Who's off and how much will we get?

Pexbo said:
Complete myth.

When a player is sold without putting a transfer request in, they are entitled to a compensation fee based on the remainder of their contract.

You don't just offer a player a 5 year contract for £100,000 a week and decide to sell him to someone a year later who is only offering him £60k and say "phew thank god we don't have to pay him the rest of his contract".
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Nice for the player, but it doesn't help much in persuading a new club to cough up the wages demanded (unless, as I say, the transfer fee is vey low)
 
GlastonSpur said:
Nice for the player, but it doesn't help much in persuading a new club to cough up the wages demanded (unless, as I say, the transfer fee is vey low)
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You're missing the point.

If a player had 4 years left on his contract at £80,000 a week and he's moving to a club that can only offer him £40,000 a week the selling club is liable to compensate the player the difference for the remainder of his contract and it's sometimes more than that based on his transfer fee too.

In monetary terms terms the player doesn't lose out what he had already agreed so it doesn't really make a difference what other clubs is offering him, it's up to the selling club to decide whether the financial package suits them. If other clubs are offering him less than he wants beyond the period he has with his current club then that's tough shit for him as he'd be earning nothing after his contract if he chose to stay and rot in the reserves.
 
Pexbo said:
You're missing the point.

If a player had 4 years left on his contract at £80,000 a week and he's moving to a club that can only offer him £40,000 a week the selling club is liable to compensate the player the difference for the remainder of his contract and it's sometimes more than that based on his transfer fee too.

In monetary terms terms the player doesn't lose out what he had already agreed so it doesn't really make a difference what other clubs is offering him, it's up to the selling club to decide whether the financial package suits them. If other clubs are offering him less than he wants beyond the period he has with his current club then that's tough shit for him as he'd be earning nothing after his contract if he chose to stay and rot in the reserves.
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So, in the example you've given, just to offload the player MUFC pay out £40k x 52 x 4 = £8.3m. So when this pay-out sum is subtracted from any transfer fee received, in effect it means the same thing as what I've said ... namely that the club can likely offload the player only if the transfer fee (in this case the net-effect fee) is very low.
 
Evans £4m
Chicharito £5m
De Gea £20m
 
GlastonSpur said:
Your rationale is not convincing. As I've said, I'd be surprised if you managed to move on most of these players unless you offer them for very little. That's the downside of paying them far higher wages than most clubs would or could.
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Jesus Christ you literally never budge an inch on anything do you?

5m is very little for players aged just 24 and 27 who have 3 league winners medals each and 100+ league appearances for Manchester United. I don't know how much you mean by very little if you don't specify amounts.

For the record, Kyle Walker earns almost as much as Rafael. And Kyle Walker is shit. And Spurs are shit. And you are talking shit. Spurs regularly spend 10m+ on absolute dross, 5m for players of Evans or Rafael's calibre would be a great deal for any club outside the top 4.
 
Shows how much progress we've made under Van Gaal that at the end of last season the media and the Caf were full of muppets who wanted us to offload half the squad, whereas now most seem sensibly to be expecting the loanees to get permanent moves away, and maybe one or two notable underperformers (Van Persie, maybe Evans, Rafael's fragile skeleton) to be shipped out, and not much else.

Importantly, though not all of last summer's bumper crop have fulfilled expectations yet, none of them have been so poor that people want them gone (see Liverpool, Spurs). Everyone loves Herrera, most at the very least like Blind and Rojo, Shaw has been promising and just needs to shake off injury issues. Di Maria has been the most disappointing, but only relative to his price tag and very high expectations. He's shown good signs, on and off, and has statistically done quite well for a player who's been consigned to the bench for half the season - third highest assist-maker in the league, for example. So most rightly expect an improvement next season when he's more settled.

The only one most people want to ditch is the one who we only brought in on loan. Someone was using his head.
 
Rowem said:
Jesus Christ you literally never budge an inch on anything do you?

5m is very little for players aged just 24 and 27 who have 3 league winners medals each and 100+ league appearances for Manchester United. I don't know how much you mean by very little if you don't specify amounts.

For the record, Kyle Walker earns almost as much as Rafael. And Kyle Walker is shit. And Spurs are shit. And you are talking shit. Spurs regularly spend 10m+ on absolute dross, 5m for players of Evans or Rafael's calibre would be a great deal for any club outside the top 4.
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I'm not talking about just Evans and Rafael. I originally also mentioned several other players and made a simple point that I suspect many agree with, namely that the transfer fees (or else the net-effect transfer fees) will likely have to be very low, given the wages involved, for buying clubs to be interested. If you think that point is "shit", then fair enough ... we can revisit this at the end of the summer window and see what's happened. But I don't see the likes of Spurs or Liverpool being interested in any of the players concerned, and I think you greatly under-estimate how tight money is at most other clubs in the Prem and across Europe outside the CL.

Here's another perspective on the wages issue and the related question of buyer-demand if player X is put up for sale: Bentaleb, who has been one of the main players in Spurs midfield this season, earns 20k per week in his current contract.

PS. For reasons best known to yourself, your responses have also included a series of silly and irrelevant comments about Spurs.
 
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This is one of the biggest WUM threads of all time. No-one spouting bargain basement prices in here could be a United fan.. lol, good one lads!
 
Kroos went to Real last year for about £20m, I could see DDG going for similar. I don't see us getting more than £10m for anyone else, probably not even close. None of the players leaving are coming off good seasons, most off multiple poor seasons in a row.
 
My guess:
(*All prices are in Euros)

De Gea: 25m-30m
Nani: 10m-12m
Hernandez: 10m-12m
Evans: 15m
Rafael: 8m-10m

My wish:

Fellaini: 20m-22m
Valencia: 10m-12m
Nani: 10m-12m
Hernandez: 10m-12m
Rojo: 15m
 
Insanity said:
My guess:
(*All prices are in Euros)

De Gea: 25m-30m
Nani: 10m-12m
Hernandez: 10m-12m
Evans: 15m
Rafael: 8m-10m

My wish:

Fellaini: 20m-22m
Valencia: 10m-12m
Nani: 10m-12m
Hernandez: 10m-12m
Rojo: 15m
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We can hope that we get something reasonable from Madrid for DDG but I suspect they may have come in low & then tell DDG they can't agree a fee, we'll do it next year, (for free).

As to the rest, WOW!

Nani: 10m-12m
Hernandez: 10m-12m
Evans: 15m
Rafael: 8m-10m - who might pay these amounts? Every Club out there knows we want rid of these players.
 
Brightonian said:
Shows how much progress we've made under Van Gaal that at the end of last season the media and the Caf were full of muppets who wanted us to offload half the squad, whereas now most seem sensibly to be expecting the loanees to get permanent moves away, and maybe one or two notable underperformers (Van Persie, maybe Evans, Rafael's fragile skeleton) to be shipped out, and not much else.

Importantly, though not all of last summer's bumper crop have fulfilled expectations yet, none of them have been so poor that people want them gone (see Liverpool, Spurs). Everyone loves Herrera, most at the very least like Blind and Rojo, Shaw has been promising and just needs to shake off injury issues. Di Maria has been the most disappointing, but only relative to his price tag and very high expectations. He's shown good signs, on and off, and has statistically done quite well for a player who's been consigned to the bench for half the season - third highest assist-maker in the league, for example. So most rightly expect an improvement next season when he's more settled.

The only one most people want to ditch is the one who we only brought in on loan. Someone was using his head.
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The thread asked who you think would go, and not who you want (or think should) go. I think if the latter was the case then players like Young, Fellaini and Valencia might still be on the list regardless of what progress van Gaal has made in reviving their careers.
 
De Gea £23
Lindegaard 0.5
Amos Free
Rafael £5m
Evans £6m
Thorpe £0.5
Cleverley Free
Nani £7.5
Henriquez £1m
Powell £1.5m
Hernandez 5m
van Persie £5
W Keane £0.5
ADM 37
Mata 20
 
Nozzy said:
We can hope that we get something reasonable from Madrid for DDG but I suspect they may have come in low & then tell DDG they can't agree a fee, we'll do it next year, (for free).

As to the rest, WOW!

Nani: 10m-12m
Hernandez: 10m-12m
Evans: 15m
Rafael: 8m-10m - who might pay these amounts? Every Club out there knows we want rid of these players.
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Euros, buddy. With the exchange rate of around 0.7, 7m-8.5m pounds isn't that much for Nani and Hernandez. 10m for Evans with the British tax and 5.5m-7m for Rafael? I think they are reasonable prices.
 
Insanity said:
Euros, buddy. With the exchange rate of around 0.7, 7m-8.5m pounds isn't that much for Nani and Hernandez. 10m for Evans with the British tax and 5.5m-7m for Rafael? I think they are reasonable prices.
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I asked who might pay these amounts? Have we had a single offer? Clubs aren't going to pay zip IMO, when they know we have surplus players - see Cleverly last summer.
 
Nozzy said:
I asked who might pay these amounts? Have we had a single offer? Clubs aren't going to pay zip IMO, when they know we have surplus players - see Cleverly last summer.
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Well, that I don't know. I am sure there are clubs that can use these players.

The Cleverley case was a bit different because VG was new and was still evaluating players till very late. I am sure we would have got a decent amount for him if we decided to sell at the beginning of the summer. The situation with outgoing players will be different this time; the decisions have already been made, as per VG anyway.
 
De Gea £29m
Lindegaard £3m
Amos Free
Rafael £6m
Evans £8m
Thorpe Free (Stupid of the club not to give him a chance)
Cleverley Free
Powell £1m
Nani £9m
Falcao End of Loan
Van Persie £4m
Hernandez £10m
Henriquez £2m

Also hope Fellaini goes as well, he has done ok at times this season but he will never be a Utd player in my eyes, I would sell for a bid of over £8m which is a huge loss.
 
Insanity said:
Well, that I don't know. I am sure there are clubs that can use these players.

The Cleverley case was a bit different because VG was new and was still evaluating players till very late. I am sure we would have got a decent amount for him if we decided to sell at the beginning of the summer. The situation with outgoing players will be different this time; the decisions have already been made, as per VG anyway.
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I'm trying to put names to faces, from yesteryear, who stuck around for years, long after they stopped being picked to play. Neil Webb springs to mind - sure there have been other classic cases. That's my fear.
 
RedMilo said:
Also hope Fellaini goes as well, he has done ok at times this season but he will never be a Utd player in my eyes, I would sell for a bid of over £8m which is a huge loss.
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I've been a big Fellaini critic but as long as he remains a bench option, i.e. we sign a top striker & get back to playing with pace, he can provide a useful option - in tight games he may prove the difference in a getting a decent Champions league last 8 run. No Chief Exec. would accept £8m for him.
 
RedMilo said:
De Gea £29m
Lindegaard £3m
Amos Free
Rafael £6m
Evans £8m
Thorpe Free (Stupid of the club not to give him a chance)
Cleverley Free
Powell £1m
Nani £9m
Falcao End of Loan
Van Persie £4m
Hernandez £10m
Henriquez £2m

Also hope Fellaini goes as well, he has done ok at times this season but he will never be a Utd player in my eyes, I would sell for a bid of over £8m which is a huge loss.
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I doubt Fellaini would go so cheap or even at all but the others seem quite realistic, if we can get almost 75m - 100m euros in sales we could surely spend double that amount with no problems even excluding the Depay purchase. A big cut on wages too.
 
De Gea £17.5m though this may get inflated if we pay an inflated price for one of their players
Rafael £5m (last year of his contract so not much hope of getting a decent amount)
Evans £7.5m
Hernandez £7.5m

Powell, Lindergard, Lingaard, Keane, Henriquez, Varela, Thorpe all together maybe £5m

all in all around £42.5

I don't see Nani or RVP being sold due to their wages
 
De Gea 20m (still not sure, could leave 2016 for free too)
Rafael 4m
Evans 5m
Nani 7m
Hernandez 8-9m
van Persie 5-6m

Pretty much nothing for other players like Lindegaard or Powell.
 
Steven Seagull said:
Good to see Glastoncunt has blown the dust off his keyboard to tell us how everyone wants Fazio but not for less than £74m. Must be summer.
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I see that your usual style of posting - abusive and stupid - hasn't changed.
 
Nozzy said:
If we get over £3m for Rafa, I'll eat Paddy Ashdowns hat. Who's going to buy him, even for £3m?
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Exactly. People quoting 8-10million, which is ridiculous. He will end up going for 'undisclosed' aka about 2million.
 
Get In Scholesy said:
Seems like everyone sells players based on 'modern day prices' but when we sell we sell players for peanuts. It's quite odd.
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You have to look at it situationally. We sell players because they aren't good enough, or their careers have been hampered by injury, and not because a bigger club has come looking for talent.
 
Don't really care how much they sell for, I just want them gone....quickly.
 
Nani - 12m
De Gea - 30m
Hernandez - 10m
Cleverley - 0m
Evans - 5m
Van Persie - 8m
Rafael - 6m

Total: 71m
Not bad actually. Steals for all of those players for the other buyer though.
 
shabadu84 said:
Kroos went to Real last year for about £20m, I could see DDG going for similar. I don't see us getting more than £10m for anyone else, probably not even close. None of the players leaving are coming off good seasons, most off multiple poor seasons in a row.
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This was due to an understanding between both clubs.
 
See a lot of people saying Van Persie will go for a fee about £8million. Can't see that myself, he will go on a free or next to nothing as we will just want him off the wage budget. Plus RVP is still going to want high wages so by lowering the fee he can get those still.
 
Matty7 said:
See a lot of people saying Van Persie will go for a fee about £8million. Can't see that myself, he will go on a free or next to nothing as we will just want him off the wage budget. Plus RVP is still going to want high wages so by lowering the fee he can get those still.
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It'll be the same for Nani I expect.
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
Don't really care how much they sell for, I just want them gone....quickly.
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I think they will, Sir Alex tended to hang on to under performing players for some reason, I don't get that from Van Gaal.

I do feel we will generate a decent amount of cash from outgoings, but the main thing for me is the amount freed up off the wage bill.
 
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