Honestly the Board. If they had any clue they would not have given the contract before the end of the temporary contract and end of that season. We lost the chance to hire a top manager because of that.
Why are United fans so oblivious to importance of good managers?
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Honestly the Board. If they had any clue they would not have given the contract before the end of the temporary contract and end of that season. We lost the chance to hire a top manager because of that.
If we moved OGS on, which teams would be interested in employing him?
And now wonder why you genius.
Good to see the deluded ones are getting fewer though.
Because people who have been laughing at the scousers for the last 25 years can’t realise when they themselves become the very thing that they’ve been mocking.
Except for the dodgy money and plastic parts, I don’t see anything wrong with the rest.
People are afraid if Ole goes we would hire the wrong manager. If someone like Klopp or Pep was available the amount of support Ole has will reduce.
Not really, we don’t overrate our squad/manager like they used to.
Good post. Ole has taken a squad that was in a bad place and improved it immeasurably. Nobody can question that we have a much stronger squad of players than we had 3 years ago. He has been the subject of a lot of unwarranted abuse the entire time. Not just from our own fans. There has been a clear and obvious media bias against him too.
If we go on a sustained run of poor form and results now then there's every chance that it will cost him his job. To say that people have been unfailingly patient towards him though is just bollox. He has met the objectives needed to retain his job season on season.
Zidane is available, and probably even better than those 2
Ole is in the running for worst manager in the league. He will not get another premier league job.
He is tactically inept and quite clueless in all honesty.
He is tactically inept and quite clueless in all honesty.
I don't see how this is praise worthy tbh. Getting rid of some players who were past it or who wanted to leave and choosing to buy some others isn't really that hard. It's what you do with the resulting team matters the most.
With the money he's had available, it only is logical he's managed to improve the team
There are probably a lot said here already, but few things that stand out:
Experience, we had LVG and Mourinho as our managers b2b and both known to be this big tactical geniuses whose squads just make the opponents play in their hand and strangle them for the victories. Neither of them worked out and left the overall squad mental and psychical state in all time low.
Ole came in and things changed, from the squad to the whole club's mentality and everyone seemed to enjoy being around again.
Currently it seems Ole's tenure have come to it's end, not that he can't evolve and offer something more, but that he offers might not be enough. We have squad capable of more and they need the right manager to take them the extra step to be the big bad wolf like Bayern is in Bundesliga who just blows teams away 4-0 or 5-1.
Experience, we had LVG and Mourinho as our managers b2b and both known to be this big tactical geniuses whose squads just make the opponents play in their hand and strangle them for the victories. Neither of them worked out and left the overall squad mental and psychical state in all time low.
Ole came in and things changed, from the squad to the whole club's mentality and everyone seemed to enjoy being around again.
Currently it seems Ole's tenure have come to it's end, not that he can't evolve and offer something more, but that he offers might not be enough. We have squad capable of more and they need the right manager to take them the extra step to be the big bad wolf like Bayern is in Bundesliga who just blows teams away 4-0 or 5-1.
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I think it is praise worthy. We have seen with our own eyes how easy it is to spend money badly. I think it becomes agenda driven when we refuse to give someone credit for things that they have done well. Criticise him for recent performances, that's fair game, but keep it balanced.
It's funny isn't it. In modern football, the manager and his team are widely considered to be the heartbeat of the club, they set the tone to which the players (and fans) follow.
However, some of our fanbase seem satisfied with a manager who has done absolutely nothing of note, we've spent fortunes and ultimately have regressed. Compare the last year or so to Ole's first few months in charge. Things are not improving.
He was a great player for us, but the nostalgia is killing this club, I simply can't understand it.
People bleat on about a defensive midfielder, if you stick Kante in our team they'll still be struggling in attack - we are not organised or well coached. It's bizarre. You do not need amazing players in every position, you find a balance.
However, some of our fanbase seem satisfied with a manager who has done absolutely nothing of note, we've spent fortunes and ultimately have regressed. Compare the last year or so to Ole's first few months in charge. Things are not improving.
He was a great player for us, but the nostalgia is killing this club, I simply can't understand it.
People bleat on about a defensive midfielder, if you stick Kante in our team they'll still be struggling in attack - we are not organised or well coached. It's bizarre. You do not need amazing players in every position, you find a balance.
Missed a trick and they know they have, bit the Glazers couldn't miss out on Ronny. That said is not the issues, we have to sell Fred and DVB . To get a CM like Rice Bassouma or DJong from Barca if they would like a swap even and few quid. January has to be that postion.
I would always keep the same level of judgment regardless of the manager. Selling Lukaku was easy, selling Smalling was easy, selling Young was easy, buying Varane was easy, buying Maguire was easy, buying Ronaldo was easy etc etc...
It's not agenda driven to say those decisions were all non brainers. Tell me which signing in terms of in or out truly surprised you positively.
The closest I could say is Bruno but it's not like he was an unknown quantity.
If Ole is praised for that, after all that money available to him then we are scrapping the barrel
If there was a Pep or Klopp available the board would hire them. But there isn't.
I think we're cursed plain and simple.
Top team(midfield aside) subpar manager.
Top team(midfield aside) subpar manager.
Thread title is a seriously dumb question.
Funny you demand 'balanced' posts yet write stuff like that... Immeasurably my ass.
Ole has won feck all after taking over a squad that's won the EL under Mou. Not denying he has improved the squad somewhat but that's mostly down to the Glazers spending money left and right. And he still hasn't filled the biggest hole in our squad although it was there for everyone to see.
You are imagining things.
He's still annoyed his Ole out poll thread, which he never posted in, was closed.
We had Ferguson for 20 odd years. Moyes was supposed to be the next Ferguson, then came world renowned van Gaal swiftly followed by one of the greatest premier League managers ever....... And now an ex player because they first three didn't work (not that they were ever going to given what their predecessor achieved). The op can only really complain about the latest manager imo. Clearly he's not really up to it, but what next?
There's a bit of romanticism with the United manager that comes from Sir Matt Busby and Sir Alex and the revolving door of them in-between. I think the club and the fans in general really want to hang their hat on Ole for the next 10-20 years and give him time to improve for stability.
To be fair when you look at the ups and down since he joined, the long runs of wins to long runs of draws and losses he's now reached a level that seems solid plus before Ole we've been mostly out the top 4, never had back to back finishes. We can only wait and see if he can improve more and fix more problems or cut to the chase and get someone in we know can. If you have the world's top coaches in your league and two oil clubs then you probably need to.
It would be like if F1 team Red Bull or Mercedes only had Albon and Perez driving for them. We didn't have a good car to drive before, we now have a really good car with the odd flaw to drive but an average driver. What you need is a Max or Hamilton to show the real speed of the car.
To be fair when you look at the ups and down since he joined, the long runs of wins to long runs of draws and losses he's now reached a level that seems solid plus before Ole we've been mostly out the top 4, never had back to back finishes. We can only wait and see if he can improve more and fix more problems or cut to the chase and get someone in we know can. If you have the world's top coaches in your league and two oil clubs then you probably need to.
It would be like if F1 team Red Bull or Mercedes only had Albon and Perez driving for them. We didn't have a good car to drive before, we now have a really good car with the odd flaw to drive but an average driver. What you need is a Max or Hamilton to show the real speed of the car.
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The majority wanted Ole in when the thread was closed. My understanding was that's why it was closed as the premise was moot.
He wouldn't even get the job in the 1st place much less kept it.
No idea but it’s better than sticking with this terrible bland football… we aren’t winning a single thing under Ole so next please !
teams from Eliteserien (Norway League) perhaps.
A lot of United fans think sitting back and watching a manger underperform time and again makes them better supporters. It’s weird because it’s as if the man in charge of the team is more import than the club itself. If you see a person you care about heading for disaster you wouldn’t just say nothing because you care about them and don’t want to hurt their feelings.
"why do man utd fans want to change manager after every game" is more like it.
No matter who is in charge, the same will happen. Our fans are entitled, think we should win every game 24-0.
Ole has done more than Moyes, mourinho, van gaal, but still gets slated as worse than them.
Fans literally playing FIFA in their heads..about as knowledgeable as Garth Crooks ffs
No matter who is in charge, the same will happen. Our fans are entitled, think we should win every game 24-0.
Ole has done more than Moyes, mourinho, van gaal, but still gets slated as worse than them.
Fans literally playing FIFA in their heads..about as knowledgeable as Garth Crooks ffs
He's done ok in the market, not great. Maguire's form at United has been very patchy, I still haven't made up my mind on him considering the huge amount he cost, maybe he'll improve under a better manager. Wan Bissaka and VDB are both misses for me, for the large amount they cost. Dan James has come and gone. His refusal to address the central midfield situation is highly questionable.
This is just going to be another Ole in/Ole out thread with a different title for the same stuff to be posted again and again and again. It was tiresome a long time ago, now it appears to be coming more frequent again.
Here's another 2 from today with the same underlying theme and the same sort of comments.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/has...that-we-can’t-challenge-for-the-league.465919/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/more-shiny-toys-needed.465924/
Why not just keep it to the Ole discussion thread?
Spot on.
Telling Man Utd fans what it's like to have a proper elite manager are we?
I'm sure we don't know what that feels like
Just because some of us don't fancy Conte or Zidane (are they even interested??) or Graham fecking Potter doesn't mean we've lost grip with reality.
People need to stop putting their desperation to see the back of Ole ahead of the fact people are entitled to their own opinions.
I'm sure we don't know what that feels like
Just because some of us don't fancy Conte or Zidane (are they even interested??) or Graham fecking Potter doesn't mean we've lost grip with reality.
People need to stop putting their desperation to see the back of Ole ahead of the fact people are entitled to their own opinions.
Because some fans associate the manager and club as one because of SAF.
We tried to re-create SAF with Moyes(6 year contract lolz). We then moved on to 2 past it dinosaur managers who peaked elsewhere(despite people telling you we hired them both at the top of their game). We then went all out by recreating SAF's years with a club legend and former assistants-players making up the coaching staff.
It's hilarity when you think about it.
We tried to re-create SAF with Moyes(6 year contract lolz). We then moved on to 2 past it dinosaur managers who peaked elsewhere(despite people telling you we hired them both at the top of their game). We then went all out by recreating SAF's years with a club legend and former assistants-players making up the coaching staff.
It's hilarity when you think about it.
Even if we got one of those, people will just want the next manager of the hour when things aren't going well.Telling Man Utd fans what it's like to have a proper elite manager are we?
I'm sure we don't know what that feels like
Just because some of us don't fancy Conte or Zidane (are they even interested??) or Graham fecking Potter doesn't mean we've lost grip with reality.
People need to stop putting their desperation to see the back of Ole ahead of the fact people are entitled to their own opinions.
Yes exactly and we will be called idiots again for not agreeing with them.
And what exactly is wrong with that?
The manager is an employee of the club, why should the relationship extends beyond his performance?
That's Football since the beginning of times. The paradox of this kind of point is that United didn't get SAF magically, an underperforming manager was sacked in November 1986.