Surely, with new structure and proper football people in the club, Ange would prefer to manage Man Utd than Spurs? Make it happen next season!
Who replaces Ten Hag?
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I’m not having this bollocks at all. He was the up and coming manager in European football at the time.
He wasn’t some fecking unknown no mark manager.
Yeah it may not have worked out but it’s revisionism at its finest to suggest he was a nobody who came from obscurity.
You are 100% correct.
I have doubts about this "great football" he played at Ajax too. It didn't look very special from the couple of matches I saw them play in the CL and KNVB cup. What happens is a couple of hipsters read nonsense from these other hipster accounts on twitter or what not who claim to be football experts. Then they come here and try to impress everyone with their deep knowledge and understanding of football by using nonsense like "you don't need fast players as the ball moves faster than the players", "First phase midfielder" etc. They write hagiographies of managers, Dof's, Sporting directors etc, which in reality are total nonsense based on very little. They almost become propagandists for these guys and the simple fan buys into it. And then we have a cult of a manager who would deny their own eyes and blindly support the VG's, the ETH's etc.
Nah man, there was solid reasoning behind signing Ten Hag. It might have worked out if we didn't have absolute idiots in charge of recruitment.
Right now the weight of his decisions keeps adding up. Every line up selection, substitution, training session, player interaction are going to be on the players' minds. With a clean sheet he might be able to turn it around but not now.
Need a big name as new manager. Mourinho and Louie Van gaal almost made it if wasn’t for Pogba. Eth as manager is nonsense.
Nagelsmann is hugely overrated. We'd be on the end of some huge defeats with his idiotic tactics.
Ange hasn't been managing at a competitive level long enough to properly judge. We'd be taking a risk with him.
It's a risk worth taking, no manager is a quarantee success. He came in PL without excuses of needing time and his own players. He dived straight into attacking football his own ways. He is more attacking than even Pep and Klopp. I think he will be wanted by many big clubs soon.
Xabi Alonso would be an obvious choice, but with his scouser history I think it's impossible. He's probably heading to Madrid after this season, anyway. I don't think Emery would leave Aston Villa for us(sounds "crazy", but it's probably true). That leaves De Zerbi, I guess? If not him, then I would give Carrick a chance, even though it's likely too early for his managerial career.
Graham Potter looks so uninspiring to me, hope the rumors about him are not serious.
Graham Potter looks so uninspiring to me, hope the rumors about him are not serious.
Busby played for Liverpool if I'm not mistaken, still meant shit and it means the same for Alonso.
We need a manager not a supporter, performance is key, not heritage.
Maybe we get Ole and Giggs back and add Greenwood back into the squad. Manchester United 2024-25 season: Redemption!
Alonso is the next Liverpool manager.
I read that Ancelotti is retiring after this season.
I read that Ancelotti is retiring after this season.
Which could mean that Alonso is the next Real manager.
Yes, but this could still be a honeymoon period. I'd prefer to judge him after another full season.
I don't think he was unknown, but he wasn't "the" up and coming manager in European football. Nagelsmann is a better fit for that descriptor.
He's a less than a week away from turning 82 and for all anybody knows, he might still be grieving the loss of his wife. Let the man enjoy his retirement.
I’m not sure I understand your point. If I what you are saying is the expensive interim and the new permanent manager will be exactly the same in philosophy and approach - then why bother appointing an interim?
If you’re saying the new football people above this manager will act completely independent of the manager or any of their wishes, and just buy whoever they want, that’s not how a club is run. That’s just called “Chelsea”
What is the guarantee that this new structure and proper football people will be successful?
I agree. There’s definitely a lot of Monday morning Quarterbacks at work here now who are professing wisdom after the event.
Ten Hag was seen as one of the best available coaches, people like Henry tried to get him the Barcelona job, etc.
I absolutely wanted the guy and I really hoped he was going to do a great job. Doesn’t look like it’s going to work out that way, which is sad, but I’m not gonna start shitting on the guy now.
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It's gonna be Potter, at least on interim basis.
I don't mind Potter while we sort out the structure above the manager.
In the summer, we should try to get Alonso if he is available. Ange is probably a no go considering we would have to deal with Levy.
I don't mind Potter while we sort out the structure above the manager.
In the summer, we should try to get Alonso if he is available. Ange is probably a no go considering we would have to deal with Levy.
Why would millionaire Graham Potter take the Manchester United job on an interim basis? What does he get out of it?
Why do so many people have a hard-on for Alonso, who has been a top flight manager for a season?
Why do so many people have a hard-on for Alonso, who has been a top flight manager for a season?
Because interim manager may have the same philosophy and idea, but he doesn't have the ability to get the team to the next level in longer run.
The right permanent manager is not always available.
The way Chelsea operation is not wrong in principles. What is going wrong with Chelsea is what ETH backers want: overhauling the squad in few windows, flooding the teams with new players. Chelsea football is more fluid pin average than what ETH is serving. They lack consistency because almost every positions are inconsistent with all the changes.
Why Klopp said it was the football people at Liverpool that signed Salah? Why did Klopp said he would retire regarding Pogba signing, then his club started to make mega world record signings with Liverpool went on to make VVD and Allison?
Welcome to modern football, where competent recruitment team would find and make important signings for the clubs.
So, you’d rather squander millions on an interim manager (one who will agree to come for five months and has the “right philosophy”), than take the time and actually sort the mess out? Nothing you say makes common sense to me. You think Chelsea are doing it right?
You ARE Boehly
You're doing more damage with a failing manager who can't keep his word straight: can't play Varane as LCB then went ahead playing him there after his fecking hipster tactic failed miserably using shite defenders for the jobs. Spending the rest of season using the club as his own experiment with shite tactic that is now proven to fail against even semi decent teams? The way this season going, it's breaking new negative record. There is no nothing in football principle to be built. That's much money well spent than having a manager who damage even players' fitness by running the players into ground. Damaging all the players, then what? You ARE asking to overhauling the whole squad for ETH sake. That's exactly Boehly doing. Not that recruitment team make signing independently. You spent few millions to not piss future useful players off.
Why half quoted my previous post?
Way to show yourself with straw man' argument, ETH assworshipper. There is no reasoning with you lot. Don't expect people to fix your own delusion.
See, you don’t understand. Read any of my posts and I think you’ll find I’m far from an “ETH assworshiper” and insulting me is not really a way to conduct discussion.
Also, as to the half quote your post, are you sure you weren’t editing it when I replied?
Of course, Klopp’s recruitment team have never had a duff signing, have they..?
Also, you responded to a post I made about making an interim manager appointment. Nothing to do with Ten Hag. You just decided to waffle on and post your own agenda.
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I saw their games away at Madrid and both legs vs Juve - they were exciting, playing on the front foot, fearlessly, creating nice combinations, against on-paper much better teams. Nothing like what we play this season, which is a mindless front-foot mentality, and even though last season had decent spells of football, it looked nothing like his Ajax.
I haven't seen any hispter accounts ffs. I saw that team and was impressed.
The problem is that we're basically talking about a 3 game spell nearly 5 years ago which so many hang their hat on about how good Ten Hag is.
I saw their games away at Madrid and both legs vs Juve - they were exciting, playing on the front foot, fearlessly, creating nice combinations, against on-paper much better teams. Nothing like what we play this season, which is a mindless front-foot mentality, and even though last season had decent spells of football, it looked nothing like his Ajax.
I haven't seen any hispter accounts ffs. I saw that team and was impressed.
It was followed up by blowing a 3 goal lead to Spurs. Far more of an indicator of what we had to come in the CL.
Sure, though I don't think any of the football played under him here has been good enough to establish a 3-goal lead in a CL semifinal! I also think it's slightly silly to judge a coach by a 10 minute collapse with multiple individual mistakes. There are so many instances like that for City in the CL under Pep (including to that same Spurs team) that one might assume he's the worst big name manager around.
I want ETH out.
I resent this nonsense that only "hipsters" saw those games and thought he was good. Just because he's been a shambolic disaster this season, doesn't mean that everything he has ever done is worthless.
ETH impressed people with his second Ajax team recently in the CL, shown he could do it with much lesser players a second time in terms of possession and playstyle, check the games against Dortmund and Sporting under Amorim. Some keep harping on about that run ended by Spurs but this had a lot of young stars and at that time was a one off with a high quality group coming through that got sold off. ETH's second team was impressive with different players and the way they played. It gave hope he could do it here.
Without ETH Ajax have dropped off massively but also they have their own philosophy/training and was helped by Overmars. ETH needed huge support when coming here, he's very limited in the player market knowledge and has gone down a very wrong path here unfortunately. I think he'll find success in a similar situation to that of Ajax. Said from the start right man wrong club and needed huge support and that he's wasting his time here. To survive he has to walk back his mistakes and trust the new structure in bringing in technical players but he's pretty much done I feel either soon or near the end of the season.
Without ETH Ajax have dropped off massively but also they have their own philosophy/training and was helped by Overmars. ETH needed huge support when coming here, he's very limited in the player market knowledge and has gone down a very wrong path here unfortunately. I think he'll find success in a similar situation to that of Ajax. Said from the start right man wrong club and needed huge support and that he's wasting his time here. To survive he has to walk back his mistakes and trust the new structure in bringing in technical players but he's pretty much done I feel either soon or near the end of the season.
Perhaps 'a nobody' is harsh but he was only potentially a good manager. Not proven or anywhere near that level. You can't ever prove yourself for this job by managing in Eredivisie. Peter Bosz has won every game so far this season in that league, he's managed in other leagues throughout Europe and failed. He'll probably win the league there this season, but he'll still be seen as not good enough for a top team. Doing things in Eredivisie and one decent run in the CL doesn't prove much really. The rest of the time they were getting dumped out in the group stages if I recall correctly.
Who said this "You ARE Boehly"? Crying after being served the same name calling tactic?
You're as far from an "ETH assworshipper" as the distance between the two nostrils.You hid behind the implication that unless there was no proven top class appointment, there shouldn't be change. Your whole argument based solely on bad example of Chelsea Boehly who gutting and almost replacing he whole squad in very few transfer window. The very same suggestion you people think that would improve our situation.
Show me a club, a DOF, traditional manager who never made multiple dud signings. Should I help you? There is no such thing. A successful recruitment policy would have positive significantly outweighing the negative under the right manager. Recruitment process including sacking failing managers for zero expected shouldn't and never have been halted by waiting for the right manager.
Where is the example that club hold onto a deadman walking failing manager so they can change the whole club structure, overhauling and replacing the whole squad?
I wasn't opposed to giving him a chance, I'm always happy to give an opportunity for potential where it could become something good. But I am also against flogging a dead horse when it's clearly failed. Just a waste of time and money for everyone involved.
Who said this "You ARE Boehly"? Crying after being served the same name calling tactic?
You hid behind the implication that unless there was no proven top class appointment, there shouldn't be change. Your whole argument based solely on bad example of Chelsea Boehly who gutting and almost replacing he whole squad in very few transfer window. The very same suggestion you people think that would improve our situation.
“You people”? Seriously? Prove I said anything like that.
What has this to do with the point?
Where did I say hold on to Ten Hag? Prove it.
I “hid” behind the implication there should be no change unless as top class replacement can be found? Are you for real?
Do you actually read the posts you reply to or simply just graft your own interpretation on them and rant irrelevancy?
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Evading counter question again.
Try again
Show me a club, a DOF, traditional manager who never made multiple dud signings.
for your strawman argument:
"Of course, Klopp’s recruitment team have never had a duff signing, have they..?"
Are you having memory loss issue? You don't remember what you're saying and accusing people not reading?! You're real now. A real troll.
Who said this "You ARE Boehly"? Crying after being served the same name calling tactic?
You hid behind the implication that unless there was no proven top class appointment, there shouldn't be change. Your whole argument based solely on bad example of Chelsea Boehly who gutting and almost replacing he whole squad in very few transfer window. The very same suggestion you people think that would improve our situation.
Show me a club, a DOF, traditional manager who never made multiple dud signings. Should I help you? There is no such thing. A successful recruitment policy would have positive significantly outweighing the negative under the right manager. Recruitment process including sacking failing managers for zero expected shouldn't and never have been halted by waiting for the right manager.
Where is the example that club hold onto a deadman walking failing manager so they can change the whole club structure, overhauling and replacing the whole squad?
Show me my strawman argument and prove you’re not trolling.
I really don't understand why he wouldn't adopt a similar strategy here, I believe he had the support, he got the signings he wanted and he got enough time - 1.5 years is more than enough.
There are managers that cannot get past a certain level or that "burn out" quickly.
Survival is not an option for him I'm afraid, he's well past that point and only a miracle can get us going again under him.
Seriously, what point are you retrying to make?
You cried I did not quote your Klopp point, because you added it after I replied to you:
“Why Klopp said it was the football people at Liverpool that signed Salah? Why did Klopp said he would retire regarding Pogba signing, then his club started to make mega world record signings with Liverpool went on to make VVD and Allison?”
What was your point with this? What does it have to do with an interim manager?
Tell me what your Klopp point had to do with an interim?
He got hinted early you have to build the team around Varane, Rashford, Bruno, DeGea. None of which fits the Ajax* mould ETH needs.
Was about to post the same thing. Bizarre.
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