Who wants Rooney gone and who wants him to stay

Wayne Rooney - do you want him to stay or go?

  • Stay

    Votes: 270 23.9%

  • Go

    Votes: 706 62.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 153 13.6%
  • Total voters
    1,129
devilish said:
All I'm saying that I won't be surprised if o'shea took Rooney's criticism about lack of quality in the side pretty personal.
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Should think so aswell, like the rest of the changing room. Doesn't change the fact it was about £ not ambition. So he will have no problem now being binned if he is deemed not up to the level required
 
devilish said:
I said that rooney overreacted. However his arguments at the time were right. Also I wouldn't take the word of o'shea as bible. It's pretty obvious he had a vested interest in putting Rooney is a bad light after what he said.

In my opinion Rooney should have shut up and just handled his transfer request. It's not his role to comment about the club decisions
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A defence of 'he had a point' is no defence when you consider his self-admitted motive. I'm sure that Katie Hopkins gets the occasional fact right but that's undermined by the truth that she's paid to be contrary and controversial no matter what the subject; the actual content barely matters, in that context.
 
I'm curious to see how Rooney fares under Mourinho but anyone who claims Rooney has "earned the right to play under Mourinho for a season" is out of their mind.

Earned?

I didn't realise he has been playing for gratis ever since he joined the club? Oh that's right - he hasn't. For the last few years has he been paid what the likes of Ronaldo and Messi have been getting whilst giving almost nothing in return.

Earned - don't make me laugh.
 
He's been crap since Moyes took over. Then again, everyone (mostly) who is without an obvious standout (physical) quality has looked crap since Moyes took over. Pace will always get you past a man (Martial), or help you recover in defence (Smalling), but everyone else has been in a sea of aimless tactics.

He has to stay this season - I expect huge improvements from everyone.. Plus I think with what he's achieved here, he deserves a shot with a great manager again. Fergie may well have wanted rid, but he's made plenty of crap judgements in his time..

You have to remember that Rooney was mentioned alongside the best in the world in his younger years, and that wasn't just because he had a bit of pace and strength.
 
Camilo said:
Fergie may well have wanted rid, but he's made plenty of crap judgements in his time
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It wasn't necessarily Rooney's ability that SAF doubted - when Sir Alex and his coaches questioned Wayne's application and attitude, he was told by Wayne that he "had nothing to prove" and "couldn't do any more"; no wonder SAF began to look elsewhere for his main man...
 
SteveJ said:
A defence of 'he had a point' is no defence when you consider his self-admitted motive. I'm sure that Katie Hopkins gets the occasional fact right but that's undermined by the truth that she's paid to be contrary and controversial no matter what the subject; the actual content barely matters, in that context.
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Acording to the other poster the self admittance thing was leaked by o'shea. Excuse me if I take that with a pinch of salt

Also United does love to demonise those who criticised the establishment
 
SteveJ said:
It wasn't necessarily Rooney's ability that SAF doubted - when Sir Alex and his coaches questioned Wayne's application and attitude, he was told by Wayne that he "had nothing to prove" and "couldn't do any more"; no wonder SAF began to look elsewhere for his main man...
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there's a quote from Rene along the lines of "Ronaldo trained like he wanted to be the best in the world, Wayne trained like he was"
 
devilish said:
Acording to the other poster the self admittance thing was leaked by o'shea. Excuse me if I take that with a pinch of salt

Also United does love to demonise those who criticised the establishment
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It's in the club's official year-book, and hasn't be removed or edited in all those years; it's pretty safe to say that O'Shea's version is the truth. And why shouldn't it be the truth? - Rooney's legendary selflessness is a myth.
 
To be honest I'm straight up for GO. He's not good enough up front, as a 10 or in midfield for a title winning team anymore. Sure he could stay as a squad player but feck paying a sub 350k a week. Also I doubt he'd want to be a part time player.

If the Chinese are interested I'd imagine he'd get the same wage and we might actually make a decent few quid on him. £30m? Sell!
 
SteveJ said:
It's in the club's official year-book, and hasn't be removed or edited in all those years; it's pretty safe to say that O'Shea's version is the truth.
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An official year book written when safety was still the Don and information leaked by someone who ooze averageNess.

All I am saying that a lot of bad decisions were taken at the time including the cm problem, the value tragedy, moves signing etc. So on that Rooney was right. Let's see if we would be lucky to re sign Cleverley former cover for 100m.
 
devilish said:
An official year book written when safety was still the Don and information leaked by someone who ooze averageNess.

All I am saying that a lot of bad decisions were taken at the time including the cm problem, the value tragedy, moves signing etc. So on that Rooney was right. Let's see if we would be lucky to re sign Cleverley former cover for 100m.
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The irony is that Rooney himself was part of that clique of underperforming England stalwarts, all of whom were & are not shy of speaking to favoured journalists 'anonymously'.
 
SteveJ said:
The irony is that Rooney himself was part of that clique of underperforming England stalwarts, all of whom were & are not shy of speaking to favoured journalists 'anonymously'.
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I never said he was a saint
 
I wouldn't mind him staying as a player who can come on and hopefully use his experience to push us through. Do not want him staying if he's a guaranteed starter again.

He'd be great in the dressing room and training ground for our young/new players too.
 
clarkydaz said:
there's a quote from Rene along the lines of "Ronaldo trained like he wanted to be the best in the world, Wayne trained like he was"
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To be fair, it's an opinion from a few years ago.. I suspect Rooney knows he's not a top player at the moment, and these big changes to the club, the squad the and management may just light a fire under him.. Maybe it won't, who knows, but with a team of top players and a top manager, he'll have to step up. I want him to have that chance, because he was/is? a superb talent - if Mourinho is strong enough to drop him if he's not playing well, then it's no lose for us.
 
I want him gone. He isn't capable of scoring enough and he isn't good enough to play in midfield. Nowhere near good enough to justify his wages or the captaincy so get him gone as soon as possible.
 
LennonNL said:
I wouldn't mind him staying as a player who can come on and hopefully use his experience to push us through. Do not want him staying if he's a guaranteed starter again.

He'd be great in the dressing room and training ground for our young/new players too.
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An unhappy Rooney is poison and if he's not a guaranteed starter then that's what he'll be.
 
Would I want Rooney sold based on the squad we have? No.
Would I want him as one of the first names on the team sheet? No.
Do I think it's realistic to find a buyer he would agree to join? No.

All in all, Rooney is overpaid compared to his on-field contribution. He isn't close to top quality anymore. But he still seems a person the players like, and he isn't so bad that he cannot be a squad option. So we'll keep him as a squad option at the minimum, even if it's not ideal.
 
SteveJ said:
The irony is that Rooney himself was part of that clique of underperforming England stalwarts, all of whom were & are not shy of speaking to favoured journalists 'anonymously'.
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Aye, i still remember Lampard "talking" his way into his favored cm role through the media (meaning the English Pirlo was on the right of course)
 
I was in stay before.... but at this point its better off if we part ways and bring in a top player there instead of him. Memphis/januzaj as bench players instead too. Moving on is best sometimes.
 
Green_Red said:
Ive never known a player at United to get the kind of abuse Rooney gets from a section of fans.

Id love to see a map of the world that shows where all the votes in this poll are coming from.
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Rooney isn't getting any abuses and you ought to understand that voicing opinions in a forum about whether he should be kept around or not doesn't constitute as abuse. He personally isn't getting affected by what a bunch of people are exchanging on internet forums and as to those calling him names in different threads then shame on them but beside that you're simply trying to victimize the guy on a board that's meant to talk about Man united players including their performances and other such.
 
I hope he will be benched and will need to work his way back in the team.. He has had such a easy time lately. Just get him into a fighting position we will see what he's made off..
 
I actually want him to go. He is no longer the player he used to. There are enough player skillwise that could replace Rooney. He should not be a regular if he doesnt perform consistently. The manager should no longer chose a tactic formation just to get room for Rooney. Thats unfair to the whole team. If Rooney isnt good enough to be implemented in Mourinhos formation he should not play. At least he should not start. And do you really want a player with 250-300k vage on the bench? Thats seem like a waste.

I really like Rooney, and I dont blame him 100% for hes poor form under LvG. And I would like him to succeed and be the type of player we need. But I can see us benefit from not having to use Rooney. i think it hinders us from developing new players or even buy a new player that should play instead of Rooney.
 
He's no longer mobile enough to be a striker.

He's not got the first touch, vision or ability to be a good #10

He's not got the first touch, positional discipline or passing range to be a midfielder.

He's a very square peg in a very round, £250-300k a week hole.

Get him gone. He's been here 12 years, he's had some great seasons and contributed to us winning many trophies but that's long enough.

No room for sentimentality, he's not good enough for us anymore if we want to aspire to win the title.
 
Really can't see him going anywhere except maybe Everton.
He's not up to it any more at the level United need to be although he'll have some good games but overall I think you may be stuck with him until contract ends.
Maybe he thinks he's earned a bit of slack to be cut his way after all the big days he's given the club?
 
It's clear a majority see he is past it and want him moved in. Not cause we have an agenda, but we want what's best for the club. He WILL be poor in the no.10 position as he has been. He was always a SS, never a no.10.

This 'agenda' narrative is a load of bollocks. I could easily say posters have an agenda against Memphis, Herrera, Felliaini, Mata, etc.

Talksport seem to host the only pundits with sense when it comes to Rooney.

Edit - it gets frustrating seeing the narrative shift from the same old posters. From 'he's still our best no.10 (nope), he's can be amazing in midfield if given time (no). These were all excuses made when Rooney was crap in more advanced positions. It's now returned to he can get X goals this season. He showed last season he couldn't be relied on up front. Being club captain/talisman and not contributing a single point in the first half of the season is fecking atrocious. He scored goals when we played a string of poor sides and his form did improve. But this is a characteristic Rooney 'purple patch'. He can't be relied on for an entire season. He IS our Gerrard. The longer we hold onto him, the more toxic his impact.
 
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lem8sh said:
An unhappy Rooney is poison and if he's not a guaranteed starter then that's what he'll be.
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I don't think I agree with you. He'll know he's underperforming and he'll know he's getting on. He's club captain now; he has roles other than scoring and setting up goals.
 
I've been waiting for him to be gone for years. Doesn't come close to justifying his wages. I heard someone say once that he is the worst 'top' player around and it's pretty accurate for the last 3 or 4 years.

Every time he has a run of games as a no.9 and stinks up the joint the pundits say he has to play as a 10. Then when he has a run as a no.10 and stinks up the joint the same pundits say they feel he should be leading the line. It goes back and forth like this forever, it's fecking barmy.
 
LennonNL said:
I don't think I agree with you. He'll know he's underperforming and he'll know he's getting on. He's club captain now; he has roles other than scoring and setting up goals.
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What we need are leaders and not captains. Rooney apparently talks a good game in the dressing room but talk under no pressure is cheap. I don't see the on-field leadership in Rooney at all.
 
dichinero said:
What we need are leaders and not captains. Rooney apparently talks a good game in the dressing room but talk under no pressure is cheap. I don't see the on-field leadership in Rooney at all.
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Well yeah, I'd have to agree with you. Like I said, if Rooney staying means he keeps getting game time then I don't want him here. If him staying means he acts as a go to figure in the dressing room and training ground, then I wouldn't mind it. He'd be a very expensive inclusion, but oh well. He's been here for over a decade.
 
Rooney should be gone. He is well past it despite his age. He can no longer play as a #9 and there are better options than him as a #10.
 
Fwiw I don't think Rooney is going anywhere. Mourinho clearly has him in his plans and I bet Rooney is looking very forward to playing with the likes of Ibra, Mkhi and the other signing? next season.
 
predator said:
Fwiw I don't think Rooney is going anywhere. Mourinho clearly has him in his plans and I bet Rooney is looking very forward to playing with the likes of Ibra, Mkhi and the other signing? next season.
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This is the only problem. Mourinho is a known Rooney fan.
 
Put him out for ransom like he has done with us numerous times. Force him to take a pay cut similar to Carrick's wages or else we will push him out the door. He's an asset and it's good to have senior players. Not for his wages though.
 
I would cry out of joy if he leaves tomorrow.
It works like we somehow always have to include him in our starting 11, which makes the team shit.
Even average performance makes him untouchable. Passing the ball backwards and sideways and people call him 'the general' or 'next scholes'.

Van gaal also had few good moments but we sacked him and why can't we do it with rooney? Just because of his history in our team? He earned enough money for it.
What's the point of "he will become good again under new manager" thing when we can also say "van gaal will do well if he gets to spend one more time in the market"?
Reality is both are finished and one is gone but one is alive.

If we don't get rid of him soon, nothing will change unless he sits on the bench. Well that would also not be good for us in financial term because we are trashing 250k every week.
 
predator said:
Fwiw I don't think Rooney is going anywhere. Mourinho clearly has him in his plans and I bet Rooney is looking very forward to playing with the likes of Ibra, Mkhi and the other signing? next season.
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I think you are right, Mourinho went all out to buy him when he had his tantrum so he must rate him highly. It will be interesting to see how Rooney plays with the new guys, he sometimes looks better around top players.

I've voted stay but as a caveat, if he has another indifferent season I'm done.
 
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