Who was worse - Rangnick or Ole?

[Forevergiggs1]

Ole had a disaster this season, but the couple of seasons prior were really good, at times. We were outstanding on the counter and for the most time, looked like we were going to score.

Rangnick, on the other hand, spoke well but never backed it up. I didn't see any form of structural pressing, and the counter attacking threat that we once had was non-existent. We very rarely looked like we were going to score and just looked so disjointed in attack. Apparently, we need a new squad to be able to do that, though.

All in all, it has to be Rangnick. Excuse after excuse and piss poor results.

I have to say it's very hard to score playing without forwards. Once we lost the cnut we had to depend on a diabolical Rashford, a player getting used to the Premier league, a player hardly ever fit for selection, a 19 year old novice and Ronaldo. Can't you see the problems that could arise from that situation. Other than an out of form Bruno where else are the goals coming from?

I don't think it's too hard either to understand why we looked so disjointed under Ralf. Ole had the team set up as a counter attacking side and when we signed Ronaldo and Sancho he was expected to play a different way and failed at it miserably because we don't have any technical players. If Ole couldn't do it with it being a squad he put together then what chance had Ralf without making a single signing and missing his front line for the majority of his tenure?

 

[R'hllor]

Please list all transfers in and out to let us know how you get 300 mil lost and wasted, item by item.

Nah, not gonna waste my time, bet Brickhead the captain, AWB the Spiderman that we trying to sell now for 2 packs of Twix, no more than 5min VDB etc. all are stellar buys. Thats almost 200mil only in those 3.

 

[InspiRED]

Yeah, ofcourse its a meaningless comparison. That's why I wanted answers from those who thought it was meaningful as they were making that specific comparison based on that specific basis.

Fair enough. Well ETHs gonna have a preseason and also likely have control of some signings as well as some players long term futures. So really the only ones we can just about compare are Ole and ETH with RR his own distinct quantity as an interim mid season hire All in all i'm not even excusing or supporting RR who ultimately failed, pretty abjectly. But no ETH hitting the ground running doesn't prove Ole was a better manager.for me.

 

[city-puma]

Nah, not gonna waste my time, bet Brickhead the captain, AWB the Spiderman that we trying to sell now for 2 packs of Twix, no more than 5min VDB etc. all are stellar buys. Thats almost 200mil only in those 3.

Ok. You think Maguire and AWB are completely trash and haven’t help us even a little and they worth zero. I now understand how you analyze things.
Btw, 80+50+30=160, far from 200. Just point it out. What about the other 140 mils?

 

[stevoc]

Rangnick can't be held accountable for a team he had absolutely no part in creating. It was built in part by Ole, Jose and LVG, with the former having the most influence on it. Thus, Ole comes off far worse.

How is this even a contest?

Looking at the first post it's a question on who was worse just based on this season though surely. In that context both were woefully bad.

Solskjaer 17 games

Ranknick 29-30 games

 

[dan1509]

Ole and its not even close. He set us back years in terms of our rebuild to win the premier league. Ragnick inherited his squad of overrated dross (AWB, McFred, Rashford, Martial, Shaw, Telles...and many more) and was given no backing in the January transfer window despite pleading for the likes of Luis Diaz. If only that PSG game never occurred, and we instead appointed a legitimate manager. Fortunately, we have one now in Ten Hag.

Ok. You think Maguire and AWB are completely trash and haven’t help us even a little and they worth zero. I now understand how you analyze things.
Btw, 80+50+30=150, far from 200. Just point it out. What about the other 150 mils?

He is obviously exaggerating for humor sake, but yes compared to what we paid for them those players values are diminished. AWB was never good enough, its absolutely insane how much we paid for him. Maguire is a bit understandable, he did seem to be pretty good at Leicester, and it was a position we badly needed investing in at the time. Unfortunately, that move hasn't worked out at all. In saying that, while I do believe Maguire is not good enough to be a starting cb at a team with title aspirations, he is definitely nowhere near as bad as the "memes" make him out to be. One of the players I genuinely feel bad for though as it seems on social media he gets all the blame for us being shite, despite other players being much worse.

 

[R'hllor]

Ok. You think Maguire and AWB are completely trash and haven’t help us even a little and they worth zero. I now understand how you analyze things.
Btw, 80+50+30=150, far from 200. Just point it out. What about the other 150 mils?

No, they are great players, they helped us to win things, glad that you understand things now, so i can pass on further discussion. At the end with everything hes done, Ole wasted 3 years of our lifes, winning feck all and dropped us into such shit that sadly someone else needs to shovel now. Take care.

 

[Kurton]

Expand on how Ralfs tenure was better than Oles please. What has been achieved?

On the simple fact that Ole spent millions to win f**k all over a course of 3 yrs while saddling us with shit players and developing a culture of unprofessionalism within players. Both achieved f**k all, but RR did very less damage. If Ole was not sacked, we'd have ended with about same pts tally, Ole had 21pts from 14, if anything RR got a pt more. And before you jump in, top 4 is not a trophy for Utd.

 

[city-puma]

No, they are great players, they helped us to win things, glad that you understand things now, so i can pass on further discussion. At the end with everything hes done, Ole wasted 3 years of our lifes, winning feck all and dropped us into such shit that sadly someone else needs to shovel now. Take care.

The whole situation is apparently much more complex than what you claimed the cause to be. We just don’t have all the insight info to draw more meaningful, convincing conclusions. I don’t agree the three years under ole is a waste, in contrast, ole and the others help create a good platform to get us eventually out of the mess LVG and Jose left (those mess might have already been cleaned up if we stick to them as alternative possibilities even though small chance). We have a very good, young squad with promising youth pipeline which will supply us several potentially very good first team players. The club is once again attractive to youngsters to join. The setback of this season needs real analysis, but it will be a kind of secret in board level I guess.

 

[R'hllor]

The whole situation is apparently much more complex than what you claimed the cause to be. We just don’t have all the insight info to draw more meaningful, convincing conclusions. I don’t agree the three years under ole is a waste, in contrast, ole and the others help create a good platform to get us eventually out of the mess LVG and Jose left (those mess might have already been cleaned up if we stick to them as alternative possibilities even though small chance). We have a very good, young squad with promising youth pipeline which will supply us several potentially very good first team players. The club is once again attractive to youngsters to join. The setback of this season needs real analysis, but it will be a kind of secret in board level I guess.

Not in this universe, maybe in multiverse, rest wont even comment, holy shit. In short, RR failed hard and even as such failure, he did less harm to us than Ole, the end. Goodbye.

 

[Kurton]

See I've a suspicion all the major issues you'd mention are from the rangnick PR team. Usual rubbish about how the players weren't fit enough to not get stuffed by Brighton. Embarrassing how easily our fans buy into it

what! Rangnick's PR team. who is that supposed to be? I'm sure you are a wum.Troll somewhere else.

 

[haru krentz]

Nobody is saying he didnt fail, i understand thats the only thread you can hold onto but like i said, even it shouldnt be compareable, Ole was worse by the damage he did in 3 wasted years.

see? you keep talking about damage done by Ole hence why i asked you what would have happened if this squad was coached by Conte instead? you are deluded if you think majority of these players wont be starting games under ETH next season. Rangnick is so shit, had he taken over from Mourinho we would be relegated instead. He didnt even do coaching (so much for the godfather of gegenpressing) and to make it worse he rellied heavily from someone watching TV in Russia, atleast the so called P.E. teachr had more self-respect than that.

what! Rangnick's PR team. who is that supposed to be? I'm sure you are a wum.Troll somewhere else.

Why not? Rangnicks hired Ralph Honigstein after all.

 

[DeGea’sFeet]

I’ll make it easy for people.

Steven Gerard becomes Man Utd manager. Is given 3 years. Spends £500m, wins no trophies, develops no style of play, doesn’t actually develop or coach our players to any noticeable level of improvement, many regress. Indulges the players, makes them think they are doing the club a favour and starts the habit of us losing by 3 or 5 against teams from top to bottom. Toxic positivity becomes toxic disrespect for the club. He allows the players to think they are bigger than the club.

Ole Solskjaer comes in as interim, tries to develop a style of play but the squad put together by Steven is not good enough so he can’t. He’s rejected and thrown under the bus for exposing players who have a poor attitude and letting it be known that the club is bigger than the players. He’s basically said what we’ve been crying out for. In the winter window he’s given no support. He recommends we sign a striker, gives a list of 3 players, our scouts reject all as “not good enough” one moves to Liverpool and transforms their season, the other gets signed by City, and the third gets signed by Juventus.

Ole’s spell as interim ends. We finish poorly. But the board suddenly decides to do the biggest restructuring it’s ever done. Especially in regards to our scouting department.

Who did better or who was worse ?

 

[InspiRED]

see? you keep talking about damage done by Ole hence why i asked you what would have happened if this squad was coached by Conte instead? you are deluded if you think majority of these players wont be starting games under ETH next season. Rangnick is so shit, had he taken over from Mourinho we would be relegated instead. He didnt even do coaching (so much for the godfather of gegenpressing) and to make it worse he rellied heavily from someone watching TV in Russia, atleast the so called P.E. teachr had more self-respect than that.



Why not? Rangnicks hired Ralph Honigstein after all.

Is this an Olesexual parody account?

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Lot of people are going to be upset when ETH has all the same players next season and doesn't regularly get hammered by rubbish teams. You'll have to create some new bitter conspiracy for why Ralf couldn't achieve results. Maybe ole made the players promise not to work hard for only 8 months and then it expires

 

[jeepers]

Players already gave up when Ole was manager, before Rangnick was even considered for the interim position.

Rangnick, whilst his managerial stats are crap, has made it 100% clear that the club should be bigger than the players, not the other way round. He has done the dirty work and paved the way for EtH.

Ole gets my vote.

 

[Marcus]

How on earth can you compare them? Totally different circumstances, timeframe and support from the club.

 

[DSG]

Huh. Surprised that 46.5% of the Caf has no clue about football, tactics and management. Thought it would be much lower, but, then again, I’m an optimist.

 

[justsomebloke]

Ole got us better results but set us back years with his transfer and contract policy. He gets the vote for me.

I don't think that was Ole's transfer and contract policy though.

 

[justsomebloke]

I think the only real comparison here is between Ole's part of this season and Rangnick's part of this season. There's nothing to compare with when it comes to transfers since Rangnick didn't have any, also he could not take on a broader role in the general development of the club and so on. So it's really just the team performance from round 1 to round 38. On that basis, I'd say there's not much to separate them.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Ole Solskjaer comes in as interim, tries to develop a style of play but the squad put together by Steven is not good enough so he can’t.

The idea that United's squad as a whole are "not good enough" to have a style of play is completely laughable, how can anyone believe this shit? It's a squad full of internationals, with various top-level players, people who've played under good managers and at well-ran clubs in the past.

It is possible that the squad as a whole isn't the best fit for a style of play. But under a good manager that would manifest in seeing a distinctive style of play on the pitch that doesn't work consistently.

 

[haru krentz]

Is this an Olesexual parody account?

why dont you try to give us insightiful discussion? paolo maldini told him to feck off should tell us everything we need to know about ragnick's toxic attitude and now we are seeing similar toxic behaviour from his cult members.

 

[VidaRed]

Huh. Surprised that 46.5% of the Caf has no clue about football, tactics and management. Thought it would be much lower, but, then again, I’m an optimist.

Ole's damage to the club will still be visible next season while rangnicks damage is already over, infact his stint has highlighted what needs to be fixed.

 

[DSG]

Ole's damage to the club will still be visible next season while rangnicks damage is already over, infact his stint has highlighted what needs to be fixed.

Ole’s win percentage was 54%, he took us to 6th, 3rd, 2nd, took us to a Europa League final. Ralf’s win % was 37.9%, he was so bad tactically and training wise that he started a back 3 vs Liverpool with Jones (who hadn’t played in 3 months) and Dalot on the left vs Mo Salah, the best RW in the world. Worst manager by record at Man United for 50 years. Couldn’t even make adjustments in game without getting feedback from a coach in Moscow.

If you didn’t know what needed to be fixed before Ralf came in, then I stand by my earlier comment that you know nothing about football. Giving him credit for “opening our eyes” when we knew the issues at the time of Ole being sacked is ridiculous.

Ole needed to be let go after the Liverpool result. He wasn’t good enough. But that doesn’t change the fact that Ralf is a fraud and never should have been hired to manage United.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

Lot of people are going to be upset when ETH has all the same players next season and doesn't regularly get hammered by rubbish teams. You'll have to create some new bitter conspiracy for why Ralf couldn't achieve results. Maybe ole made the players promise not to work hard for only 8 months and then it expires

How can he have all the same players when Matic, Mata, Pogba, Lingard and Cavani are all leaving? Plus whoever else ETH doesn't fancy. At least 2 of those have been stinking up the dressing room which means part of the toxic atmosphere surrounding the club for a while now will be gone. ETH will also be bringing in his own players and will have a full preseason to get his ideas across. Completely different circumstances from when RR took over as interim. Ridiculous comparison.

 

[MancFanFromManc]

I'm stunned the vote is close. The German was hugely worse, cant wait to see the back of him

 

[DSG]

why dont you try to give us insightiful discussion? paolo maldini told him to feck off should tell us everything we need to know about Rangnick's toxic attitude and now we are seeing similar toxic behaviour from his cult members.

Don’t take it personally, mate. A few weeks back, there was discussion on the board that Rangnick was a better manager than Carlo Ancelotti. Seriously. The Ralf cult is right up there with the flat earthers.

 

[stevoc]

Lot of people are going to be upset when ETH has all the same players next season and doesn't regularly get hammered by rubbish teams. You'll have to create some new bitter conspiracy for why Ralf couldn't achieve results. Maybe ole made the players promise not to work hard for only 8 months and then it expires

They won't be because you just know that by then the narrative will have changed to attribute any positive improvements next season as down to Rangnick laying the foundations for him or some other bollocks.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

They won't be because you just know that by then the narrative will have changed to attribute any positive improvements next season as down to Rangnick laying the foundations for him or some other bollocks.

No it won't. It will be down to players leaving /coming in which will hopefully get rid of the tension obviously affecting the club and having time for ETH to get his ideas across. ETH will be starting with a clean slate whereas Ralf started with a 1000lb chain around his neck but (hopefully) when TH starts well the forum will be full of comments like, "you see what a good manager can do?" When the reality is both appointments are 2 completely different scenarios.

 

[DevilRed]

rangnick. By a fair bit.

39% win rate.

Worse than relegation form almost.

 

[IndianWarrior]

Ole was worse, the board gave Rangnick no support then the players took the fecking piss.

Ralf never had the motivation of bringing up the team as he was on interim basis. The players also didn't focused much under playing him, that was the worst part.

 

[stevoc]

No it won't. It will be down to players leaving /coming in which will hopefully get rid of the tension obviously affecting the club and having time for ETH to get his ideas across. ETH will be starting with a clean slate whereas Ralf started with a 1000lb chain around his neck but (hopefully) when TH starts well the forum will be full of comments like, "you see what a good manager can do?" When the reality is both appointments are 2 completely different scenarios.

No it won't be down to Rangnick?

 

[Crashoutcassius]

They won't be because you just know that by then the narrative will have changed to attribute any positive improvements next season as down to Rangnick laying the foundations for him or some other bollocks.

Haha true enough. The curse has been lifted

 

[Crashoutcassius]

How can he have all the same players when Matic, Mata, Pogba, Lingard and Cavani are all leaving? Plus whoever else ETH doesn't fancy. At least 2 of those have been stinking up the dressing room which means part of the toxic atmosphere surrounding the club for a while now will be gone. ETH will also be bringing in his own players and will have a full preseason to get his ideas across. Completely different circumstances from when RR took over as interim. Ridiculous comparison.

So looking at the performances of one manager Vs the manager the following season is a ridiculous comparison

 

[Crashoutcassius]

No it won't. It will be down to players leaving /coming in which will hopefully get rid of the tension obviously affecting the club and having time for ETH to get his ideas across. ETH will be starting with a clean slate whereas Ralf started with a 1000lb chain around his neck but (hopefully) when TH starts well the forum will be full of comments like, "you see what a good manager can do?" When the reality is both appointments are 2 completely different scenarios.

Those are the comments people made after 15 mins of ralfa reign. But when he started getting thrashed it became obvious how impossible the job was !

 

[Forevergiggs1]

Those are the comments people made after 15 mins of ralfa reign. But when he started getting thrashed it became obvious how impossible the job was !

Maybe but your comment was focusing on ETH getting better results from the same players and I just pointed out that it will be a completely different ballgame for him.

No it won't be down to Rangnick?

No matter how good or bad ETH will do it will have nothing to do with Rangnick. An interim who logically couldn't get rid/sign players will have absolutely no affect on the next managers performance.

 

[stevoc]

No matter how good or bad ETH will do it will have nothing to do with Rangnick. An interim who logically couldn't get rid/sign players will have absolutely no affect on the next managers performance.

I agree that whatever success ten Hag has will have little to do with Rangnick's work. But the elephant in the room is a lack of CL football next season could significantly hamper Erik's job in his first season. And that would be down to Ralf's and an extent Ole's failure this season.

 

[Who's Kissing Cameras?]

This season Ole or 18-21 Ole?

 

[Partridge]

ole had his moments, rangnick was just tasked with trying to improve the team whilst taking us over the line.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

I agree that whatever success ten Hag has will have little to do with Rangnick's work. But the elephant in the room is a lack of CL football next season could significantly hamper Erik's job in his first season. And that would be down to Ralf's and an extent Ole's failure this season.

Lack of CL football may hamper us in our transfer dealings due to reduced funds or maybe we've been lucky enough that this season we're getting rid of players on high wages which in itself should generate more money but I can't see it effecting too much the caliber of players brought in. I think young players would forsake 1 season of CL football if they thought we were heading in the right direction which, at least from the outside it looks like we're making strides in the right direction. As for the older type of player who it may influence my own thoughts are we should stay way clear. FDJ as an example would be a stellar signing and his relationship with ETH may influence his decision more than lack of CL football if he where to leave Barca.