No , He is Pogba Replacement not Matic.
All the posters that are surprised he isn't in the 11, would you have put him in for Matic? The guy has barely played in months. At least Tommy has played recently... It's not that deep. I'm not surprised he isn't starting...
It doesn't matter. it's one midfielder less which pushes him further up in the pecking order. I expect to see some sub appearances at the very least.
Yes.
With Ander playing Matic's role and Fred playing on the right.
If he cant come in as first replacement for our midfield 3 when Matic is injured or Pogba is suspended, then he truly was the worst signing of the summer
Nah. You're advocating dropping him in one of our biggest game after having played no games in how long? You're shuffling the midfield to get him in too? When you could just replace Matic with Tommy (who has played recently, and as good as anything we've seen from Fred recently) and keep things more or less the same.
Sounds like you're picking based on names imo...
Dropping who? McTominay? He isnt a starter in the first place
I'm picking based on who's quality I have seen and leaving those out where I havent seen enough. Oh and making use of our big summer signing. Because he either needs to be useful or sold
Dropping him in = playing him. 'Making use of our big summer signing'? Yes picking based on names
Dropping him in = playing him. 'Making use of our big summer signing?' Yes picking based on names
No based on experience especially in big games - hes used to playing better teams than hes in, with the champions league
McTominay has barely played and when he has he hasn't looked better than Cleverley
Fred was our marquee signee last summer. Great planning by everyone
He'll be gone in the summer. People who know him were surprised he was linked with United and City in the summer. Solskjaer gave everyone a fresh start when he came here and he still cant break into this side.
Listen we have easier games to start reintroducing Fred into a new system. I'm with Ole on this one. I wouldn't have minded him starting, but I can understand why he hasn't. My nerves would be shredded all the same anyway...
Fred’s simply a victim of Herreras good form, nothing more nothing less
While Herreras playing his socks off in the role he’s occupying why change him about keep him there
While Herreras playing his socks off in the role he’s occupying why change him about keep him there
Would imagine he is giving Ander a specific role, or didn’t want to sacrifice him from the position he’s been doing so well in.
I'm not surprised he's not starting, but I'd have him in there ahead of Mata, just for the energy.
Neither Fred or McTominay have played much at all, it's going in cold for either of them, so I think it tells you how little Ole and the staff think of Fred that a seasoned International and CL footballer can't get in over a kid who's barely played and never really shown anything.
Fair enough, Mata to score now. But for real Mata in the hole is good. Hope that's where he's playing....
Playing Mctominay is a new low for Fred. I can accept that he is not in first 11 but to be basically 6th option in midfield is not looking good for him.
It gets worse for him... Doesn't come on after the injury either.
He is miles better than Scott McTominary and Pereira. Wtf OGS.
He must be really poor. To be 6th choice and behind academy players who themselves may be sold soon
He didn't really. Him, Carrick and McKenna decided their best XI from the first game and that has never changed. Everyone else from that moment has fed on scraps.
Tbf we've been winning, but it just means that now we're fecked with injuries the rest of the squad is heavily undercooked.
Has to play against PSG. Shucks
Has Ole actually said anything about Fred?
But the first team have kept themselves in the 11. Rightfully so.
He's better than Pereira and McTominay, I don't give a damn.
Hasn't kicked a ball in 49 days. We've fecked up by not putting him in a condition to play. I'd understand if we picked up a semi-pro in the Conference but this is a £50m Brazilian international. We should have been given him minutes.
Hasn't kicked a ball in 49 days. We've fecked up by not putting him in a condition to play. I'd understand if we picked up a semi-pro in the Conference but this is a £50m Brazilian international. We should have been given him minutes.
Now we know. Injuries .