Why are average players being bought for huge money this summer?

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Just in the last two days two Ornstein tweets. A made up player who doesn’t exist swapping Liverpool for Brentford for huge money. And some bloke who Arsenal haven’t played since 2020 going to Forest for huge money

It’s the theme of this window and I don’t understand why it’s happening

And then there’s the debate of why nobody signs our made up players for anything. Or why we don’t make up players to sell.

A lot to unpack so I thought I’d start this lively thread which will surely get to 10 pages of excellent debate



 
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LawCharltonBest said:
Just in the last two days two Ornstein tweets. A made up player who doesn’t exist swapping Liverpool for Brentford for huge money. And some bloke who Arsenal haven’t played since 2020 going to Forest for huge money

It’s the theme of this window and I don’t understand why it’s happening

And then there’s the debate of why nobody signs our made up players for anything. Or why we don’t make up players to sell.

A lot to unpack so I thought I’d start this lively thread which will surely get to 10 pages of excellent debate
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Can you link tweets in the OP, please bud?

I know there was a little bit of "shenanigans" at the start of the window with some inflated sales going on between Newcastle, Villa (i think?) and another club - probably to help with PSR. But yeah, Chelsea and City - plus a few other clubs seem to sell for exorbitant prices for players who have yet to prove anything at PL level.

But yeah, dont know the latest players you're referring to.
 
RobinLFC said:
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Completely made up players. Especially that Liverpool one. It's just a bunch of random dutch words and he's never played football before
 
Ish said:
Can you link tweets in the OP, please bud?

I know there was a little bit of "shenanigans" at the start of the window with some inflated sales going on between Newcastle, Villa (i think?) and another club - probably to help with PSR. But yeah, Chelsea and City - plus a few other clubs seem to sell for exorbitant prices for players who have yet to prove anything at PL level.

But yeah, dont know the latest players you're referring to.
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Could understand non-Liverpool fans not having heard of van den Berg but Nketiah played and scored for Arsenal as recently as last season I believe, every FPL player knows him fairly well so hardly players "nobody has heard of".

I'd also say £20m is basically the minimum limit for a young PL player going to another PL team. We sold Jordon Ibe to Bournemouth for €18m eight years ago.
 
Not sure if you're on the wind up or not but I'll take it that you're not.

Carvalho - He hasn't done much in the Premier League since he joined Liverpool a couple of years ago and they basically loaned him out since he arrived.

Nketiah - This guy is pony and is better suited to a team like Forest. He came through the Chelsea/Arsenal academy and promoted to the senior squad during Emery's tenure. He's certainly not good enough for a top 10 side that's for sure and I've had this debate with plenty of Arsenal fans over the last two years, to which of course they disagreed, because they're the most bias and tinted glass wearing fans in the country. Anyway, turns out I was right as he's off to a team that's in contention to be relegated this year. His price point comes from the fact that the striker market is more or less non existent at the moment. I mean Ipswich have signed Broja on loan and are currently configuring an option to buy at the end of the season which is worth £30m, which is absolutely absurd for a player that has had next to no minutes in the Prem (66 apps, 29 starts, 2800mins played) and has scored a whopping total of 8 goals.
 
RobinLFC said:




Could understand non-Liverpool fans not having heard of van den Berg but Nketiah played and scored for Arsenal as recently as last season I believe, every FPL player knows him fairly well so hardly players "nobody has heard of".

I'd also say £20m is basically the minimum limit for a young PL player going to another PL team. We sold Jordon Ibe to Bournemouth for €18m eight years ago.
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Nketharrt who AI have assaigned to Arsenal is 25 years old and doesn't play football any more. Very hard to justify a £35m package for him, but they'll pay it. Baffles me.

We'd probably struggle to get that for Garnacho who is younger, better and importantly, real.
 
RobinLFC said:




Could understand non-Liverpool fans not having heard of van den Berg but Nketiah played and scored for Arsenal as recently as last season I believe, every FPL player knows him fairly well so hardly players "nobody has heard of".

I'd also say £20m is basically the minimum limit for a young PL player going to another PL team. We sold Jordon Ibe to Bournemouth for €18m eight years ago.
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It must be nice to live in a world where selling average youth players for £20m is an option. As United fans, we’re happy when we get £500k and a sell-on clause.
 
There have definitely been more Football Manager regens moving around this summer and it has nothing at all to do with me getting older, definitely.


Omari Kellyman, Renato Veiga, Marc Guiu, Chadi Riad, Aaron Anselmino, Savio, Leny Yoro, Liam Delap, William Osula, Rodrigo Gomes, each and every one of them regen names of the highest order.
 
Doracle said:
It must be nice to live in a world where selling average youth players for £20m is an option. As United fans, we’re happy when we get £500k and a sell-on clause.
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To be honest I didn't even know he was loaned out to Schalke and Mainz the last two seasons - but 33 out of 34 appearances alongside 3 goals for a midtable team in the Bundesliga isn't too bad for a 21-22 year old CB. Better to sell him now when another PL team still believes that he really might be something good, than to play him and make the world realize he's probably quite average indeed. Which is essentially what you did with all players you are trying to get rid of this summer :D

Van den Berg's previous club in The Netherlands has a 15% sell-on clause by the way. So a few millions will be going their way, which is great news for them as they were in financial hardship before.
 
This did cause me to look up Jordan Ibe. 28 years old and a free agent, having last played for Ebbsfleet United. Looks like he’s struggled somewhat having never lived up to that incredible initial transfer fee.
 
I was familiar with Nketiah and still think that a club willing to spend 25m for him is stupid despite the inflated market. The Liverpool one is just
:lol::lol::lol:. Fair play to them if they managed to fleeced another PL club for 20m for their youngins.

Just that I couldn't even imagine if we can even managed to sell our youngins for 10m let alone 20m. I refuse to believe its even possible.
 
A lot of these teams have over-inflated squads, especially the top teams and they need to cull the size - see Chelsea. For smaller teams, it's sometimes worth a punt on these lesser known talents who might turn into the next Solanke or something. They're not bad players, I rate Nketiah but he's obviously not as good as Havertz, Jesus etc so he's very unlikely to get EPL game time. If you're a Fulham, Brentford type team and you cant spend £80mil on a top striker then you naturally go for second or third best.
 
Nkeitah was supposedly a generational talent. 90's generation that is.
 
RobinLFC said:




Could understand non-Liverpool fans not having heard of van den Berg but Nketiah played and scored for Arsenal as recently as last season I believe, every FPL player knows him fairly well so hardly players "nobody has heard of".

I'd also say £20m is basically the minimum limit for a young PL player going to another PL team. We sold Jordon Ibe to Bournemouth for €18m eight years ago.
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Howsit bud! Yeah agree re those two player - Nketiah being an odd example to bring up. You're right about van den Berg though - never heard of him and I think definitely an inflated fee/risky signing. Has he even had any minutes for your first team in the PL?

I guess the confusion for United fans is that we can barely get more then 5m for a Uruguayan international :lol:, nor the 25m we want for McTominay. But I guess there are a few other factors to take into account which I won't try and go into now.
 
Ish said:
Howsit bud! Yeah agree re those two player - Nketiah being an odd example to bring up. You're right about van den Berg though - never heard of him and I think definitely an inflated fee/risky signing. Has he even had any minutes for your first team in the PL?
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Nope :cool:
 
mu4c_20le said:
Genuinely thought you were talking about ESR. Who people actually believed in with their fantasy team.
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Yeah this has been confusing me over the past couple of weeks reading about people hyping him up and basically suggesting that he is a no brainer for your FPL team this season. I'm not sure how they've came to that conclusion but I'll just assume that they're Arsenal fans and they see ESR as the second coming of Zidane, just as they did with Wilshere, Ramsey etc.

Speaking of those players (Yes I know Wilshere suffered with injuries) where did they actually end up in their careers from the age of 27 onwards? Pure football eritage'
 
How can people not know who Nketiah is?
Has to be a wind up.
Never heard of the Liverpool one to be fair.
 
Nketiah scored a winner against United so anyone who hasnt heard about him is self reporting that they dont watch our games
 
RobinLFC said:
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Well, Nketiah has appeared in a lot of games for Arsenal in the last two/three season and also started against us last season. So, it is a bit weird to mention him as an "unknown".
 
Nketiah has made nearly 80 league appearances for Arsenal over the last three seasons and scored 5 or so goals a season.

I get that they were mostly sub appearances but even still, if you catch Arsenal games even semi-regularly you'll have seen him.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
The fees that Liverpool got for Carvalho and now van den Berg are crazy
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Is it just clubs believe that subs of teams doing well are better? Why are these players going for so much? It's a bit mind boggling.

Btw, Chelsea sold another one of their youth team players to Burnley for around 15m incl. add-ons today. :rolleyes:
 
December_16 said:
Armando Broja is another one. Going to Ipswich for £30m (all in, etc but whatever). Like wtf. Who is even he?
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Looked really good for Southampton a couple of years ago before disappearing off the face of the Earth.
 
Definitely think it's a combination of club reputation and timing.

When we were top dogs under Fergie, even our youth or squad players (and assistant managers!) carried a cache and teams were looking at them as attainable players coming from a well oiled machine and likely to carry that DNA with them, etc.

Now, that baton seems to have been passed on to City. And even Liverpool and Chelsea have this reputation that their youngsters will come with a strong pedigree and likely to be hits.

All those clubs also seem to make better choices with loans, and look to sell their youth players when their stock is high and they can get inflated fees for players they've never selected.

Of course, the latter is helped with Chelsea and City by the fact that it's a deliberate tactic and always the end goal to sell them - whereas we seem to keep them longer to give them the most chance of developing later and breaking through into the first team (or we just dither and don't make our minds up over what to do at the right time!)

It also helps City that they seem to own half the bloody clubs in the sport so they can loan them to a place that plays them and has the same motivation (developing the player for future sale).

Whereas our loans generally don't work out. And our reputation of underperforming and being poorly run over the last decade is maybe changing teams attitudes on taking expensive gambles on the young players we're happy to offload? Hopefully that will change once INEOS has had more time to change that perception.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
The fees that Liverpool got for Carvalho and now van den Berg are crazy
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Got some mad fee’s last season too. I genuinely struggle with it. These aren’t good players

Ekeke said:
Nketiah scored a winner against United so anyone who hasnt heard about him is self reporting that they dont watch our games
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A player who has scored a winner against United… yeah that narrows it down to about 25 players last season alone
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Got some mad fee’s last season too. I genuinely struggle with it. These aren’t good players


A player who has scored a winner against United… yeah that narrows it down to about 25 players last season alone
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Yes. 25 premier league players. If you cant remember 25 premier league players you should see a doctor
 
Nketiah is absolutely not a nobody.

That Liverpool kid? Never heard of him before the recent news. Who the feck is he?
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Got some mad fee’s last season too. I genuinely struggle with it. These aren’t good players
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Yeah that's the thing - what are these players actually showing to be worth this much? Carvalho was bought by Liverpool for £5m and has literally done nothing in the last 2 years for his value to increase by 500%.
 
Ekeke said:
Yes. 25 premier league players. If you cant remember 25 premier league players you should see a doctor
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If you lined up the last 25 people you’ve shaken hands with, you wouldn’t remember all of them

Anyway you are missing the point of the thread like many others. It isn’t about that fake Arsenal players. There are plenty more examples of nothing players moving for huge money this summer
 
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