Nail on head.
Nothing will change unless we stop going to matches and buying tat with United written on it and perhaps start targetting the sponsors with negative messages or organising boycotts of their products/services.
Why are United board/owners so slow to act?
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Nothing will change unless we stop going to matches and buying tat with United written on it and perhaps start targetting the sponsors with negative messages or organising boycotts of their products/services.
I know there isn't a 'like' button so I just wanted to say good post. I hadn't thought about it from this angle: sharing the blame so it all gets diluted, but I think you are right.
There's no one in charge with enough power that knows football well enough. And I think there's a complete lack of competence and confidence from top to bottom. And embarrassment. Sort of like if you let your house become an absolute dump, you know you need to get in a professional cleaner to sort it, but you're too embarrassed to get them in and see the mess you've made out of shame.
They are incompetent and shamed.
And it's not just Ole that needs to go now, its most around and above him.
They are incompetent and shamed.
And it's not just Ole that needs to go now, its most around and above him.
Seem to me there's not enough dollar and cents thinking going on, is that what you're saying?
Hundreds of millions spent on players that aren't used.
Constant risk of failing to meet the club criteria for success (top 4 in the league, into the knockout round of the CL)
Winning something.
The people who are too comfortable work at the club. The Glazers should start asking where the payoff is for the money they've spent.
Unfortunately, that was Mourinho before. And you know how that went. The fans supported Carricky and Fletchery over the angry guy who was trying to get change to happen.
If they care about money like people say they do, They wouldn't be happy with 100m being spent on players who dont get to play.
I personally think when Mourinho took the job, he was past is best. Tactically the game had moved on and that was shown at Spurs and it will be at Roma.
For me, the appointment of Darren Fletcher highlights the problem. Given the stature of and resources available at the club, he gets that job because either he's a "yes man" the senior management want because he won't ask difficult questions; or because none of the vastly more experienced (and therefore more suitable) candidates wanted to work within the current structure, probably because they can see from a mile off that it's destined to fail.
The club is a shambles top to bottom.
I'm pretty sure they're being awfully advised.
Someone up there is telling them this is exactly like the early Ferguson years. He finished second in 87/88 and then went on to finish 11th, 13th and 6th. The clubs needs to ride out the next few years while Ole is doing his thing and will be rewarded.
Someone up there is telling them this is exactly like the early Ferguson years. He finished second in 87/88 and then went on to finish 11th, 13th and 6th. The clubs needs to ride out the next few years while Ole is doing his thing and will be rewarded.
The thing is, failure costs the owners significantly. Fortunes have been spent on players with no return. Commercial deals will all be incentivised based on success.
Failure on the pitch damages the brand which costs the owners money, in the long run.
It's incredible that the senior management haven't been sacked and questions asked by the owners as to why those at United seem to think it should run itself differently from every other succesful club in Europe, when it patently isn't working and hasn't done so since Sir Alex retired. Doing the same thing and expecting different results is madness.
I just can't believe we waste such a generation of players. Take a look at out team: Ronaldo, Bruno, Varane, Pogba, De Gea, Sancho, Rashford. We accept fighting for top 4 with Ole and waste another year - with perhaps much better players than ever in the last decade.
The technical director is a link between the first team and the DoF. It's a weird role which sometimes does important stuff, and sometimes doesn't. Some technical directors are just coaches with a foot in upper management, and some are genuine assistant DoFs. My guess is Fletch was wanted by Ole as the go between - being a good ManUtd man and all that. He began as a coach after all. Rio has described his job as "Being on the training pitch every day, understanding the squad and the atmosphere, and feeding that information to Murthough when it comes to recruitment" (I assume he's supposed to report on what the squad is missing and basically act as a liason). Which sounds like a coach with a foot in upper management to me.
Nobody is telling them this. They know they're going to sack him. He's only still in post because they don't know who they want to replace him, especially given the lack of decent managers looking for a job. They're too scared to make a big call when the time is right and this is why we end up with managers on the slide or worse, what we have now.
They don't know much/ anything about football, so they don't care about the club as long as they are making money. Ole to them is a comfort blanket as they know he's just happy to be here
They probably need permission from
We'll see but I'm getting more and more convinced he'll not just ride out the season but he'll also start next season in charge
It's a complete fudge to me. Top clubs generally have a DoF or someone in that role who sits above the management and who has the knowledge and experience to make the big decisions. Twenty years ago clubs were run top to bottom by the manager - Fergie and Wenger probably being the last of that breed, but the game has changed.
It's an example of the club failing again to recruit properly, appointing Fletcher in some effort to make it look like the structure is being modernised when in fact, he's got none of the experience or skill set to do what is actually needed.
Any top DoF comes into the club and immediately starts asking questions. I suspect those running the club don't want that.
That would certainly explain why nothing's happening...
xD
I meant Joel, but yeah - that would explain a lot.
Of course they will, but that's the modern game and it's not going to get any easier sitting around hoping for a miracle. A bad season costs much more than sacking and hiring a new manager. People in the upper levels of succesful businesses make these calls all the time. That's what they're there for. When someone in your organisation can't do their job, you bring in someone who can.
Agreed. We need a proper modern structure, and yes Fletcher is a very strange appointment indeed.
I agree. Just trying to look for any possible explanation as to why they aren't doing anything. Money seems about right with the Glazers.
I honestly think they must trust the people in charge - which is bizarre given the money invested and the repeated failures to make the right appointments.
They made 150M just from Ronaldo's signing spiking stock price, in the same window. You have to look at net income they are getting from the whole rigmarole. Also i doubt they understand the concept of "we signed players and they don't play". Remember these people are clueless in anything related to the game. As far as cash is flowing their way - who cares.
Its pretty clear to me that with these clowns in charge, United will soon be a midtable club.
Only then might we see some drastic action taken to arrest this decline.
For me the red line was crossed when the leverage takeover happened, a profitable club was in an instance thrown into debt.
At the time, they hid behind the successes of Sir Alex.
Now they have nowhere to hide.
Only then might we see some drastic action taken to arrest this decline.
For me the red line was crossed when the leverage takeover happened, a profitable club was in an instance thrown into debt.
At the time, they hid behind the successes of Sir Alex.
Now they have nowhere to hide.
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Question on per say someone/group did attempt to purchase United outright in full.
Would the new ownership inherit the loans on the books or would the Glazers have to pay them off during the sale/transfer?
Or would said purchase include X percent to shareholders and X percent to Glazers minus X percent to payoff outstanding loans owed?
Would the new ownership inherit the loans on the books or would the Glazers have to pay them off during the sale/transfer?
Or would said purchase include X percent to shareholders and X percent to Glazers minus X percent to payoff outstanding loans owed?
Normally you just take on the loans. It would be included as part of the overall deal value. So if you buy something for £100 and it has a £20 loan/ mortgage attached, then the real cost is £120. The debt is part of the club.
I as cruelly think we were carried by Jose and LVG to achieve more than what we should have - the squad at that time was the equivalent of what Ole is now.
Now we have a squad good enough to compete but an amateur manager and coaches.
The stars would have to align for our unambitious owners to recruit a top manager. They will be aware that the players have a decent chance of securing us top 4 and are happy with that.
Now we have a squad good enough to compete but an amateur manager and coaches.
The stars would have to align for our unambitious owners to recruit a top manager. They will be aware that the players have a decent chance of securing us top 4 and are happy with that.
Because the yankee leeching cowards are not willing to admit they got it wrong with this appointment
I don’t get why people think that the business side of it is going tremendously well when the market disagrees.
The share price has increased a little over 21% since they were listed in 2012. Which on the face of it is great, but it isn't. The S&P 500 has seen an increase of 315% over the same period (which tracks the 500 largest US public companies.) Based on US inflation, a dollar in 2012 is akin to $1.19 now aka a 19% increase, and so United shares are worth pretty much worth the same in real terms as they were in 2012.
The share price has increased a little over 21% since they were listed in 2012. Which on the face of it is great, but it isn't. The S&P 500 has seen an increase of 315% over the same period (which tracks the 500 largest US public companies.) Based on US inflation, a dollar in 2012 is akin to $1.19 now aka a 19% increase, and so United shares are worth pretty much worth the same in real terms as they were in 2012.
Let’s be honest...who is attainable?
Do you think Ten Haag is going to leave his post after the rebuild he had done and the fact his team have well and truly schooled Dortmund twice and look on for another promising CL run? Why on earth wouldUtd mid season in the state we are in be attractive?
Zidane? He doesn’t want us.
Conte? No point in pretending...he is not a Utd style appointment and would have wanted money in January. No one is getting money in January!
Who else...realistically...Rodgers? It would be possible I suppose...but Half the fan base would lose their shit andsacking Ole is supposed to get the owners some credit back!
Potter? Same thing...all it would take is for there to be a hint that Ronaldo and Varane are not happy taking instruction from someone who has achieved so little in the game both as a player and a manager and the media are back on our case. Such a risk.
In complete seriousness...who is a realistic appointment at this stage of the season? Do we want a caretaker? What if he does well...do we keep him on.....
We are wishing for something without acknowledging that maybe the answer just isn’t there at this point in time.
Would you keep Ole if it meant getting Ten Haag next season?
Sacking Ole is only the first part.
Do you think Ten Haag is going to leave his post after the rebuild he had done and the fact his team have well and truly schooled Dortmund twice and look on for another promising CL run? Why on earth wouldUtd mid season in the state we are in be attractive?
Zidane? He doesn’t want us.
Conte? No point in pretending...he is not a Utd style appointment and would have wanted money in January. No one is getting money in January!
Who else...realistically...Rodgers? It would be possible I suppose...but Half the fan base would lose their shit andsacking Ole is supposed to get the owners some credit back!
Potter? Same thing...all it would take is for there to be a hint that Ronaldo and Varane are not happy taking instruction from someone who has achieved so little in the game both as a player and a manager and the media are back on our case. Such a risk.
In complete seriousness...who is a realistic appointment at this stage of the season? Do we want a caretaker? What if he does well...do we keep him on.....
We are wishing for something without acknowledging that maybe the answer just isn’t there at this point in time.
Would you keep Ole if it meant getting Ten Haag next season?
Sacking Ole is only the first part.
Let’s be honest...who is attainable?
Do you think Ten Haag is going to leave his post after the rebuild he had done and the fact his team have well and truly schooled Dortmund twice and look on for another promising CL run? Why on earth wouldUtd mid season in the state we are in be attractive?
Zidane? He doesn’t want us.
Conte? No point in pretending...he is not a Utd style appointment and would have wanted money in January. No one is getting money in January!
Who else...realistically...Rodgers? It would be possible I suppose...but Half the fan base would lose their shit andsacking Ole is supposed to get the owners some credit back!
Potter? Same thing...all it would take is for there to be a hint that Ronaldo and Varane are not happy taking instruction from someone who has achieved so little in the game both as a player and a manager and the media are back on our case. Such a risk.
In complete seriousness...who is a realistic appointment at this stage of the season? Do we want a caretaker? What if he does well...do we keep him on.....
We are wishing for something without acknowledging that maybe the answer just isn’t there at this point in time.
Would you keep Ole if it meant getting Ten Haag next season?
Sacking Ole is only the first part.
I am greedy and want Ole out now whatever happens with Ten Hag
Serious question. I think most fans were ready to sack him after the Leicester game. We have since been embarrassed by Liverpool, City and now Watford. What exactly is stopping them making the right decision?
Nobody wants the job.
As I’ve said in other threads this isn’t about Ole anymore as he’s obviously not good enough it’s all on the board.
That's a bs reason which the club wants us to believe. Conte was literally begging for the job. Truth is we have an incompetent board.
Not too many options out there plus lack of pressure from the fans.
SAF.
Well that's not it
Bs. Big fecking bs. We simply have the worst board imagineable
They don't want to make a new appointment, which they know deep down would have to be someone with experience who will want more control. Hence why Conte wasn't given the job initially. Glazers liked having Ole in charge because they were able to move him around how they liked and also he wasn't necessarily on a massive wage for a manager, he also didn't ask for money in the window. It's also partly to do with this "United Way" nonsense being the "right way to do things"
I honestly think they think that Ole can turn this around, obviously couldn’t be more wrong though.