Nani also but he was insanely 2 footed so I guess it doesn’t count much . I’ll go as far as saying a modern winger should be comfortable on either flank depending on tactics. One thread complained about us not scoring cutbacks unlike other teams. Unfortunately you can’t score cutbacks if your fullbacks don’t overlap that far and your wingers are always looking to cut in
Why are we not retraining Garnacho as an RW?
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We'll be robbing him of his chance to become the left sided version of Mo Salah. There's about 7 years between him and Rashford, they could share the role and eventually he could succeed him.
Rashford is good but he isn't prime Cr7.
Rashford is good but he isn't prime Cr7.
I don't think Rashford has done enough to be undroppable at this point of time. If he is out of form, Garnacho should play instead. We need 2 good players at least for that position. Man City has 2 world class players at each position. That is how they can keep having sustainable uninterruptted performance through the season without been affected greatly from injuries. If Arsenal had that last season, they could have won the league.
I don't see any reason why a professional winger can't play both sides, one might be their best side, but they should be at least understand the subtle differences and be able to play on the other to a high standard. It's not rocket science.
Garnacho looks so at ease as a left winger thigh. Just the way he dribbled and moved suits it perfectly. But I do think considering Rashford we have to try and make him more adaptable.
We don't know that EtH is not already preparing him for other positions?
because we already have two potentially top right wingers there. Even in Antony and Sancho's absence. Whilst on the left its just Rashford. Who he can eventually overtake.
Ronaldo and Nani were both right wingers before they became left wingers. Robben played left winger at Chelsea but his best came as right winger at Bayern. Valencia was a right winger before he became a right back, while Young was a left winger before he became a left and later right back. Heinze was a CB and then became a left back. As you mentioned Giggs and Scholes.
Actually, we did this quite a lot under Fergie.
yeah good ones, more common than i realise tbf
The only player that can kick Rashford up the arse or even dislodge him should be moved on the right?
I simply suggested that nobody is undroppable. I'm not sure how you've reached the conclusion that it's anti-Rashford.
Disagree. Ten Hag loves Rashford. He will keep playing him back into form.
I certainly don’t want him starting no matter what. I just think he should be seeing minutes there.
5,4,3,2,1 year(s), leaving Garnacho’s future up to Rashford’s failures or successes isn’t a good idea. Whilst pigeonholing him for LW when at first team level his performances have been sporadic at best doesn’t feel like a true test of his talents either.
Pedantic would be me saying, ‘he’s not getting on the pitch with Rashford unless Rashford plays ST’ is not me saying I think Rashford should be undroppable but stating a rather obvious fact. If Garnacho were nipping at the heels of Rashford as a LW then fine but I’ve not seen enough from him to call him the next big LW especially as we now find ourselves playing the right footed Pellestri there anyway.
Them pushing each other I agree with btw.
I assume you mean Amad & Pellestri?
Was a point about a few replies not simply yours.
I was hoping to see him given an opportunity on the right with the current issues we have on that side. I personally like to have one who can cut in and one who can go on the outside to mix it up. It does seem that ETH wants two who can cut in. I think if ETH was going to play him there we would have seen it already. On the other hand Garnacho is great from the bench so imagine ETH likes him as an impact sub
How about just actually playing him on the right and try it out instead of all these theoretical discussions. It’s not like we lose anything really.
Exactly. The objective is to develop his game. It will do Garnacho (or Rashford) no harm at all and they both have excellent right footed shots.
It's one of the things I loved about CR7.. he always looked to improve his game and be a better player. Always. He didn't wait to be told.
Has he tried him there?
Don't know about retraining him for the right, I do however think that having fluidity to rotate the front 3 positions in game is valuable, gives defenders a new challenge and often creates opportunities that Garnacho is so constrained to the left wing and Antony the right is a disadvantage especially as having a left footer on the left wing and a right footer on the right wing does mean you get crosses, something that neither Garnacho, Rashford or Antony really provide at present without cutting back in and/or having to beat a man, the cross then being an inswinger, as opposed to an outswinger if delivered from the other wing.... we have a proper striker now we need to give him service if he is going to succeed....
Anyway to summarise, having little or no flexibility in rotating positions is a weapon we do not currently have or at least utilise
Anyway to summarise, having little or no flexibility in rotating positions is a weapon we do not currently have or at least utilise
Simple answer - he's right footed!
Having a right footed right winger means taking a dimension out of the attack. The idea is having a left footer means they can cut inside and the full back can go on the outside.
The reason we paid so much for Antony, aside from the last-minute nature of the deal, is that left-footed AMRs are in somewhat short-supply.
Bear in-mind, we had an outstanding young left-footed (well, two footed) AMR from the Academy, but he turned out to be a dick.
Having a right footed right winger means taking a dimension out of the attack. The idea is having a left footer means they can cut inside and the full back can go on the outside.
The reason we paid so much for Antony, aside from the last-minute nature of the deal, is that left-footed AMRs are in somewhat short-supply.
Bear in-mind, we had an outstanding young left-footed (well, two footed) AMR from the Academy, but he turned out to be a dick.
I'd like us to give it a try, but ETH probably sees Antony as our long term RW option. Also the way Rashford is going, won't be surprised if Garnacho pushes him out of the left spot in a year or two.
Antony, prehaps isnt going to ever be our RW option giving his circumstances. We should/must entertain the fact he isnt going to be here and that Garnacho must play since Sancho has been axed and Greenwood is in Getafe with Antony issues.
That old story can be made for an assist too mate. If a person is right footed on the right side the chances of giving a precise assist also increases
And lets keep things football. Antony seems to have more problems than the "d..." ever had at this point
Mbappe used to play on the right so it's not impossible, wouldn't hurt to give it a try.
No but that's the point, the left footed winger can cut inside and shoot or slip a ball into the space between full back and CB for the CF.
The RB can then offer the crossing option on the overlap.
It's a crucial difference because if you have the right footed winger, right footed RB combo, you can only really offer the crossing option. There's nobody comfortable coming inside.
I don't understand how that takes a dimension out of the attack. Some great players played on the same side of the pitch as their favoured/natural foot?
Could you explain the success and importance of players such as Kyle Walker and Andy Roberston?
I get the whole trend of recent years, but I think you can have more when you can rotate the three. That's a nightmare for any defence.
Given the problems with our two 80m RWs I've been thinking about this over the last week and I would definitely give it a go against a club like Palace, but the inverted winger is all the rage these days. The problem though for United is that we don't have fullbacks that can take full advantage of inverted wingers, which is partly why our attacks fizzle out once we hit the final third. When Antony and Sancho were on their game, however limited they were, they were too one-dimensional and easily defended, and without a fullback with the pace or ability to overlap effectively our attacks ended with Antony and/or Sancho had the ball. You could for the most part say the same about Rashford, who just puts his heads down and tried to burst through the brick wall of defenders, predictably without success. What makes Garnacho distinct from those three wingers is that he can beat a defender to either side.
I like the job Pellistri has done so far but ETH sees in him a shot footballer then starting Garnacho on the right would be a strong move. That said, I don't recall a single match where Garnacho was effective for a full 90.
I like the job Pellistri has done so far but ETH sees in him a shot footballer then starting Garnacho on the right would be a strong move. That said, I don't recall a single match where Garnacho was effective for a full 90.
I certainly don't understand never playing him there. Even when we're really short on numbers.
Our RW position has become like the Defense Against Dark Arts position at Hogwarts. It’s cursed. Move Garnacho there and he’ll be accused of human trafficking and get a leg amputated in the same week.
Although Ten does like inverted wingers I’m not sure that’s the reason for Garnacho being played mainly on the left.
Purely speculation but I believe it’s more players style. Wide players that are almost faux strikers, like to take a couple touches, cut inside and then use pace to try and find space to shoot. Similar to Rashford and others. Beat one to players then shoot.
On the right I believe the wide players dribbling style is more effective when they are a more multi touch dribbler, similar to Pellestri. Using more skill than pace to get around the full back in a small area and then whip in a cross.
Of course Garnacho will develop as a player so I’m sure he will be asked to adapt, an playing across the forward line and rotating can only help with this manager and team. He has the traits in his locker.
Purely speculation but I believe it’s more players style. Wide players that are almost faux strikers, like to take a couple touches, cut inside and then use pace to try and find space to shoot. Similar to Rashford and others. Beat one to players then shoot.
On the right I believe the wide players dribbling style is more effective when they are a more multi touch dribbler, similar to Pellestri. Using more skill than pace to get around the full back in a small area and then whip in a cross.
Of course Garnacho will develop as a player so I’m sure he will be asked to adapt, an playing across the forward line and rotating can only help with this manager and team. He has the traits in his locker.
While we had some good performances with the Marcus/Mason/Martial front 3 under Ole, it often became a problem that all of them wanted to run onto the ball. I think we'd see the same thing were Garnacho, Rashford and Hojlund to all start together, regardless of who was on the right.
Did you even SEE Iwobi under Frank Lampard?
It is nice to have inverted winger who are also able to play as wide wingers (left-footed RW playing LW and vice versa), this allows for flexibility and interchangeability, but it depends on the player, some of them like Coman or Sane can operate on both wings, while others are limited in the opposite side of their favored position, not sure where Garnacho falls but if he can play RW, it would be awesome.
I think your right in that players with similar characteristics can lead to a predictability, but I think Hojlund has another dimension to make it work. The dribblers can use him as a pivot to play of, and hopefully open teams up around the six yard box.
Most of cities assists from cutbacks don't come from their wingers or full backs? It's the midfielders no, who are running that channel
Nobody is taking about forever. I’d be starting Garnacho on the right tomorrow. Let him and Rashford interchange sides throughout the game.
The lad deserves to be starting a few games and unless Rashford is dropped that isn’t happening at the moment on the left.
Because he's more talented on the left wing. It's as simply as that. You develop a youngster, specially a gem one, in his best position to get the best out of him. We can end up with a worldclass left winger it doesn't make sense to try to change him to a RW if we're risking him not fulfilling his potencial.
Why not retrain Rashford instead?
Never understood this logic. McTominay as a striker, Lindelof as a DM. Play the players in their best position, buy better players for the positions we are weak in.
players are not that specialized. Mascherano played CB for Barca. Essien CB for Ghana, Y. Toure CB for Barca 2009 CL because he was the only one who could coupe with Drogba strength after Marquez injury then went on to play CAM for City, Shweini played RM, CAM, CM, DM in his career. Dalot played RB and LB. Shaw CB and LB. not even talking about freaks of nature like Rooney,
None of these players played to lower standards in “new” positions
Just tell him that his idol, CR7 started his career at this club as RW
dont think inverted winger on both flanks is the way to go, especially when you see hojlund as typical traditional no. 9 who flourish with services from his teammates, it's ETH task to make sure his players understand this.
dont think inverted winger on both flanks is the way to go, especially when you see hojlund as typical traditional no. 9 who flourish with services from his teammates, it's ETH task to make sure his players understand this.