Why are we not retraining Garnacho as an RW?

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Currently he’s our ‘top talent’ & the only way he stands to start if Rashford is fit is if Rashford is playing the 9 which we certainly don’t want to rely on.

I see the predicament similar to the one Real had with Vinicius & Rodrygo a few years ago, you can’t fit 2 into 1 so at some point you’ve got to retrain someone. Right now is as good a time as any, Garnacho has the pace and dribbling, Pellestri for all the goodwill isn’t the talent Garnacho is. What he’d lose in cutting in you’d have to make up elsewhere obviously but at this juncture game time is pivotal & he isn’t getting it ahead of Rashford.

Garnacho at RW.
 
Probably because ETH likes inverted wingersso even if he was retrained he'd still be picking a left footer on the right wing when available. Its not like Pellistri is actually being selected when we're at strength
 
Pretty good idea to be honest. He does remind me of Kanchelskis a little.
 
Very different role for right footers. Rashford talked about it in his interview with Neville - your running/dribbling angles are much smaller as a right footed RW and there are way less chances to shoot from favourable positions.
 
Ekeke said:
Probably because ETH likes inverted wingersso even if he was retrained he'd still be picking a left footer on the right wing when available. Its not like Pellistri is actually being selected when we're at strength
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Name me one left footed winger currently available at the club you expect to play for United again before the next transfer window.

If we could discuss the actual squad & not the ideologic one.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Very different role for right footers. Rashford talked about it in his interview with Neville - your running/dribbling angles are much smaller as a right footed RW and there are way less chances to shoot from favourable positions.
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Hence the need to ‘retrain’. He isn’t getting on an pitch with Rashford bar injury to Hojlund. We need to change that.
 
I always wondered the same when we has Memphis, Martial, Rashford and then Sanchez cluttering up the left-hand side. Ole then started playing Dan James there too. Was always disappointed that none of them looked to make that position their own, but the real problem was United continually buying inside lefts.

What’s weird is never really having seen Garnacho out there. Makes little sense to sign Rashford to the sort of contract we did, then he was the one being shifted everywhere to accommodate his more junior and less consistent teammates.
 
Gandalf said:
In part because we need two players for the position but I would also imagine that there is a fair chance we sell Rashford in another year or two.
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PR United won't allow such blasphemy, unless he wants to leave.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
Name me one left footed winger currently available at the club you expect to play for United again before the next transfer window.

If we could discuss the actual squad & not the ideologic one.
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Is Amad expected to be out for that long? He wont be back for next transfer window? I really wish Amad had been an option for todays game :(
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
Hence the need to ‘retrain’. He isn’t getting on an pitch with Rashford bar injury to Hojlund. We need to change that.
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Kid is young, he’s doing well, he’s a good LW and to be honest if Rashford’s form doesn’t improve he may well be starting LW soon. This forum loves the idea of retraining players, there was a genuine thread about Lukaku at RW once.
 
Doe’s retraining ever really work? It’s great on say FM but only example I can really think of is Bale? I can’t think of any other instances where a player was retrained into a different position and improved.

I suppose for ourselves you could maybe argue Scholes being a striker at first and then a midfielder, maybe Giggs too, what are the others? Does Lewa count?
 
What for? Play him where he is good, and buy an actual RW, unless Pellistri or Amad somehow come good.

Rashford's position shouldn't be untouchable, like every other player in the team.
 
Gandalf said:
In part because we need two players for the position but I would also imagine that there is a fair chance we sell Rashford in another year or two.
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Based on? but let’s say he does, Garnacho getting 2 more years of cameos would be terrible.
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Because ideally you have a left footer on that side. Of course Antony is crap, but the idea is the same.

Also don't see it as a Vini/Rodrygo situation at all. Those are very close in age while Garnacho is 19 and Rashford is 26.
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At 26 Rashford isn’t going to be relinquishing a starting role soon, do you expect Garnacho to sit around for the next 4-5 years?

Stadjer said:
Is Amad expected to be out for that long? He wont be back for next transfer window? I really wish Amad had been an option for todays game :(
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See below.
Ekeke said:
Hojland, Amad and Antony
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Hojlund is our No.9. Do you expect him to cross to himself?

Amad isn’t going to come from Sunderland to injured to starter pre-January.

Antony will not be returning anytime soon.

You’ve named me a £60mil left footed striker & 2 left footed wingers currently not available. . .

tomaldinho1 said:
Kid is young, he’s doing well, he’s a good LW and to be honest if Rashford’s form doesn’t improve he may well be starting LW soon. This forum loves the idea of retraining players, there was a genuine thread about Lukaku at RW once.
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Garnacho at RW isn’t Lukaku at RW, that’s certainly not a thread I participated in.

Funnily enough people will be happy to see Bruno or Mount shoved there in the short/medium term. . . Garnacho could be as viable an option as any at RW at this point.
M Bison said:
Doe’s retraining ever really work? It’s great on say FM but only example I can really think of is Bale? I can’t think of any other instances where a player was retrained into a different position and improved.

I suppose for ourselves you could maybe argue Scholes being a striker at first and then a midfielder, maybe Giggs too, what are the others? Does Lewa count?
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Initial post. Rodrygo, similar age & profile to Garnacho when Real realised you can’t play 2 players at LW at once.
 
Telsim said:
What for? Play him where he is good, and buy an actual RW, unless Pellistri or Amad somehow come good.

Rashford's position shouldn't be untouchable, like every other player in the team.
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Certainly shouldn’t. Him being dropped for Garnacho for a sustained period of time isn’t imminent though, we saw Garnacho at LW to start the season, he wasn’t particularly undroppable.

Had he strung together multiple good performances at LW in a row I’d get the point but he’s shown flashes there, we’re now without an out & out wing option on the right bar Pellestri - there’s your what for.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
Garnacho at RW isn’t Lukaku at RW, that’s certainly not a thread I participated in.

Funnily enough people will be happy to see Bruno or Mount shoved there in the short/medium term. . . Garnacho could be as viable an option as any at RW at this point.
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Mount’s best season for Chelsea was off the right and Bruno can do a job there but I wouldn’t risk him versus good teams. I certainly wouldn’t risk a retraining Garnacho purely because you think Rashford is undroppable.

LW. Rashford/Garnacho
10. Bruno/Mount
RW. Antony/Pelly/Amad

That’s not including the scapegoat or some of the above who oaky multiple roles.
 
If he had a limited skill set and was a kick and rush, cross it in type of player I think he’d already be on the right. But he seems more of a link up player who can cut in as well, and I think you’d blunt a lot of that playing him on the right.

What should happen is that he competes with, and lights a fire under rashford as he’s not been on it this season. If one isn’t firing, the other plays. Get someone else for the right, someone who can stay out of trouble.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
I certainly wouldn’t risk a retraining Garnacho purely because you think Rashford is undroppable.
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I literally said this wasn’t the case in the post you’d have edited. Let’s discuss in good faith, utter joke this place at times.

Rashford isn’t in imminent danger of being dropped for Garnacho at LW, that may upset some of you, & it might be rightly or wrongly so but come off it.

Edit: Tell a lie, it was in the post directly below the one you quoted.
 
I'd be all for it personally. Rashfords form may be rotten, but I don't see him being dropped anytime soon and Garnacho needs playing time.

It's not his strongest position of course but consistent playing time in a less than ideal spot beats dribs and drabs of minutes in his natural position for me.
 
Pirlo'sBeard said:
Rashford starting should not be a given. Whoever is playing the better of the two should start.
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AFC NimbleThumb said:
Rashford isn’t in imminent danger of being dropped for Garnacho at LW, that may upset some of you, & it might be rightly or wrongly so.
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Garnacho was terrible at LW in the 2 games to begin the season, I don’t see why this post is turning into another anti-Rashford one instead of the question posed.

I’d like to see them both starting as given the limited talent we have available both stand amongst our top talents but we need to be honest about Garnacho’s rather infantile United career, we’re not talking about someone who has been elite at LW and hard done by.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
I literally said this wasn’t the case in the post you’d have edited. Let’s discuss in good faith, utter joke this place at times.

Rashford isn’t in imminent danger of being dropped for Garnacho at LW, that may upset some of you, & it might be rightly or wrongly so but come off it.

Edit: Tell a lie, it was in the post directly below the one you quoted.
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Was going to say I’m not eating anything! I don’t mean to be rude, I just don’t think it makes sense because I think he’s got a good future at LW basically.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Was going to say I’m not eating anything! I don’t mean to be rude, I just don’t think it makes sense because I think he’s got a good future at LW basically.
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Claiming I think Rashford is undroppable is still not good faith. We currently don’t have a first choice RW, Rashford on the other side will be the least of EtHs problems.

Garnacho also started the season at LW & was. . . underwhelming. I could get behind the ‘he’s a great LW’ argument if he’d strung multiple good games in a row there but he’s blown rather hot & cold.

Ideally of course he’d be an LW but whether people like it or not he isn’t a ‘better’ player than Rashford [yet] so unless people want 15 minute sub appearances or Hojlund injury cover Rashford we need to look at alternatives.

I’d see Mount/Bruno there to start myself btw but I’d like to see 30mins or so there for Garnacho at points aswell.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
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Garnacho was terrible at LW in the 2 games to begin the season, I don’t see why this post is turning into another anti-Rashford one instead of the question posed.

I’d like to see them both starting as given the limited talent we have available both stand amongst our top talents but we need to be honest about Garnacho’s rather infantile United career, we’re not talking about someone who has been elite at LW and hard done by.
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It was a tidy enough performance from Garnacho, but he actually had little impact in the final third tonight. In a game we dominated and could have provided a good platform for him, he only got two shots off and created no chances either. Pleased he got a goal, but other than that he didn’t provide the bite that this team needed from anyone in the front three.

Martial and Pellistri I have little hope for, so I am less interested in critiquing them, but Garnacho is going to have to do a lot more to threaten the starting berth of someone who got over 40 goals and assists last season.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
At 26 Rashford isn’t going to be relinquishing a starting role soon, do you expect Garnacho to sit around for the next 4-5 years?
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Of course not but I also think Garnacho still has many things he needs to improve on within his game before I full on want him stuck on the opposite wing as a means to get him on the pitch starting no matter what.

I also wouldn’t count out anything as far as the LW spot goes either. Rashford has hardly been prime Ronaldo in that spot, I’m not ready to cement him into that role for the next 5 years no matter what.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
Claiming I think Rashford is undroppable is still not good faith. We currently don’t have a first choice RW, Rashford on the other side will be the least of EtHs problems.

Garnacho also started the season at LW & was. . . underwhelming. I could get behind the ‘he’s a great LW’ argument if he’d strung multiple good games in a row there but he’s blown rather hot & cold.

Ideally of course he’d be an LW but whether people like it or not he isn’t a ‘better’ player than Rashford [yet] so unless people want 15 minute sub appearances or Hojlund injury cover Rashford we need to look at alternatives.

I’d see Mount/Bruno there to start myself btw but I’d like to see 30mins or so there for Garnacho at points aswell.
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Seems very pedantic. You said ‘he’s not getting on the pitch with Rashford’ and so I said you think Rashford won’t be dropped. Where’s the issue?

I didn’t say he’s a great LW either but I think his future could be bright there. Kid is 19, Rashford is 26 this season.Garnacho should push him and vice versa in my opinion.
 
Would prefer to see inverted wingers, but one the fact we dont have a left footed winger right now means we must make do.

There is a good reason to play a right footer on the right now as we have Hojland who can actually keep up with our wingers and make himself available for cut backs and crosses. Rashford said in an interview that last year he would look up and he would be on his own. Maybe that was a dig at Wout or Martial?

No reason why Garnacho cant play there. I believe he would be as effective as Mount or Bruno there.
 
Im sure at some point some one has looked at him on the right wing, the likely hood is he didn't look great there so nothing came of it.
 
Isn’t that Antony could play both right and left, while Rashford could play both left, right and CF? Even though they are not as good when playing in other position, it’s always better to develop their game in more versatile way. Like most of our previous top talent winger, we should try develop Garnacho playing into more positions.

Giggs - LW, CM
Ronaldo - LW, RW, CF
Nani - RW, LW
Rashford - LW, RW, CF
Antony - RW, LW
Sanche - LW, RW, false 9
 
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Gandalf said:
In part because we need two players for the position but I would also imagine that there is a fair chance we sell Rashford in another year or two.
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100% agree with this, also he’s 7 years younger. Erik probably views him as Rashfords challenger, and maybe his successor.
 
M Bison said:
Doe’s retraining ever really work? It’s great on say FM but only example I can really think of is Bale? I can’t think of any other instances where a player was retrained into a different position and improved.

I suppose for ourselves you could maybe argue Scholes being a striker at first and then a midfielder, maybe Giggs too, what are the others? Does Lewa count?
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Sane took years for his managers to decide he's at least as good if not better on the left despite being left-footed, but he's also insanely quick.
 
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