Yeah, but you'd remember the one who kicked you in the nuts which is what he did when scored in the 90th minute.
Why are average players being bought for huge money this summer?
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Yeah, but you'd remember the one who kicked you in the nuts which is what he did when scored in the 90th minute.
It's not real we're in a simulation
Nketiah is 25 (26 at the end of this season) has scored the same amount of goals as McT (19 each. Nketiah 116 apps vs McT 177 apps) as a striker in what is regarded by most and especially Arsenal fans as an 'excellent setup' and is currently earning £100k p/w. The fact he's going for £30m is complete daylight robbery from an Arsenal perspective, but the striker market is so poor at the minute, players are being overvalued by an obscene amount.
Nothing to do with contract situation, it's just the not so good striker market.
Nketiah price doesn't make any sense in any regard. The only reason he's going for that price is because of the current striker market.
He's not a good player by any stretch of the imagination. He's a bottom half of the table Premier League striker at best, I'd even go as far to say that he's probably more suited to the Championship. He's not technical, his finishing is sub par, hasn't got pace, not good aerially, isn't strong with his back to goal as a hold up player.. there aren't many qualities in his game at all. Which is why a team that will be circling around the relegation plug this year is purchasing him. The only other interest was from Marseille I believe, where RDZ is just purchasing players that have Premier League experience and hoping that it will trump the rest of the plumbers and electricians that play in Ligue 1 (excluding PSG)
Average players have been going for exorbitant fees for the past few years. Don’t think this is something we’re seeing just this season.
Perhaps it’s more pronounced with teams getting around PSR as we saw earlier in the window with certain transfers - Elliott, Minteh, etc.
It’s why I’m always baffled when some posters think we should be lucky to get around £20m for a player like McTominay. A tiny bit of Premier League pedigree can allow you to command what I’d see as a norm figure for a standard PL player now (£30m). Doesn’t necessarily represent value for money on the buyer’s side by it feels like a seller’s market at the moment.
Perhaps it’s more pronounced with teams getting around PSR as we saw earlier in the window with certain transfers - Elliott, Minteh, etc.
It’s why I’m always baffled when some posters think we should be lucky to get around £20m for a player like McTominay. A tiny bit of Premier League pedigree can allow you to command what I’d see as a norm figure for a standard PL player now (£30m). Doesn’t necessarily represent value for money on the buyer’s side by it feels like a seller’s market at the moment.
Nketiah is an England international, so I don’t think he’s the best example for this thread.
Good thread generally though. Ipswich being prepared to pay £30m to Chelsea for Broja if they stay up seems ridiculous. He’s done nothing of note so far in the premier league. Surely they must be going to include some provision as to his own personal performance in that regard?
Good thread generally though. Ipswich being prepared to pay £30m to Chelsea for Broja if they stay up seems ridiculous. He’s done nothing of note so far in the premier league. Surely they must be going to include some provision as to his own personal performance in that regard?
Is he?
Yeah made his debut last year.
Who is Sepp van de Berg
I remember a year ago when Tim Sherwood said United should've signed Nketiah instead of Hojlund and he could play in any top team. Genuinely think he is a mid table player at best.
Amazed Chelsea may potentially get £30m for Broja, think he has looked awful.
Amazed Chelsea may potentially get £30m for Broja, think he has looked awful.
Tim Sherwood is a fecking gobshite.
Nketiah's price doesn't surprise me too much. That's not saying it's good value either, just seems to be about the norm these days.
He's somewhere between a 12-15 goal a season striker for me if the main man, but so are Wood and Awoniyi who cost Forest £15m and £17m. Wood was 31 when they signed him and 29 when he went to Newcastle for £25m, so similar output for a 25 year old for circa £30m wouldn't be too far out of line. The thing I'd question is if they need him if they have those 2. What's the actual point?
I hadn't heard of Van der Berg, but apparently Leverkusen were showing interest after his loan move to Mainz last season. Mind you, if he was that good would think he'd be in contention for a place in the Liverpool squad instead or as well as Quansah.
He's somewhere between a 12-15 goal a season striker for me if the main man, but so are Wood and Awoniyi who cost Forest £15m and £17m. Wood was 31 when they signed him and 29 when he went to Newcastle for £25m, so similar output for a 25 year old for circa £30m wouldn't be too far out of line. The thing I'd question is if they need him if they have those 2. What's the actual point?
I hadn't heard of Van der Berg, but apparently Leverkusen were showing interest after his loan move to Mainz last season. Mind you, if he was that good would think he'd be in contention for a place in the Liverpool squad instead or as well as Quansah.
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Have to look at where Nketiah and Broja are going too. To Forest and Ipswich. Two teams with very real relegation fears. Goals win games, and wins means points. Most promoted teams really struggle to score enough goals, especially in games against other bottom half teams where their survival is generally decided. Given how much it is worth to stay in the PL, it’s hardly surprising these teams are willing to pay a premium for players who have the potential to score the goals they need to stay up, especially in those bottom half games. If they go down, and those players have scored even a moderate amount of goals, they’ll be able to resell them for more or less what they bought them for, or more even. And if they stay and rack up huge numbers in the championship, they’ll either help them go right back up or they’ll be able to sell them again at a profit.
He was the main man for the first half of the season for Arsenal last year due to Jesus' injury and Arteta still trying to find a spot for Havertz. In his entire career in the Prem, he has scored 19 goals, so for you to assume he'll score 12-15 is pretty bold. Especially when the team he's signing for will be circling the relegation plug.
Think you're overegging the first half of the season thing, he started 9 games and also had a 45 minute sub appearance in that first half of the season.
I might be overegging things myself but I was trying to extrapolate numbers a little.
Those 19 goals have come from 3955 minutes. So that's 1 every 208.
A main man doesn't play all 3420 available minutes, more like 2800 a season if staying injury free. 2800/208 = 13.5 a season. It's usually easier to score off the bench to be fair, and a big chunk of Nketiah's minutes were from the bench so I'd need to consider that.
However, while Forest are worse than Arsenal, a higher percentage of the chances go to their central strikers than do at Arsenal. Wood's xG/90 at Forest is better than Gabriel Jesus and Havertz at Arsenal. Awoniyi's is similar to Havertz's. They do create chances for whoever is playing centrally.
Taking a bit of a punt that he can get on the end of as many chances as Wood or Awoniyi but if he did there's no massive reason not to think he'd return those kind of those numbers if playing 2500+ minutes. Those 2 players would already have done that if getting those minutes for Forest.
Wood got 14 last season so already did from much fewer minutes, only 1700-odd although that was a particularly good season. Still, if he performed worse & played more he could still easily make 12-15. Awoniyi scored 6 from just over 1000, 10 from 1426 the season before so he's on 16 from 2500 minutes over 2 seasons himself. That's why I'm surprised they're going for Nketiah because I think they already have those kind of returns from Wood or Awoniyi if they stayed fit and played one of them as much as possible. Still, I do think Nketiah could get there as well.
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Nketiah has scored 19 goals and has 5 assists in 4096 minutes in the Premier League. That's 45-46 full matches worth of playtime. You're trying to paint a false picture here. He's played much, much less than 116 full appearances. He's definitely worth 35m and can easily mean the difference between staying up and getting relegated for Forest.
I was going to ask the same. Apparently Liverpool have sold him for £25m!
It's generally easier than buying good players for average amounts of money.
Nketiah has a very good record for england u21, he will suit better for counter attacking team. Arsenal play more possessional football and Havertz suits us better. Also striker market is poverty at the moment making it more expensive.
Leicester are signing 33 yr old Jordan Ayew for 8m.
Leicester are signing 33 yr old Jordan Ayew for 8m.
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If he performs really well (big if) he could be resold in two years for more than 30m, at 27 which is a good age.
If McT performs really well the next two years then he'll be 29 and have less resale value because that's not such a good age.
If one group of people have 100 apples between them and the other groups all have about 10-20 apples to trade for oranges, the group with 100 apples will end up trading more apples between themselves than the groups with less apples, when you take into account that the oranges they are trading for are orange-land proven tasty quality. I think this trend might lead to enhanced orange scouting from other lands.
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It seems that Brentford have replaced Bournemouth as Liverpools new biatches. Unbelieveable transfer fees, fair play to Liverpool though.
If they get a Solanke standard player then they won't be complaining
Underrated post this.
Well I am glad it's not us for once who do these transfers. But unfortunately we can't sell our players for big money either.
Madness. 20m for a reserve player.Nope
He turned down Bayer Leverkusen to join Brentford, so must have showed something while on loan.
Football is just business these days.
Why are team willing to pay the like of Chelsea Arsenal and Liverpool huge fee for inferior players while no teams are willing to pay even reasonable fees for Man Utd players?
We sell the starting XI of Uruguary at 5M!
We sell the starting XI of Uruguary at 5M!
So you're saying we should buy Dutch?
and let's be honest if vdberg is a United player he will be sold at less than half of that value.
Are you forgetting that everyone back then were scratching their heads over that Ibe transfer
If Nketiah played for us we'd be selling him for 6 million and a bag of pick n' mix
For a 21-year old Bundesliga defender who seems to have had a very decent season for a midtable club there, so if you frame it like that it's really not that special.
It does seem being a half way decent footballing team impacts on the value of reserve players. For example people assume players who can't get in to the man city squad are still good whereas anyone who can't get into ours is nediocre
To prove our point we can do a comparison between actual values of players sold be Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool vs us this summer and their transfermarkt valuation (just for reference, know that by no means I mean their valuation is accurate), excluding players with contract terminated or released players:
(name (age) - actual value sold - transfermarkt valuation)
Chelsea
- Ian Maatsen (22) - 44.5M - 40M
- Conor Gallagher (24) - 50M - 42M
- Lewis Hall (19) - 33M - 18M
- Omari Hutchinson (20) - 23.5M - 7M
- Diego Moreira (20) - 2M - 3M
- Ziyech (31) - 0M - 9M
Chelsea recouped 153M from players of estimated market value 119M (sold 29% above market value)
Arsenal sold Emile Smith Rowe (24) at 40M whose estimated market value is 22M (sold 81% above market value)
Liverpool
- Sepp van den Berg (22) - 23.6M - 12M
- Fábio Carvalho (21) - 23.4M - 14M
- Bobby Clark (19) - 14M - 1M
Liverpool recouped 61M from players of estimated market value 27M (sold 126% above market value)
Man Utd
- Greenwood (22) - 26M - 25M
- awb (26) - 17.6M - 20M
- Willy Kambwala (19) - 10M - 5M
- Facundo Pellistri (22) - 6M - 10M
- Álvaro Carreras (19) - 6M - 7M
- vdb (27) - 0.5M - 5M
We recouped 66M from players worth 72M (sold 8% below market value)
(name (age) - actual value sold - transfermarkt valuation)
Chelsea
- Ian Maatsen (22) - 44.5M - 40M
- Conor Gallagher (24) - 50M - 42M
- Lewis Hall (19) - 33M - 18M
- Omari Hutchinson (20) - 23.5M - 7M
- Diego Moreira (20) - 2M - 3M
- Ziyech (31) - 0M - 9M
Chelsea recouped 153M from players of estimated market value 119M (sold 29% above market value)
Arsenal sold Emile Smith Rowe (24) at 40M whose estimated market value is 22M (sold 81% above market value)
Liverpool
- Sepp van den Berg (22) - 23.6M - 12M
- Fábio Carvalho (21) - 23.4M - 14M
- Bobby Clark (19) - 14M - 1M
Liverpool recouped 61M from players of estimated market value 27M (sold 126% above market value)
Man Utd
- Greenwood (22) - 26M - 25M
- awb (26) - 17.6M - 20M
- Willy Kambwala (19) - 10M - 5M
- Facundo Pellistri (22) - 6M - 10M
- Álvaro Carreras (19) - 6M - 7M
- vdb (27) - 0.5M - 5M
We recouped 66M from players worth 72M (sold 8% below market value)
That player chelsea were going to pay 30mill plus is now signed for porto for 12.7mill. Hmmm
There's a massive sell-on attached IIRC.
I dont think 20/30 million is 'huge money' anymore.
We are pretty screwed by massive contracts. An average player with a high salary normally requires some negotiation on the fee to move them on.
In the case of Greenwood it's obviously a completely different situation.