Who replaces Ten Hag?

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I know most of you don't want either of those but if you had to chose between Mourinho and Pochetino as next United manager, who would it be? Jose was obviously already here and looking at trophies he's still most successful manager since Fergie, which perhaps says more about others. On the other hand Poch was Fergie's choice in 2016 and could've happened in 2019 as well as late 2020. And of course was an option in 2022 when we opted for ten Hag.

I wouldn't be surprised if INEOS go for Potter.
 
I really don't think Poch should be the one to manage us. There's unknown unproven and factually unproven. He is the latter. He has had 2 attempts in the premier league with solid clubs and failed twice
 
I know most of you don't want either of those but if you had to chose between Mourinho and Pochetino as next United manager, who would it be? Jose was obviously already here and looking at trophies he's still most successful manager since Fergie, which perhaps says more about others. On the other hand Poch was Fergie's choice in 2016 and could've happened in 2019 as well as late 2020. And of course was an option in 2022 when we opted for ten Hag.

I wouldn't be surprised if INEOS go for Potter.
We would be idiots to appoint either of poch or Jose. I would even stay away from Potter.
 
We would be idiots to appoint either of poch or Jose. I would even stay away from Potter.
That's the trouble - there aren't many good options atm. Xabi Alonso won't join us, especially if Liverpool or Real Madrid come calling. Nagelsmann perhaps. There are few other names like Lopetegui, Hasenhuttl and Flick. We won't go for Conte.
 
That's the trouble - there aren't many good options atm. Xabi Alonso won't join us, especially if Liverpool or Real Madrid come calling. Nagelsmann perhaps. There are few other names like Lopetegui, Hasenhuttl and Flick. We won't go for Conte.
It’ll really depend on who our new director of football is and which identity they choose for United moving forward.

If it’s Ashworth, I think he will go for either De Zerbi, Potter or the Girona manager Michel. Managers who seem to fit in his profile. And he seems to work well with them too.

If it’s Berta, then I wouldn’t be surprised if we ended up with a manager such as Inzaghi. Or even Conte.

If our new structure comes together and functions, then the role of the manager changes drastically for us. We should be able to interchange coaches without major downfall.
 
Out of the names I've seen or are somewhat realistic (so no Pep, Klopp, Arteta, Ancelotti or Zidane), I'd rank them like this...

Tier 1
  • De Zerbi
  • Xabi Alonso
Tier 2
  • Nagelsmann
  • Tuchel
  • Flick
  • Spalletti
  • Luis Enrique

Tier 3
  • Michel
  • Ruben Amorim
  • Inzaghi
Tier 4
  • Potter
  • Mckenna
  • Faraoli
I don't think Xabi Alonso is realistic, so I'd say De Zerbi is my top choice. Tier 2 all have some sort of baggage, where you know they are really good coaches but tend to not get along with whatever structure they're in or eventually have a fallout, or have a bit of a ceiling to what they do that maybe isn't high enough. Don't think any of these would reach 4 years but would do ok in the meantime. I'd be fine with any of these groups though, even Potter and Mckenna, for one reason or another. They can all work if we have a good structure in place and more importantly, if they adapt to the club and league. 2 years ago I'd have said that ten hag is in that top tier of available managers and Pochettino probably around 3rd tier where I didn't really want him but would have some upside.

Tier avoid
  • Southgate
  • Mourinho
  • Conte
  • Emery
  • Simeone
  • Allegri
  • Pochettino
  • Deschamps
This tier are managers who just don't play the football that United should play, and so I'm convinced that one way or another it wouldn't work out.

The others like hassenhuttl or Lopetegui that I've seen in this thread shouldn't even be brought up (Mourinho shouldn't either).
 
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That's the trouble - there aren't many good options atm. Xabi Alonso won't join us, especially if Liverpool or Real Madrid come calling. Nagelsmann perhaps. There are few other names like Lopetegui, Hasenhuttl and Flick. We won't go for Conte.
De zerbi or Nagelsmann are the two who I would look to hire. Rest I would be like meh, whatever.
 
Out of the names I've seen or are somewhat realistic (so no Pep, Klopp, Arteta, Ancelotti or Zidane), I'd rank them like this...

Tier 1
  • De Zerbi
  • Xabi Alonso
Tier 2
  • Nagelsmann
  • Tuchel
  • Flick
  • Spalletti
  • Luis Enrique

Tier 3
  • Michel
  • Ruben Amorim
  • Inzaghi
Tier 4
  • Potter
  • Mckenna
  • Faraoli
I don't think Xabi Alonso is realistic, so I'd say De Zerbi is my top choice. Tier 2 all have some sort of baggage, where you know they are really good coaches but tend to not get along with whatever structure they're in or eventually have a fallout, or have a bit of a ceiling to what they do that maybe isn't high enough. Don't think any of these would reach 4 years but would do ok in the meantime. I'd be fine with any of these groups though, even Potter and Mckenna, for one reason or another. They can all work if we have a good structure in place and more importantly, if they adapt to the club and league. 2 years ago I'd have said that ten hag is in that top tier of available managers and Pochettino probably around 3rd tier where I didn't really want him but would have some upside.

Tier avoid
  • Southgate
  • Mourinho
  • Conte
  • Emery
  • Simeone
  • Allegri
  • Pochettino
This tier are managers who just don't play the football that United should play, and so I'm convinced that one way or another it wouldn't work out.

The others like hassenhuttl or Lopetegui that I've seen in this thread shouldn't even be brought up (Mourinho shouldn't either).
Good post but even if you offer arteta to us, I would say no. The guy has to prove before being put in the list with pep klopp. Might be controversial but the guy is a huge hype.
 
Out of the names I've seen or are somewhat realistic (so no Pep, Klopp, Arteta, Ancelotti or Zidane), I'd rank them like this...

Tier 1
  • De Zerbi
  • Xabi Alonso
Tier 2
  • Nagelsmann
  • Tuchel
  • Flick
  • Spalletti
  • Luis Enrique

Tier 3
  • Michel
  • Ruben Amorim
  • Inzaghi
Tier 4
  • Potter
  • Mckenna
  • Faraoli
I don't think Xabi Alonso is realistic, so I'd say De Zerbi is my top choice. Tier 2 all have some sort of baggage, where you know they are really good coaches but tend to not get along with whatever structure they're in or eventually have a fallout, or have a bit of a ceiling to what they do that maybe isn't high enough. Don't think any of these would reach 4 years but would do ok in the meantime. I'd be fine with any of these groups though, even Potter and Mckenna, for one reason or another. They can all work if we have a good structure in place and more importantly, if they adapt to the club and league. 2 years ago I'd have said that ten hag is in that top tier of available managers and Pochettino probably around 3rd tier where I didn't really want him but would have some upside.

Tier avoid
  • Southgate
  • Mourinho
  • Conte
  • Emery
  • Simeone
  • Allegri
  • Pochettino
  • Deschamps
This tier are managers who just don't play the football that United should play, and so I'm convinced that one way or another it wouldn't work out.

The others like hassenhuttl or Lopetegui that I've seen in this thread shouldn't even be brought up (Mourinho shouldn't either).

Great post but I think the line between tier 1 and 2 is very thin. We don't know enough about De Zerbi and Alonso to claim they'll get along with whatever structure INEOS puts in either, every smart person has some sort of quirk and you manage for long enough you pick up the baggage.

De Zerbi is the top pick for me as well but wouldn't be unhappy with any of the ones in Tier 2. Alonso is a pipe dream - if he moves he goes to Pool / Bayern.
 
Great post but I think the line between tier 1 and 2 is very thin. We don't know enough about De Zerbi and Alonso to claim they'll get along with whatever structure INEOS puts in either, every smart person has some sort of quirk and you manage for long enough you pick up the baggage.

De Zerbi is the top pick for me as well but wouldn't be unhappy with any of the ones in Tier 2. Alonso is a pipe dream - if he moves he goes to Pool / Bayern.
Yeah, the only reason I split them is because tier 2 we "know" what they are with big clubs and competent structures. Top tier has de Zerbi who has impressed in this league and hasn't shown his limit or capabilities yet, so it's the unknown with him
 
Out of the names I've seen or are somewhat realistic (so no Pep, Klopp, Arteta, Ancelotti or Zidane), I'd rank them like this...

Tier 1
  • De Zerbi
  • Xabi Alonso
Tier 2
  • Nagelsmann
  • Tuchel
  • Flick
  • Spalletti
  • Luis Enrique

Tier 3
  • Michel
  • Ruben Amorim
  • Inzaghi
Tier 4
  • Potter
  • Mckenna
  • Faraoli
I don't think Xabi Alonso is realistic, so I'd say De Zerbi is my top choice. Tier 2 all have some sort of baggage, where you know they are really good coaches but tend to not get along with whatever structure they're in or eventually have a fallout, or have a bit of a ceiling to what they do that maybe isn't high enough. Don't think any of these would reach 4 years but would do ok in the meantime. I'd be fine with any of these groups though, even Potter and Mckenna, for one reason or another. They can all work if we have a good structure in place and more importantly, if they adapt to the club and league. 2 years ago I'd have said that ten hag is in that top tier of available managers and Pochettino probably around 3rd tier where I didn't really want him but would have some upside.

Tier avoid
  • Southgate
  • Mourinho
  • Conte
  • Emery
  • Simeone
  • Allegri
  • Pochettino
  • Deschamps
This tier are managers who just don't play the football that United should play, and so I'm convinced that one way or another it wouldn't work out.

The others like hassenhuttl or Lopetegui that I've seen in this thread shouldn't even be brought up (Mourinho shouldn't either).

I agree I'd also have Naglesmann in tier one if Klopp going to the German national team was a reality.

Have a feeling that De Zerbi at a top club with resources behind him would eclipse his peers. His management narrative is creating teams that punch above their weight and he's got credentials as a coach which has replicated itself across different leagues. I can also see the players rallying behind him given Kevin Prince's insight regarding his man-management.
 
I agree I'd also have Naglesmann in tier one if Klopp going to the German national team was a reality.

If we want Nagelsmann I think we should start our background work right now. He won't leave until after the Euros at a minimum but if we start 1-2 months later then I think he might even refuse to talk so he doesn't get distracted from the prep for the Euros.
 
Good post but even if you offer arteta to us, I would say no. The guy has to prove before being put in the list with pep klopp. Might be controversial but the guy is a huge hype.

Respectfully disagree, I would take arteta in a hypothetical world.

He has taken an inconsistent club, with disciplinary issues, would argue worse than united in that period to a better place, not in just league finish but style too.

So arteta for sure, he would probably buy rice over Casemiro for us
 
Respectfully disagree, I would take arteta in a hypothetical world.

He has taken an inconsistent club, with disciplinary issues, would argue worse than united in that period to a better place, not in just league finish but style too.

So arteta for sure, he would probably buy rice over Casemiro for us
Remember Ole also wanted rice but got Ronaldo.

Also, no chance arteta survives finishing 8th twice at a club like us. He would have been sacked many times.
 
It’ll really depend on who our new director of football is and which identity they choose for United moving forward.

If it’s Ashworth, I think he will go for either De Zerbi, Potter or the Girona manager Michel. Managers who seem to fit in his profile. And he seems to work well with them too.

If it’s Berta, then I wouldn’t be surprised if we ended up with a manager such as Inzaghi. Or even Conte.

If our new structure comes together and functions, then the role of the manager changes drastically for us. We should be able to interchange coaches without major downfall.
I'd have to question INEOS and Ashworth's decision making if they think this proven top club failure is worthy of United.
 
Out of the names I've seen or are somewhat realistic (so no Pep, Klopp, Arteta, Ancelotti or Zidane), I'd rank them like this...

Tier 1
  • De Zerbi
  • Xabi Alonso
Tier 2
  • Nagelsmann
  • Tuchel
  • Flick
  • Spalletti
  • Luis Enrique

Tier 3
  • Michel
  • Ruben Amorim
  • Inzaghi
Tier 4
  • Potter
  • Mckenna
  • Faraoli
I don't think Xabi Alonso is realistic, so I'd say De Zerbi is my top choice. Tier 2 all have some sort of baggage, where you know they are really good coaches but tend to not get along with whatever structure they're in or eventually have a fallout, or have a bit of a ceiling to what they do that maybe isn't high enough. Don't think any of these would reach 4 years but would do ok in the meantime. I'd be fine with any of these groups though, even Potter and Mckenna, for one reason or another. They can all work if we have a good structure in place and more importantly, if they adapt to the club and league. 2 years ago I'd have said that ten hag is in that top tier of available managers and Pochettino probably around 3rd tier where I didn't really want him but would have some upside.

Tier avoid
  • Southgate
  • Mourinho
  • Conte
  • Emery
  • Simeone
  • Allegri
  • Pochettino
  • Deschamps
This tier are managers who just don't play the football that United should play, and so I'm convinced that one way or another it wouldn't work out.

The others like hassenhuttl or Lopetegui that I've seen in this thread shouldn't even be brought up (Mourinho shouldn't either).
Where would Valverde fit?
 
Where would Valverde fit?
Probably on the not good enough to come list? Not enough upside with him, he was tried at Barca and didn't do all that well I'd say... But could be harsh because they were a mess of a club then. Can't say I watched enough of him to say if he did anything special that makes him worth consideration. So probably similar to Potter.
 
Looking at the lists of potential appointments doesn't fill me with any excitement. All have a significant cons against them and all would require a proper sporting structure around them to succeed. Hopefully once that is in place then the new decision makers at the club are able to find someone who fits well.
 
I can`t believe Mourinho`s name is even being mentioned. The sad thing is, if we could have got him after Sir Alex then that was the time to get him and United would have been on a different path. Coached at Real Madrid, managed later at Real Madrid, won silverware there, was successful at Chelsea, dealt with the top flight football clubs in different leagues.

Then we gave David Moyes the job, micro-managing to compensate for his lack of big club experience and inability to do such a difficult job following Sir Alex, more interested in forbidding players to eat chips and telling them he wanted to see loads of crossing in some games .

Mourinho always had interest in the United job but was employed too late.
 
Also, no chance arteta survives finishing 8th twice at a club like us. He would have been sacked many times.


Agree with your last point, would have been sacked for sure in reality.
But just for discussion, would we rather take some success in 1-2 years compromising style of play, or build a compatible style and then go for success.

it’s a chicken and egg problem :p
 
Agree with your last point, would have been sacked for sure in reality.
But just for discussion, would we rather take some success in 1-2 years compromising style of play, or build a compatible style and then go for success.

it’s a chicken and egg problem :p
Well if we are advocating for arteta and are ready to accept mediocre season or two then maybe we should stick with ETH and give him time.

I am fine with fans saying sack eth but then find it funny when they suggest arteta as an option. Arteta here with the setup we have would have done worse than Ole.
 
Let's get Luis Enrique when PSG sack him for some unfathomable reason.
If we want an accomplished manager, then he should be top of the list. Very very good manager.

My list would be:

1. Amorim
2. Enrique
 
No point bringing in De Zerbi until we have the foundations in place for him. We need a manager who can guide us through a tricky transition period and Emery would be my pick.
Yes, he did a great job of transitioning Arsenal away from Wengers influence. :nervous:
Honestly it would have been quite something for him to have looked bad at Villa following Stevie G.
 
Out of the names I've seen or are somewhat realistic (so no Pep, Klopp, Arteta, Ancelotti or Zidane), I'd rank them like this...

Tier 1
  • De Zerbi
  • Xabi Alonso
Tier 2
  • Nagelsmann
  • Tuchel
  • Flick
  • Spalletti
  • Luis Enrique

Tier 3
  • Michel
  • Ruben Amorim
  • Inzaghi
Tier 4
  • Potter
  • Mckenna
  • Faraoli
I don't think Xabi Alonso is realistic, so I'd say De Zerbi is my top choice. Tier 2 all have some sort of baggage, where you know they are really good coaches but tend to not get along with whatever structure they're in or eventually have a fallout, or have a bit of a ceiling to what they do that maybe isn't high enough. Don't think any of these would reach 4 years but would do ok in the meantime. I'd be fine with any of these groups though, even Potter and Mckenna, for one reason or another. They can all work if we have a good structure in place and more importantly, if they adapt to the club and league. 2 years ago I'd have said that ten hag is in that top tier of available managers and Pochettino probably around 3rd tier where I didn't really want him but would have some upside.

Tier avoid
  • Southgate
  • Mourinho
  • Conte
  • Emery
  • Simeone
  • Allegri
  • Pochettino
  • Deschamps
This tier are managers who just don't play the football that United should play, and so I'm convinced that one way or another it wouldn't work out.

The others like hassenhuttl or Lopetegui that I've seen in this thread shouldn't even be brought up (Mourinho shouldn't either).
You forgot Postegoclu on your hipster list! ;)
 
De zerbi or Nagelsmann are the two who I would look to hire. Rest I would be like meh, whatever.
Me too, and they would both want it at this point. Brightons season isn’t terrible so far but the idea to spend big and not lose everyone must be appealing. I guess it’s to early with the new management but my guess is the new management will actually develop the manager as well.

I’m very interested how either of them would do.

That's the trouble - there aren't many good options atm. Xabi Alonso won't join us, especially if Liverpool or Real Madrid come calling. Nagelsmann perhaps. There are few other names like Lopetegui, Hasenhuttl and Flick. We won't go for Conte.
Lopetegui? Why?
I can`t believe Mourinho`s name is even being mentioned.



Mourinho always had interest in the United job but was employed too late.

and that should be the end of that whole conversation.

two ways he should ever get considered

he becomes what he used to be in terms of efficiency but also adapting to the modern game with another team in the PL

if we need a caretaker for a few months till a better option is available.

we aren’t in that position at all, our best options will be available In the summer or are available now.
Toss him in the unrealistic column
I don’t know about that

i hope we get this Erik back,


https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...n-US&source=sh/x/im/m4/3&kgs=b0e11e281a322b78

loved how we played yesterday and if we see more or that rest of the season he’ll be fine. I know that is a possibility and not a certainty though.
 
I'd have to question INEOS and Ashworth's decision making if they think this proven top club failure is worthy of United.
Do you really blame Potter for what happened at Chelsea? I've never seen a manager so badly undermined by irresponsible transfer dealings. I'm not convinced he has what it takes to succeed here but I personally don't hold the Chelsea job against him at all. I think he will end up Englabd manager one day.
 
Out of the names I've seen or are somewhat realistic (so no Pep, Klopp, Arteta, Ancelotti or Zidane), I'd rank them like this...

Tier 1
  • De Zerbi
  • Xabi Alonso
Tier 2
  • Nagelsmann
  • Tuchel
  • Flick
  • Spalletti
  • Luis Enrique

Tier 3
  • Michel
  • Ruben Amorim
  • Inzaghi
Tier 4
  • Potter
  • Mckenna
  • Faraoli
I don't think Xabi Alonso is realistic, so I'd say De Zerbi is my top choice. Tier 2 all have some sort of baggage, where you know they are really good coaches but tend to not get along with whatever structure they're in or eventually have a fallout, or have a bit of a ceiling to what they do that maybe isn't high enough. Don't think any of these would reach 4 years but would do ok in the meantime. I'd be fine with any of these groups though, even Potter and Mckenna, for one reason or another. They can all work if we have a good structure in place and more importantly, if they adapt to the club and league. 2 years ago I'd have said that ten hag is in that top tier of available managers and Pochettino probably around 3rd tier where I didn't really want him but would have some upside.

Tier avoid
  • Southgate
  • Mourinho
  • Conte
  • Emery
  • Simeone
  • Allegri
  • Pochettino
  • Deschamps
This tier are managers who just don't play the football that United should play, and so I'm convinced that one way or another it wouldn't work out.

The others like hassenhuttl or Lopetegui that I've seen in this thread shouldn't even be brought up (Mourinho shouldn't either).
I'm sorry but I feel putting De Zerbi and Alonso in tier 1 over proven winners like Tuchel, Enrique, Flick, Conte, Emery, and Simeone has massive flavour of the month bias and won't age well. I get they have baggage and personally I wouldn't choose any of them (Enrique if I absolutely had to), but just that demonstrates how poor the options are currently. Which is why I'm ultimately still Ten Hag in as I don't believe any of those managers would do a significantly better job than Ten Hag with the state this club has been in. I'd rather hold fast and see if he can turn it around with a new structure and our best players back, and wait for an actual good candidate to become available in the meantime.
 
I'm sorry but I feel putting De Zerbi and Alonso in tier 1 over proven winners like Tuchel, Enrique, Flick, Conte, Emery, and Simeone has massive flavour of the month bias and won't age well. I get they have baggage and personally I wouldn't choose any of them (Enrique if I absolutely had to), but just that demonstrates how poor the options are currently. Which is why I'm ultimately still Ten Hag in as I don't believe any of those managers would do a significantly better job than Ten Hag with the state this club has been in. I'd rather hold fast and see if he can turn it around with a new structure and our best players back, and wait for an actual good candidate to become available in the meantime.
I am always surprised to see the ultimate flavour of the month appear in a list of proven serial winners. Flick had one amazing nine months long run in his whole career and did nothing noteworthy as a manager besides that. Yes, he won every possible title during that run, but it still was only one time where everything clicked and then it didn'ttake long to go bust for him. His management jobs before were low-level, and his management of our national team was just abysmal.
 
I am always surprised to see the ultimate flavour of the month appear in a list of proven serial winners. Flick had one amazing nine months long run in his whole career and did nothing noteworthy as a manager besides that. Yes, he won every possible title during that run, but it still was only one time where everything clicked and then it didn'ttake long to go bust for him. His management jobs before were low-level, and his management of our national team was just abysmal.

When fans want a manager replaced, some of them see any manager as better when they win a couple of games at their current clubs.

The best time to judge an “unproven” manager is when they have had a serious bad patch and how they handled it. There’s also one massive elephant in the room.

The reason a Zidane or maybe even a Pep can take their first jobs at major clubs is two fold. Quality of coaching but also being able to handle and tackle big egos. Ange, De Zebri and whoever is flavour of the month have no more experience at the absolute peak of the sport anymore then Moyes had when he joined. These lads have less experience than ETH.

I Know Ange has won a lot to be fair, but until you are at the pressure cooker club and ego squad environment, it’s difficult to say how they will react.

It’s not to say that neither could make it work at United. But getting spurs and Brighton to play nice football quickly does not mean you can come to United and make a success of it. Ole was able to quickly make us play quality football and nobody’s calling him the greatest manager in the world.

It really is a grass is always greener situation with some fans.
 
Me too, and they would both want it at this point. Brightons season isn’t terrible so far but the idea to spend big and not lose everyone must be appealing. I guess it’s to early with the new management but my guess is the new management will actually develop the manager as well.

I’m very interested how either of them would do.


Lopetegui? Why?


and that should be the end of that whole conversation.

two ways he should ever get considered

he becomes what he used to be in terms of efficiency but also adapting to the modern game with another team in the PL

if we need a caretaker for a few months till a better option is available.

we aren’t in that position at all, our best options will be available In the summer or are available now.

I don’t know about that

i hope we get this Erik back,


https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Erik_ten_Hag_2017.jpg&tbnid=J55A48P_3zJ6sM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_ten_Hag&docid=gvwF6_pZ6_WXuM&w=643&h=999&hl=en-US&source=sh/x/im/m4/3&kgs=b0e11e281a322b78

loved how we played yesterday and if we see more or that rest of the season he’ll be fine. I know that is a possibility and not a certainty though.
Will 'he be fine'? Based on what? We had our full team against a mid table Wolves who are themselves inconsistent. A better performance but we still cant control games, are often exposed through the middle and cant defend. We also have a manager who makes terrible and late substitutions, always reactive and does nothing when the momentum shifts. He panics like a league 2 manager and throws on centre backs and even then we cant defend corners or breaks. Lets not get carried away after Wolves. No way we win playing like that against a top 6 team. Which he has still to beat away. Itself a condemning stat.
 
Xabi Alonso is definitely not realistic with Klopp leaving. He won't choose us over Liverpool.
 
I Know Ange has won a lot to be fair, but until you are at the pressure cooker club and ego squad environment, it’s difficult to say how they will react.

Being Celtic manager is probably quite good preparation for the kind of pressure and scrutiny he would be under at United.
 
Being Celtic manager is probably quite good preparation for the kind of pressure and scrutiny he would be under at United.

Chalk and cheese for me

You don’t see any Celtic managers managing super massive clubs in Europe. Brendan Rodger’s is probably the closest.

Doesn't mean Ange won’t break that record but it’s a theory that hasn’t been tested yet. I’d argue that managing Celtic, is a step or two below managing Ajax, particularly when it comes to the CL experience ETH got.
 
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