Why are the standards at one of the biggest club in football (Manchester United) so low?

Ask yourself what would happen if the Glazers bought and tried this at Barca, or Real, or Bayern, or Liverpool…

Imagine - literally - what would happen.
Nothing. You're living in a fantasy world, Liverpool fans weren't best impressed with previous owners and had years of underperformance, why would you ignore that instead of producing this thought experiment which counts for nothing?

The fans did what they could at the time. So what are you actually suggesting is the solution? Not vague notions of "booting them out", or "X fans wouldn't stand for it", as you would say... quite literally what should be done to boot the Glazers out?
 
It is something that permeates through-out the club now. The sloppy performances, passes, tackles, pressing etc. we see from the star players with no threat to their starting position are because Ole allows it and has low standards. The bar we expect of our managers is low, make top 4. The bar we set for our transfers is basically bring in some big names every now and then to keep the sponsors happy. We reward the manager and players with wages that are among the highest in the world despite winning nothing.

We need a manager that demands the absolute best from his players every single day in training with the highest standards AND demands it from those above him.
I was going to post similarly. one of the most damning parts of Sunday was Scholes bringing our attention to Greenwood's lack of energy/awareness as part of the first goal. This is a young lad with tremendous talent. However he looks like a pale imitation of the kid who was fearless in front of goal 2 years ago. Now he rarely takes his man on, he still scores some spectacular goals , but he was previously a goal machine. Now he uses his right foot sparingly whereas before he was almost as good on either foot. On Sunday he stopped running, he stopped helping out midfield, he stopped closing down the opposition. Indeed he looked like the rest of the players, lacking in energy.
In Greenwood we see the problems of United. A waste of talent, someone who has stopped working hard every single second they are training or on the pitch. Fergie used to say you need to work your socks off to earn the right to play your football; Greenwood has stopped doing this, he reflects the team, I am tempted to say the whole club.
A CEO who has one foot out of the door answering to owners in Florida now basking in 'Brady' glory in their own sport. A middle management team not yet with their feet under the table, a first team manager who doesn't coach, and a wet behind the ears coaching staff. The youth set up changed again with no consistency. Too many forwards, too few decent midfielders, defenders who have 'gone missing'.
 
Nothing. You're living in a fantasy world, Liverpool fans weren't best impressed with previous owners and had years of underperformance, why would you ignore that instead of producing this thought experiment which counts for nothing?

The fans did what they could at the time. So what are you actually suggesting is the solution? Not vague notions of "booting them out", or "X fans wouldn't stand for it", as you would say... quite literally what should be done to boot the Glazers out?

You think that the Glazers rock up at Real, Barca or Bayern and do what they’ve done at Utd and the fans do - and I quote “nothing”.

I think it’s you who’s living in a fantasy world mate.
 
Soriano had 5/6 years as director at Barca before joining City.

Txiki has a lifetime in football and almost a decade as a director at Barca before joining City.

Now compare that to Woodward and Arnold.
Soriano and Woodward had no prior experience in football and had similar job profile when they joined Barca and United respectively and spent more or less similar time in their roles before Soriano left Barca and eventually joined City as their CEO while Woodward got promoted at United . So basically they both followed similar trajectories with difference being one switched clubs . Arnold if elevated to CEO position at United would also be following similar path as Woodward .
Point about Txiki is he didn't have any experience as Sporting director but he still got that Job at Barca .
 
You think that the Glazers rock up at Real, Barca or Bayern and do what they’ve done at Utd and the fans do - and I quote “nothing”.

I think it’s you who living in a fantasy world mate.
So you have no response to how you are advocating we kick out the Glazers? You are adamant we should have already done so but as yet have no strategy?

I don't care what happens at Real or Barcelona, they're different clubs in a different country and I wouldn't vouch for many of their actions over there, fans or owners. They are not free from issues, are they? As far as I'm aware German football has a different ownership structure so it's a completely redundant argument.

It wasn't worth going into for these reasons, it's just a pointless thought experiment and the one example that is closely related (Liverpool, and to an extent Newcastle and Arsenal) you are now ignoring. You're just talking pure, unsubstantiated nonsense and refusing to elaborate on weak arguments.
 
I still couldn't believe that Man Utd somehow see it fit to hire Molde/Cardiff manager and let him play negative football for 3 years.

This tell you all you need to know about the management vision and knowledge of football.
 
The owners don't give a feck about anything other than money. They'll make a change here and there when they have to but they don't feel like they have to right now.

Until they are gone the club will continue to do business like this indefinitely.
 
Lack of accountability from top to bottom. Fergie held it all together, once we walked away we were exposed for what we were. An ageing giant, poorly maintained, stuck in the past and carried by the fire and genius of a Scotsman for 3 decades. Now we have a chance to modernize but we have chosen bankers and money men to make footballing decisions so are doomed by their choices.
Actually, we were a brilliantly run club before the Glazers. Perhaps the best run club in the world. No debt, very modern, huge stadium with the intention of expanding and modernizing it, the biggest and most marketable club in the world by far, and then the Rock of Gibraltar happened. United was saddled with debt and incompetent owners and Fergie still held the held and through his own genius carried it close to 10 years. But despite our on the pitch success, off the pitch - the club was starting to erode step by step. Commercially we were still doing fine, but we started to lose our position to Madrid, then to Barcelona, then Bayern, etc. The debt prevented the club from making any meaningful transfers for almost a decade. The stadium was (and is still) in a state of decay. The training pitch, as well, is horribly unmodernized, being surpassed by small Citeh in a matter of years. No investment in years. In terms of football we are horribly stuck in the past - we just recently got DOF, but it is another "lad" about to learn on the job, the coaching system has been dismantled, we have no philosophy or goals to strive for because the owners do not care about football. After Fergie our problems became increasingly exacerbated because we no longer had the GOAT manager to carry us through this. Standards are nowhere to be found because only Fergie gave a shit about winning, the Glazers couldn't care less where we are, as long as they rake in the dividends. And CL football is sufficient enough for that. In short, we are right back in the gutter with the mortal clubs trying to survive and claw our way out of the ditch.

I never thought we'd be repeating history again after Sir Busby left, but yet here we are, the club doing the same mistakes it did back then. I guess time is a flat circle, indeed.
 
So you have no response to how you are advocating we kick out the Glazers? You are adamant we should have already done so but as yet have no strategy?

I don't care what happens at Real or Barcelona, they're different clubs in a different country and I wouldn't vouch for many of their actions over there, fans or owners. They are not free from issues, are they? As far as I'm aware German football has a different ownership structure so it's a completely redundant argument.

It wasn't worth going into for these reasons, it's just a pointless thought experiment and the one example that is closely related (Liverpool, and to an extent Newcastle and Arsenal) you are now ignoring. You're just talking pure, unsubstantiated nonsense and refusing to elaborate on weak arguments.

You think that the Glazers rock up at Real, Barca or Bayern and do what they’ve done at Utd and the fans do “nothing”.

You either know utterly nothing about football on a real level or are being purposely obtuse for whatever reason.

We’ll agree to disagree :)
 
Actually, we were a brilliantly run club before the Glazers. Perhaps the best run club in the world. No debt, very modern, huge stadium with the intention of expanding and modernizing it, the biggest and most marketable club in the world by far, and then the Rock of Gibraltar happened. United was saddled with debt and incompetent owners and Fergie still held the held and through his own genius carried it close to 10 years. But despite our on the pitch success, off the pitch - the club was starting to erode step by step. Commercially we were still doing fine, but we started to lose our position to Madrid, then to Barcelona, then Bayern, etc. The debt prevented the club from making any meaningful transfers for almost a decade. The stadium was (and is still) in a state of decay. The training pitch, as well, is horribly unmodernized, being surpassed by small Citeh in a matter of years. No investment in years. In terms of football we are horribly stuck in the past - we just recently got DOF, but it is another "lad" about to learn on the job, the coaching system has been dismantled, we have no philosophy or goals to strive for because the owners do not care about football. After Fergie our problems became increasingly exacerbated because we no longer had the GOAT manager to carry us through this. Standards are nowhere to be found because only Fergie gave a shit about winning, the Glazers couldn't care less where we are, as long as they rake in the dividends. And CL football is sufficient enough for that. In short, we are right back in the gutter with the mortal clubs trying to survive and claw our way out of the ditch.

I never thought we'd be repeating history again after Sir Busby left, but yet here we are, the club doing the same mistakes it did back then. I guess time is a flat circle, indeed.
Amen
 
Ed the fecking accountant has no business running a football club in the first place. He has no clue about football and no proper DOF. Murtough is someone from within the failed system.
 
Soriano and Woodward had no prior experience in football and had similar job profile when they joined Barca and United respectively and spent more or less similar time in their roles before Soriano left Barca and eventually joined City as their CEO while Woodward got promoted at United . So basically they both followed similar trajectories with difference being one switched clubs . Arnold if elevated to CEO position at United would also be following similar path as Woodward .
Point about Txiki is he didn't have any experience as Sporting director but he still got that Job at Barca .
If your point is non football people can be successful at running football clubs then sure I concede its possible. However my point is you should have footballing people make footballing decisions otherwise eventually you'll be fecked.
 
We’re run by and owned by cnuts. Not really hard to answer that one.
 
We obviously don't tolerate incompetence. The problem is that those who are supposed to solve the problem are incompetent.

Also, why are we the biggest football team in the World? We aren't . We are upper echelon but not the very top. Basically after SAF we are sort of the same as before SAF (at least 10 years before SAF came along).
 
I perceive it as a lack of ambition from all the organization, from the owners to the fans. Jose achieved more in less time and he was getting a lot of backlash, he was fairly sacked (although he should had been sacked sooner) but with Ole the standards have gotten so low. I've read a lot of people talking about progress under him but like I said Mourinho and Van Gaal achieved more so it's not really progress, more like stagnation, and everyone seemed happy with being embarrassed year after year in UCL, not winning anything and not challenging for the title all while displaying some archaic football. So for a club with this type of resources it should be something unacceptable but it has been going on for so long I don't know what to think of it.

There’s certainly been a rewriting of Jose’s final half season (which don’t get me wrong, was awful) as not just the usual petulant meltdown that left the club needing a part-time caretaker to re-invigorate some spirits before the next guy came in… but as some all time low nuclear incident that somehow required 3 years to rebuild from. It’s a line that’s even filtered down to likes of Mitten and Neville. Which frankly, is nonsense. No club with the budget we have needs 3 years to get back to the level it was 6 months before a managerial change. Especially when that level wasn’t even elite! (2nd and a cup final)

In fact Conte’s Chelsea won the league 18 months after Jose’s mid 3rd season meltdown, and you guys won La Decima the first year after he left!

Now, clearly both those teams were in slightly better nick than the one Ole took over, but that doesn’t mean it should’ve taken us 4 years to get back to the Europa League final level we were at barely 18 months before Ole (Let alone fecking lose it) Especially as this “3 years of impossible rebuilding” has yielded a team that still contains arguably 6/7 starting players from Jose’s reign. So yeah, lots of people have spun themselves a myth. And because Mourinho is such a persona non-grata, and Solskjaer so beloved, it’s just kinda been allowed.
 
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Nothing. You're living in a fantasy world, Liverpool fans weren't best impressed with previous owners and had years of underperformance, why would you ignore that instead of producing this thought experiment which counts for nothing?

The fans did what they could at the time. So what are you actually suggesting is the solution? Not vague notions of "booting them out", or "X fans wouldn't stand for it", as you would say... quite literally what should be done to boot the Glazers out?
If they on mass stopped turning up for games, they would sell.
 
Because the fanbase has allowed it to be.

It's this, a few marquee signings and all is forgotten every summer, I detest the modern era fans that think football is a game of fifa ultimate team.

Way back when Mourinho got sacked I didn't think we needed a big overhaul of transfer ins and outs like a lot of fans did, all we needed was the right manager to suit the players we had and 3 seasons on we are once again back to square one despite throwing millions and millions at ole to supposedly turn us into a world class team and yet maguire is barely much of an upgrade on smalling, bissaka isn't even that much better than young despite that not even being his natural position in his last few seasons.
 
I don't get why the owners can't see their lack of ambition is costing more money than if they showed ambition, the lack of ambition has trickled all the way down the club and results in players taking the club for ride because they know the demands to be the best are not there like you see at other clubs to make them fearful of being axed from the club.
 
People keep going on about fans romanticising the ‘United Way’ as being a major factor in the club under-achieving in recent years.

But could you be more specific? What, exactly, would you like to see United jettison, in terms of things associated with the ‘United Way’? Attacking football? A focus on youth development? Because I seem to remember us abandoning both of those under Maureen.

I really don’t think football fans being football fans (ie having a more of an emotional rather than intellectual response to football) is as big a problem as you think it is.
 
You think that the Glazers rock up at Real, Barca or Bayern and do what they’ve done at Utd and the fans do - and I quote “nothing”.

I think it’s you who’s living in a fantasy world mate.

The Glazer hate is just ridiculous. They (at least) are competent. They have managed Utd for 15 years now. They've provided what -$2B? in funds for players? And the fans keep imagining someone is going ride up on a white steed and give the multi-billion company to them.
I see a solid army of grifters between the Glazers and the club.
 
Most going to point out at lack of ambition in owners, club overall but good section of a fan base aint any better. They accept shit, find excuse for it, move goal posts while dropping bar lower and lower just so they can fit in a mold of whats real supporter in their mind. The way how they see transfers and importance of just being in top 4, doesnt matter that we are being kicked around in there.

Also our whole fan contains fans of all levels plus customers type, because lets be real, we aint much of a football club these days, more like a corp. What to say, when you watch local fans storming a pitch in protest vs Super League, while motherfeckers in here having a go at them because their Sunday is ruined due game cancellation :lol:
 
Owners are playing into the mindset of the fanbase of romanticism.

Some of our supporters think they're against the Glazers and they're militant with their actions, making a stand now and then etc. Yet psychologically the Glazers have played them like a fiddle with Ole. He has allowed them to do what they have always done (aim for top 4) without anybody noticing anymore.

At least the worm is finally turning.
 
I still couldn't believe that Man Utd somehow see it fit to hire Molde/Cardiff manager and let him play negative football for 3 years.

This tell you all you need to know about the management vision and knowledge of football.

The fact that very few, if any, PL clubs would offer him a job after United says it all.
 
It just seems like the board just haven’t been ruthless enough at the right times because they hope that if they stick with the manager he might come good. They’re always afraid of the process of starting over again.

I think the need to look at what Chelsea have done. They’ve rebuilt two or three times since Fergie’s time and they have a couple of league titles to show for it. We still haven’t successfully rebuilt once.
 
It just seems like the board just haven’t been ruthless enough at the right times because they hope that if they stick with the manager he might come good. They’re always afraid of the process of starting over again.

I think the need to look at what Chelsea have done. They’ve rebuilt two or three times since Fergie’s time and they have a couple of league titles to show for it. We still haven’t successfully rebuilt once.
I don't see a greedy board. I see them as naive instead. Do you think they like us being 4th or just entering the top 4. I actually think, football wise, the Glazers have a good approach, let the people at the club run it and they'd finance. The problem we have had has been thag the people ate the club, Woodward, Fergie etc have been too easily swayed by sentiment and have been very slow to change. People act like our owners are ruthless, but in truth, the past 8 years have shown that they haven't been near ruthless enough.
A well run club isn't simply one that gives the manager everything they want, but one that has people who can weigh pros and cons and know if and when to make decisive moves when they come. I'd a mistake is made, they can rectify it quickly enough to cause a more decisive impact. Bayern are a club similar to us. They have a great respect for their history and despite some past boardroom issues, understand never to bring it to football decisions. They hired Kovac and resolved the issue by sacking him early into the season , despite winning the league, as they used player advice, fan advice and simple observation to realize his tactics and man management were not sufficient for progression. We have to do away with the idea that being dysfunctional is about how many managers we sack. Unlike Arsenal, we have funded all of our managers more than sufficiently and the club should have an expectation for results to be deliverable. This isn't the United Sir Alex inherited. It's the most supported club in world football. Even with that, Fergie was more than qualified for the job when he took it and showed enough of a system and style to be trusted. He also had a steady track record and in truth, it wasn't like he was managing liverpool in the 80s. You can only be patient with proven success or signs of success; not with sentiment.
One other majore issue people like Neville don't like to be honest about is the fact that we haven't actually hired any modern managers. That's what Fergie joined when he came in. We have only hired managers who have already built their legacies and were on the decljne* hence not having modern management techniques or patience for a rebuild) or managers who didn't have a record of playing a desirable or sustained style of play that had proven to be succesful. In the last 10 years, City have hired Mancini, Pellegrini and Pep ( three managers with clear styles and success of implementing it), Chelsea hired (Mourinho (no meltdown), Conte, Sarri, Lampard and Tuchel ( outside of lampard,modern managers with clear styles and success of implementing it and Liverpool have hired Rodgers and Klopp( Rodgers was a risk but his style of play was obvious, Klopp had already implemented Gengenpress). In all of the appointments of these teams, outside of Lampard, no sentiment, simply results and successful playing styles had led to them getting a job. Yet at United, despite raising our noses at the idea of sacking managers, we have not hired managers who have proven that they could manage and coach modern players to play an attractive or successful style of play. Mourinho would be the closest thing to that for us.
 
According to the Guardian, the club follows the advice of Sir Alex Ferguson.

"Ole Gunnar Solskjær will take charge of Manchester United’s game at Tottenham on Saturday after the club followed Sir Alex Ferguson’s advice and gave the manager a chance to turn fortunes around."

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-some-manchester-united-directors-joel-glazer

Yeah and legendary as he is he should never have got involved with managers after his disastrous Moyes selection
 
We’re run on sentiment and hope rather than following a real cast iron plan. Managerial appointments all over the place, transfers all over the place, mixed messaging at all levels, inexperienced coaches, inability to cut the SAF and class of 92 umbilical.

It is changing, it’s just been way too slow.
 
Standards being low is a myth.

We've spent a massive amount of money.

Between SAF and Ole we sacked three managers in five years. Pretty soon Ole will be gone.

None of that ties in with a club accepting mediocrity.

Quality of decisions is a different argument. That can be questioned for sure.
 
Oh come on, the fans just stopped a super league from forming despite all the CEOs wanting it. If the fan base was more vocal like Barca (without the assault) and most other fan bases, he'd be gone.

I'm not downplaying fan involvement in the demise of the Superleague. I'm sure it was a factor and it is definitely a remarkable example of how a united mass of individually weak people can press their agenda against the powerful, however.... in that situation you had some of the most powerful corporations and media conglomerates in the world also completely opposed and using their platforms to halt it.

The idea that fans of United could collectively assemble to force the Glazers to walk away is a totally different proposition. Not only is the system of power completely one sided in that scenario, but many fans are already jaded after their militant opposition to the takeover in the first place was completely ignored by the powers that be.

That's not to say we shouldn't try of course...
 
A multitude of reasons. For me, the most important one is down to us, so as fans we ought to take a look in the mirror as well. Due to this ridiculous motive of wanting to keep hold of the Man United DNA and not be like Chelsea and City, we’ve backed all our managers since Fergie far too long. There were genuinely people who thought and still think Moyes needed time to get his players in and win titles, when in reality, we’d now have Coleman at RB, Fellaini at AM and Baines and Phil Neville as the assistant managers. LvG had the worst Christmas period I’ve ever seen in over a decade supporting United to date, and Mourinho still has a following now, even though the dressing room might well have burnt down had he stayed a week longer. With Ole, I simply don’t see how any of us can back him anymore, although I was silly enough to do so until Villa. What has the plan been for the past 3 years? It’s clear that his team talks hardly go beyond asking players to express themselves and how the Stretty sucks the ball in. Not a dig at the Stretty who support the team endlessly, but the vacuum has really been malfunctioning since early 2020!

Realistically, Moyes should never have been hired, LvG should have been sacked in December 2015, Mourinho in March 2018 after “Football Heritage” and Ole after the first debacle against Spurs last season. It’s what Chelsea and City would have done for continuous improvement, and it’s why they’ve won so much while all we’ve done is fight amongst ourselves since Fergie left.

Then you have reasons like club legends being horribly taken advantage of by the Glazers. You can see from their faces that when the likes of Rio and Gary blindly back Ole, they feel a bit dumb doing so, hence why these usually coherent pundits stutter and contradict themselves far more when talking about their mate. They’re inadvertently playing right into the hands of the admittedly clever cowards running the club, and many fans including me until recently, have been influenced like sheep by the words of these legends. I’ve given Gary a bit of grief on Twitter over the past few days, which I’m not proud of whether he reads my tweets or not, but felt it had to be done as he is helping the Glazers lower standards. Scholes has finally had enough, hence his outburst after the Atalanta game.

The attitude of the managers themselves, aside from Mourinho to an extent as he was simply disrespectful, have been shambolic as well. You’d expect Moyes to say rubbish like ‘we aspire to be like City’, but winners like LvG and Ole have suddenly turned into losers managing us. I’ve never seen two managers try to lower expectations as much as these two. I get irritated every time I hear Ole mention how it’s a crisis every time we lose a game. That’s because we’re the biggest club in the world. If he can’t handle that, then he has to resign. The thing about Conte and Zidane is that they’ve managed at massive clubs and won big things as well (former has referred to himself as a serial winner in public before), so they won’t be resorting to nonsense like this.

Then, you have the Glazers. Smart businessmen, yes, but utter cowards and losers, who are only interested in the top 4 and not trophies. Ole has to go, but the Glazers have to go even more. I’d take 5 more years of Ole to be rid of them.
 
I'm not downplaying fan involvement in the demise of the Superleague. I'm sure it was a factor and it is definitely a remarkable example of how a united mass of individually weak people can press their agenda against the powerful, however.... in that situation you had some of the most powerful corporations and media conglomerates in the world also completely opposed and using their platforms to halt it.

The idea that fans of United could collectively assemble to force the Glazers to walk away is a totally different proposition. Not only is the system of power completely one sided in that scenario, but many fans are already jaded after their militant opposition to the takeover in the first place was completely ignored by the powers that be.

That's not to say we shouldn't try of course...

I don't think you need to force the Glazers to walk away, but fans for other clubs certainly voice their issues with how the club is run far better than united fans. I think it's embarrassing that people were unironically cheering for Ole these past few home games. I don't think it's realistic to force them to sell but it certainly is realistic to force their hand when the club gets into some of the shittier situations (like now).
 
At the heart of the club are finance men, who have worked out the perfect formula for maximizing Man Utd's profitability. Winning the Premier League is probably not on the first page of objectives for these people. The Disneyland reference is pretty apt.
 
I think it’s a huge mixture of thing, but the biggest thing holding us back is our desperation to hold onto the past, nostalgia and some utter codswallop about the Unitee way. We’ve been doing a Liverpool since Fergie stepped down, Ole’s our Roy Evans.
 
He's saying we sacked three managers in the 5 years between SAF and Ole, ie Moyes, LVG and Mourinho between 2013 and 2018. Unless I'm misunderstanding which is of course quite possible.

Yeah, I got it eventually. My bad.
 
He's saying we sacked three managers in the 5 years between SAF and Ole, ie Moyes, LVG and Mourinho between 2013 and 2018. Unless I'm misunderstanding which is of course quite possible.

Yeah that's what I meant. Three sacked in five years isn't owners happy to just bumble along.

Ole's had a good amount of time but we were top of the league at the turn of 2021. How much sooner than now do people think Ole should have been sacked for the owners to prove something?
 
Inept management, inept coaches, amateurs allowed to learn on the job, nepotism and vibes. That's why we have no standards these days and will continue to become an increasingly bigger joke to the footballing world.

Lads it's Tottenham , Scousers living in the past, Chelski and Shitty buying success, and 4senal. --> It's all us now.
 
It comes from the top imo.

The Glazers are not football people, they're only interested in the monetization of the club, not in how many trophies you could win. Your history and spending power keep you in a realistic top 4 challenge with the odd run in the CL, enough to make you still relevant, attract good players and keep at bay the rest of the chasing pack which comparatively does more with much less, and it is enough for them. Not being able to put up a decent fight in the PL against the actual top three who have similar financial means but managers leagues ahead of your own is completely irrelevant for them. As long as there is a good enough financial return, a manager who isn't abrasive and would stand in their way, they have no reason to change anything.

Then you have the mindset of a part of your fanbase which is absolutely sold on the nostalgic "United Way" (whatever that means) pipe dream promised by a MU legend, traumatized by the terrible appointments following SAF and resolutely adverse to any kind of change until it's there's absolutely no way back. It's the hill they chose to die on, and they will defend a great ex-player but a (below) average manager by Utd standards, who will never get a similar job in the PL (or any of the top leagues for that matter), until the bitter end.

That said, the next three games are going to seal OGS's fate. I think that you'll beat the current Tottenham next week and there's no way OGS will go against City the same way he played against Liverpool. Forget that insane 4-2-4, he'll revert to his 4-2-3-1, dropping either Ronaldo or Fernandes (both on the pitch can't and won't work in this case), defending deep and betting on the counter, so you can even expect a result there. Atalanta will be an interesting one.

If he manages to get two decent results from the next three you're stuck with him until the end of the season, imo.
 
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