Who wants Rooney gone and who wants him to stay

Wayne Rooney - do you want him to stay or go?

  • Stay

    Votes: 270 23.9%

  • Go

    Votes: 706 62.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 153 13.6%
  • Total voters
    1,129
Stay but the bars being raised, and even more so given he can't he won't be accomodated in the team by playing in midfield. I feel we might even sign another forward.....
 
ivaldo said:
Don't you get bored of hoping he's going to have a good season? How many seasons have we waited for him to find his class again?
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How many seasons have we waited for the team to get better. Rather than just looking at the individuals why not look at the whole team. How can you be sure that a downturn in Rooneys form is due to a team system that is not functioning rather than just him being past it.
 
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/rooney-and-carrick-leading-crisis-talks.412837/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/if-rooney-played-up-front-for-barca-real-bayern.411147/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/rooney-being-shunted-to-the-left-wing.410255/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/poll-is-wayne-rooney-past-it-and-should-he-be-sold.405469/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/is-rooney-our-stevie-g-in-disguise.401396/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-van-persie-mata-and-rooney-conundrum.397719/


Now the majority of the Caf seem to be in agreement that deploying Rooney in midfield is one of numerous reasons behind our midfield being as dire as it is. That said, many also claim that Rooney is nevertheless the solution to our attacking woes too and that playing him up top as well as playing a good midfield behind him with proper midfielders will lead us to the promised land, or make us a side worth watching again.

The discussion I want to put forward is this... Fergie wanted rid of him. Fergie wanted to move on from the Rooney era and was actively seeking new strikers. He thought Rooney had peaked and had reached that stage where his ego was bigger than his actual performance output. He was the 'big man' in reputation only and not in terms of performances on the pitch. Did Fergie see him as a potential hindrance to the side's progression going forwards?

Rooney has worked his bollocks off this season, playing out of position but I still feel that if I am being brutally honest, even as a striker... he isn't Aguero/Costa in terms of performance level. He could still bang in a large number of goals, I do not doubt that but I feel that having him in the side affects the style of play of the entire side... he is such a dominant personality, he affects the fluidity we are looking to seek on the ball. He's a magnet for the ball but the problem is, the more he sees of it, the slower and the more predictable our play becomes. Contrast this with Aguero or Costa, they blend in seamlessly to any formation/type of game, whereas Rooney inevitably has to be catered to and he can have absolutely awful games where he just stinks up the place, yet he'll nab a goal and he disguises his poor performance.

The last world cup was the first time I lost a little love for Rooney as a player. I could see he was almost like an albatross around the teams neck, just like Lampard/Gerrard used to be. You had young lively technicians in Sturridge/Sterling/Danny and then as soon as the ball got to Rooney it slowed down, the tempo dropped. His sulky performance against Italy cost us the game and he manipulated the situation to ensure he played as a #10 in the next games and we never hit the heights of that first game, yet he managed to get a goal in the end... disguising the fact he was horrendous and the main reason behind the malfunctioning of our attack.

The reason I compare him to 'Stevie Me' is that I see a lot of potential in this Liverpool side, but the power Gerrard wields over selection by his mere existence at the club ensures that the team can't escape from his shackles. The team is trying to break free but he still features in the main games and he is their worst player time and time again. He is a hindrance. In fact one could argue, we are a team full of Gerrards... a lot of big names who demand to be selected based on reputation but are shadows of what they once were or are just tactical misfits.

Rooney is a more dangerous hindrance because he can still contribute in terms of goals and assists, he gives the impression that he is a vital component of any team. I would argue that like Gerrard, like Ruud of 2006 for example, moving Rooney up front might be an improvement on RVP/Falcao and he would score a fair few but in the long run, that decision will itself present a problem in the not too distance future. As all our competitors stockpile on livewire 9's who can dribble, shoot off either foot etc, we'll be stuck with the fading flame of Rooney
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Safe to say since end of 2014 post the World Cup.. haven't been his biggest fan. Still can't believe he is here.
 
PepsiCola said:
They were certainly evident this season! Failed to contribute a single point on the first half of the season. A purple patch in January and decent midfield performances (which he won't be given the chance to replicate) against poor sides don't excuse that for me.
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Dude I am talking about leadership and veteran presence, things that happen both on and off the football pitch. Last time I checked, the success of any sports team isn't only based off of soley talent.
 
Obiorahking_ said:
Many of our United players, youngsters, coaches and football legends have praised Rooney for his leadership in the team. Talent is obviously the bigger component of a team but the intangibles also matter as well, especially when we have so many new players being transfered or being brought up from the academy. I'm not saying he must start, but it is good to have him here seeing as him and Carrick are our only long term veterans left.
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Yeah, they said the same about Gerrard didn't they? You act like they are not supposed to say that. Only last season, some where still saying that their captain is world class and one of the best in the world!
 
Sammyjunn said:
So? He asks the ball but can do very little with it, whats the point and whats the value in that? He can barely pass, he cant dribble, his shooting is very average nowadays (did score a nice goal this season in the FA, but his long shots and free kicks for example are mostly poor)..
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Nobody can play a slow hollywood cross-field pass to Valencia that allows the opposition to organise themselves in defence like Wayne though.
 
I just hope he plays for Everton in the second half for his testimonial and ends up in their team bus.
 
="m1y2, post: 19484482, member: 84491"]It's like if you asked me if I wanted cancer. No[/QUOTE]
I get that you don't like him but have some respect.Disgrsceful to talk about a club legend like that.
 
TrustInJanuzai said:
How many seasons have we waited for the team to get better. Rather than just looking at the individuals why not look at the whole team. How can you be sure that a downturn in Rooneys form is due to a team system that is not functioning rather than just him being past it.
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Because the system doesn't change the fact that he's a one dimensional player in midfield, nor do tactics affect his physical attributes that have clearly declined, nor are they responsible for his shit ball control, nor are they the cause for his failures to lead on the pitch.

Obiorahking_ said:
Many of our United players, youngsters, coaches and football legends have praised Rooney for his leadership in the team. Talent is obviously the bigger component of a team but the intangibles also matter as well, especially when we have so many new players being transfered or being brought up from the academy. I'm not saying he must start, but it is good to have him here seeing as him and Carrick are our only long term veterans left.
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The same was said of Gerrard at Liverpool. They're hardly going to slam him in public are they? I agree that some form of continuity is good, but IMO he's no longer the winner he was under Fergie. He's gone lax and is nowhere near the standard we need. If you ask me for leadership, I'd point to Bastian.

m1y2 said:
It's like if you asked me if I wanted cancer. No
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:lol:
 
LeftyBlaster said:
This makes absolutely no sense to me. He's paid and treated and demanded to be the main guy. He'd better perform like so but really hasn't.
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Not sure how it doesn't make sense. You need quality around you. Bayern, Barca, Madrid, etc, despite having their main player, have an abundance of quality around them.

Actually, I remember Ronaldo talking about lack of quality after their loss to Athletico.

“I’m not going to lie,” Ronaldo said, “I like Karim [Benzema], and when Karim’s not there, it’s harder. When [Gareth] Bale, Marcelo and Pepe are not there, it’s harder.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...mmates-as-La-Liga-hopes-take-mortal-blow.html

Yes, Rooney should be possibly doing more, but we have lacked the quality around him in the last few years.
 
TrustInJanuzai said:
How many seasons have we waited for the team to get better. Rather than just looking at the individuals why not look at the whole team. How can you be sure that a downturn in Rooneys form is due to a team system that is not functioning rather than just him being past it.
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Rooney has been played wherever he wanted to be played. Is he a striker, an attacking midfielder, a central midfielder? Rooney himself has dictated that. He's the only player in that team that can't complain about the system not being suited to him.
 
ivaldo said:
Rooney has been played wherever he wanted to be played. Is he a striker, an attacking midfielder, a central midfielder? Rooney himself has dictated that. He's the only player in that team that can't complain about the system not being suited to him.
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Well he can considering ultimately that football is a team sport and you rely on your team mates to produce the best individual performances. For example under LVG as a numbed 9 Rooney was shocking, however, it's not often mentioned that he was feeding on absolute scraps up top and barely getting a touch let alone any chances in front of goal. Now some might blame that on Rooney but to me that's a fundamental system problem and that's a big reason we only managed 49 goals last season. In the second half of the season regardless of what people on here will say, Rooney showed some good form and looked like one of our best players again and there's really no reason why under a manger that players a cohesive system and with some better quality in the squad Rooney can't feed off that and regain some top form. He's lost a yard of pace, sure, but he still sees a picture of the football pitch than not many players are capable of and his technical game is far better than most give him credit for. As I've repeated time and time again, anyone thinking Rooney is off is wide of the mark. He will start gameweek one as the first name on the team sheet and only if he underperforms will he be dropped.
 
clarkydaz said:
this Everton thing gets mentioned a lot casually. Bar sentiment, why would Everton would want him now?
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Dunno mate just giving my opinion on where he would leave OT for before his contract was up.
 
ivaldo said:
Rooney has been played wherever he wanted to be played. Is he a striker, an attacking midfielder, a central midfielder? Rooney himself has dictated that. He's the only player in that team that can't complain about the system not being suited to him.
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He has played where the managers have told him, but it seems that posters on the Cafe are sure he has some sort of supernatural hold over the club and everything is done to suit his will, not United's.

And why is it always Rooney that is used properly but is just shite, whereas most other players are always "not trained properly", "not in the correct position", "the style doesn't suit the player", "he needs more confidence and a better manager to motivate him" and loads of other excuses? But nobody uses these expressions to excuse Rooney, because he earns 300k a week and should be able to carry the ball from his own goal to the other side of the pitch, even though he was never that kind of player.
 
If you think the club is going to sell him this close to breaking the all time goal scoring record, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd be willing to let go of for a low, low price. ;)

He'll break the record this season and then I suppose he'll move back to Everton or to the MLS next summer.
 
First Mourinho makes those comments, now it looks like we've brought in two super stars in two positions he occupies(Ibra and Pogba)

His days are seriously numbered.
 
Undecided.

I'm perfectly willing to give him another season (as Mourinho will probably do), and hope he can find some form again, but my general feeling is that he's well past his best, and unless he's happy to grace the bench, the exit door may be the better option.
 
Gotta hit the gym and start the yoga Wayne. More runs like those we had in the FA Cup final.
 
TrustInJanuzai said:
Well he can considering ultimately that football is a team sport and you rely on your team mates to produce the best individual performances. For example under LVG as a numbed 9 Rooney was shocking, however, it's not often mentioned that he was feeding on absolute scraps up top and barely getting a touch let alone any chances in front of goal. Now some might blame that on Rooney but to me that's a fundamental system problem and that's a big reason we only managed 49 goals last season. In the second half of the season regardless of what people on here will say, Rooney showed some good form and looked like one of our best players again and there's really no reason why under a manger that players a cohesive system and with some better quality in the squad Rooney can't feed off that and regain some top form. He's lost a yard of pace, sure, but he still sees a picture of the football pitch than not many players are capable of and his technical game is far better than most give him credit for. As I've repeated time and time again, anyone thinking Rooney is off is wide of the mark. He will start gameweek one as the first name on the team sheet and only if he underperforms will he be dropped.
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Good post.
 
TrustInJanuzai said:
Well he can considering ultimately that football is a team sport and you rely on your team mates to produce the best individual performances. For example under LVG as a numbed 9 Rooney was shocking, however, it's not often mentioned that he was feeding on absolute scraps up top and barely getting a touch let alone any chances in front of goal. Now some might blame that on Rooney but to me that's a fundamental system problem and that's a big reason we only managed 49 goals last season. In the second half of the season regardless of what people on here will say, Rooney showed some good form and looked like one of our best players again and there's really no reason why under a manger that players a cohesive system and with some better quality in the squad Rooney can't feed off that and regain some top form. He's lost a yard of pace, sure, but he still sees a picture of the football pitch than not many players are capable of and his technical game is far better than most give him credit for. As I've repeated time and time again, anyone thinking Rooney is off is wide of the mark. He will start gameweek one as the first name on the team sheet and only if he underperforms will he be dropped.
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Martial and Rashford were also feeding on scraps, yet were regularly producing far better overall performances than Rooney was.
 
matherto said:
He's a thick scouser, do you really think he'd actually want to put a shift in once he's gotten rich and comfortable?
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People get banned left an right for silly comments, yet it seems perfectly acceptable to always insult the captain of Manchester United. What is the reason for that, dear moderators and administrators?
 
Sentiments is what is killing this club! Look at the best teams around; Barca let go of Xavi, Juventus let go of Del Piero, Real let go of Raul, Bayern let go Schweinstiger. These are all players that were products of the clubs AND were still playing at a decent enough level, certainly better than what Rooney is IMO. You don't see the fans crying neither do we see the clubs suffering for that reason. Despite leaving their clubs, they are still regarded as legends and nothing can take that away from them. Have these clubs moved on since then? They have left us behind actually.

But the opposite is the case at United. Its like we would die if Rooney leaves. It's not like we know if he truly loves this club in the way we do. Why should he? He did not come through the academy, neither is he obliged to be loyal to United. He is only an employee like every other person that is paid to progress the club forward. If he leaves today , I won't be surprised that we would never see him at OT to watch a match.
 
00ivatsa said:
People get banned left an right for silly comments, yet it seems perfectly acceptable to always insult the captain of Manchester United. What is the reason for that, dear moderators and administrators?
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Calm your tits Wayne.
 
TrustInJanuzai said:
Well he can considering ultimately that football is a team sport and you rely on your team mates to produce the best individual performances. For example under LVG as a numbed 9 Rooney was shocking, however, it's not often mentioned that he was feeding on absolute scraps up top and barely getting a touch let alone any chances in front of goal. Now some might blame that on Rooney but to me that's a fundamental system problem and that's a big reason we only managed 49 goals last season. In the second half of the season regardless of what people on here will say, Rooney showed some good form and looked like one of our best players again and there's really no reason why under a manger that players a cohesive system and with some better quality in the squad Rooney can't feed off that and regain some top form. He's lost a yard of pace, sure, but he still sees a picture of the football pitch than not many players are capable of and his technical game is far better than most give him credit for. As I've repeated time and time again, anyone thinking Rooney is off is wide of the mark. He will start gameweek one as the first name on the team sheet and only if he underperforms will he be dropped.
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Are we just going to pretend that Martial and Rashford don't exist then? Because both came in and looked far superior players to the plodding Rooney.
 
00ivatsa said:
People get banned left an right for silly comments, yet it seems perfectly acceptable to always insult the captain of Manchester United. What is the reason for that, dear moderators and administrators?
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Oh stop acting so precious.
 
Cheesy said:
Martial and Rashford were also feeding on scraps, yet were regularly producing far better overall performances than Rooney was.
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And they are just completely different players and strikers. Rooney doesn't have the pace and explosiveness he once had but he's still a top class finisher, I'd say even better than he was in 2009. That means that he has to be played to in a certain way in the same way that you wouldn't use a striker like Girou to run the channels, you can't expect Rooney to be a similar player to Rashford who has bags of youthful pace. In the correct system and settup, Rooney is still good enough to score over 20 goals up top and I think we will get 10-15 playing behind the striker next season.

Edit: @ivaldo also applies to your comment in that Rashford and Martial are entirely different players.
 
His time should've been up when Moyes took over. Hopefully Mourinho has the balls to get shot. I wouldn't mind him staying as a squad player if he wasn't on such a ridiculous wage.
 
dichinero said:
Sentiments is what is killing this club! Look at the best teams around; Barca let go of Xavi, Juventus let go of Del Piero, Real let go of Raul, Bayern let go Schweinstiger. These are all players that were products of the clubs AND were still playing at a decent enough level, certainly better than what Rooney is IMO. You don't see the fans crying neither do we see the clubs suffering for that reason. Despite leaving their clubs, they are still regarded as legends and nothing can take that away from them. Have these clubs moved on since then? They have left us behind actually.

But the opposite is the case at United. Its like we would die if Rooney leaves. It's not like we know if he truly loves this club in the way we do. Why should he? He did not come through the academy, neither is he obliged to be loyal to United. He is only an employee like every other person that is paid to progress the club forward. If he leaves today , I won't be surprised that we would never see him at OT to watch a match.
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believe it or not some fans want to keep Rooney because he's a good player with more to offer rather than just 'sentiments'. But those sentiments should entitle Rooney to respect that quite frankly he gets none of on this forum.
 
TrustInJanuzai said:
And they are just completely different players and strikers. Rooney doesn't have the pace and explosiveness he once had but he's still a top class finisher, I'd say even better than he was in 2009. That means that he has to be played to in a certain way in the same way that you wouldn't use a striker like Girou to run the channels, you can't expect Rooney to be a similar player to Rashford who has bags of youthful pace. In the correct system and settup, Rooney is still good enough to score over 20 goals up top and I think we will get 10-15 playing behind the striker next season.

Edit: @ivaldo also applies to your comment in that Rashford and Martial are entirely different players.
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Just stop this now. What???
 
Rolney won't play as a midfielder. He'll play in the #10 behind Ibrahimovic, no doubt.

His workrate is still good, and I have a feeling he'll raise his game playing alongside other stars like Ibra, Miki and potentially Pogba.
 
Seriously, what's the sodding point? We've watched him stumble over his own feet in front of goal, and contrive to turn one-on-one chances into throws-ins, yet he's better than he was? It's like discussing Rooney with the members of a cult. 'Usual suspects' and 'agendas', my backside...
 
TrustInJanuzai said:
believe it or not some fans want to keep Rooney because he's a good player with more to offer rather than just 'sentiments'. But those sentiments should entitle Rooney to respect that quite frankly he gets none of on this forum.
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What does respect have to do with playing well. Do you think either one of Rio, Vidic or Evra where respected with the way they were moved out of the club, despite being more influential than Rooney in their time here?

Isn't respect meant to be reciprocal? Did he apologise to fans for the whole contract saga? No, he didn't have to. The same way fans that love the club don't have to respect him.
 
Rooney hasn't played under a proper manager since Fergie.

He was also our best attacking player in the Moyes season and second best attacker since January of this year.

He was instrumental in our FA Cup too. The horror show that was his first half of the season was bad but remember our manager at the time had us playing the worst football I've witnessed at united .

Rooney along with Depay and Herrera and our other players deserve to at least prove themselves to Jose.
 
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