Not saying I support any decision at this moment in time to off the manager but it seems like no matter who's in charge the football is lethargic, static and uninspiring. Should be a manager who has a forward approach and that plays good football. ETH presumably matched that criteria but by admission of his own ideology it feels like the possession oriented stuff was more on Ajax as opposed to the manager.
Who replaces Ten Hag?
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I hope things improve as well as I quite like ETH and I really felt like he was the one to get us going in the right direction again. Even if he loses the dressing room, I can't see much point in an interim. Look at how the Lampard interim period went, and Ralf didn't get up to much either. Even if he loses the dressing room and stays, I genuinely won't care if it pisses any of the players off enough for them to seek a move elsewhere. I don't care for any of them really.
If things don't improve then next summer would be a better time to make an assessment on possible replacements, as at that point we will have had the course of this season to judge the potential of other managers.
There's no point until the Glazers are gone, otherwise we're just replacing one poor sap who is being set up to fail with another, and around we go again. Complete waste of time, we should focus on getting rid of the Glazers rather than be distracted with "ETH in or out" nonsense.
Glazers out over anything
But they are not going though are they? They will be here until someone pays them their 15 billion quid.
And when someone is ready to pay, they will ask for 20 billion.
How exactly have The Glazers prevented ETH doing better than he has?
We probably can't even afford to sack him. Not that I want him sacked.
if we do get rid, we'll be back here in the same situation in 18 months - 2 years time. Who would even want the job anyway.
if we do get rid, we'll be back here in the same situation in 18 months - 2 years time. Who would even want the job anyway.
Historically that’s true but ETH has been backed massively in the last 12 months. He’s been given money and obviously the targets are his most of them are former players.
For this season I'd be happy with just using youth players at this point.
Give it t' Giggsey, til end of' season.
What about Guardiola?
Pere Guardiola.
Pere Guardiola.
Any regular poster in the draft games forum.
Marcelo Gallardo
Need to first get rid of players holding the squad back from a sheer quality standpoint (Maguire, Mctominay) and knock down the egos of underperforming inconsistent highly-paid players (Bruno, Rashford, Casemiro). Only then will the manager's plan get through. Nobody should be undroppable no matter your wage. If you play poorly, you should be dropped. Simple as. Then we can get to the issue of the philosophy and style.
Pros for keeping Ten Hag on:
1. Last year.
2. Massive injury crisis. Bound to get better when players come back.
3. He has taken bold decisions to uproot or marginalize grossly underperforming players (De Gea, Maguire, Fred, Mctominay etc.) Far bolder decisions than previous post-Fergie managers have taken. The job is not yet fully done because some of these players are still lingering at the club and if he is fired, those clowns will be right back in the main picture which will set us back once again.
Cons:
1. Circa £400m spent in two windows and we look no better than under previous managers. The style of play is simply not improving and that is not acceptable.
2. Very questionable use of funds made available to him which has resulted in nearly everyone saying transfer decision making should be taken away from him.
3. No great candidates available currently to replace him so it will most likely be someone worse we hire if he is fired.
Pros for keeping Ten Hag on:
1. Last year.
2. Massive injury crisis. Bound to get better when players come back.
3. He has taken bold decisions to uproot or marginalize grossly underperforming players (De Gea, Maguire, Fred, Mctominay etc.) Far bolder decisions than previous post-Fergie managers have taken. The job is not yet fully done because some of these players are still lingering at the club and if he is fired, those clowns will be right back in the main picture which will set us back once again.
Cons:
1. Circa £400m spent in two windows and we look no better than under previous managers. The style of play is simply not improving and that is not acceptable.
2. Very questionable use of funds made available to him which has resulted in nearly everyone saying transfer decision making should be taken away from him.
3. No great candidates available currently to replace him so it will most likely be someone worse we hire if he is fired.
Because it's a roll of the dice and we're still left with Arnold, Murtough and the rest of the idiots in charge?
For what it's worth I actually want us to roll the dice with someone else now, but I don't expect it to change anything unfortunately.
Is it a strict condition that if we don't make it into Europe at the end of the season, it's contract terminated?
no one unless you want another systemic manager who also failed when he was outside of his comfort zone. Hansi Flick
But Glazers need to feck off first
But Glazers need to feck off first
Why not? It worked out great for Chelsea when they hired Potter. Oh wait…
Well there’s always a chance the on field performances will improve, which should be our only concern at the moment. We can’t fix everything but we can fix somethings and who knows, maybe the other stuff follows afterwards.
It's a pointless discussion, since the club's decision is to build a team around star players who see football as a game of "give me the ball and i'll try something magical". You can bring De Zerbi here tomorrow and the best he'll come up with is partnerships between two players here and there on the pitch. The only way for this Groundhog Day loop we're in to stop is for a manager to draw very clear lines before he signs on the dotted line. If he doesn't do that but compromises instead, like ETH and Solskjaer did, he will always be a victim of whatever short-term success that kept him in the job in his early days. Then, the next step is to bring a bus full of experts that will do what is required so that the manager will only focus on training and match preparation.
Let’s be honest. You said Ange BECAUSE he went to Spurs and is doing a decent job so far….
Interesting shout but the Caf would run him out of town quicker than Ole/ETH like when he was coach.
Liverpool legend, what could go wrong?!
Exactly. You’re a wise old bird, Pidgey!
They appointed him because Bohely liked the way he sold them Cucurella.
Moyesey part II: with a vengeance
Would rather have Mourinho Part II if we went back to old managers.
Mourinho did well with a shit hand. Too bad his ego got in the way and he deservedly got sacked.
Doesn't matter. It will be the same shower of shite. The club is rotten to the very core and no one can succeed here. Just different degrees of failure.
I think he will be gone by January, though, probably after the humiliation at Anfield. The football is genuinely awful and the performances have caught up, and will continue to do so. It will be a caretaker, either Rooney or Carrick. Then... I honestly don't know. Probably make the caretaker permanent? But as I said, it doesn't matter. The failure of the sale has seen to that.
I think he will be gone by January, though, probably after the humiliation at Anfield. The football is genuinely awful and the performances have caught up, and will continue to do so. It will be a caretaker, either Rooney or Carrick. Then... I honestly don't know. Probably make the caretaker permanent? But as I said, it doesn't matter. The failure of the sale has seen to that.
I think it just affects any compensation due following termination of contract, rather than being an automatic termination...
Agreed. Whats the point in sacking a manager whos partway through a rebuild?
We just rinse and repeat history post fergie? Next manager comes in and decides he doeant want Mount, Antony, Onana. Then what?
Ten hag wants to play possession football, but has some players he has to keep who dont suit his philosophy. Bruno being one of them.
Ten Hag football philosophy isnt hard to understand:
a. inverted wingers attacking the half spaces
b. attacking full backs keeping the width and providing overlaps for the inverted wingers.
c. A high defensive line with a sweeper-keeper to mop up balls played in behind.
d. a high press with the aim to win the ball back within 6-7 seconds or then fall back into shape and wait for next opportunity to try again.
e. central midfielders who are press resistant and can break lines but also keep possession.
Most of this currently doesnt happen. There are too many players who dont fit his system or are missing. Bruno constantly wants to force chance creation or pass forwards only. Rashford wants to try to beat players and get a shot on goal. Neither of them are playing to ETH's system. But the overall quality is so low that he has to rely on these two for their moment of individual brilliance.
When you see Arsenal and City play, you see players who have bought into their managers system. They cut the ball back to teammates in better positions. They help each other by creating an assist when its more probable to lead to a chance than a hit and hope selfish shot.
We are miles off, becuase the players arent listening and the bar has droppex so very low.
Im not blaming ETH for that. Guardiola would struggle with this mismash of a squad. Take the wide forward postions. We have two actual wingers: pellestri and garnacho. Rashford is a wide forward. Sancho and Antony are wide play makers. The latter two are so heavily reliant on attacking fullbacks of the quality of a hakimi or a cancelo to get the best out of them.
Changing the manager is the last thing this club should do. It would be post fergie groundhog day over and over again.
Wouldn't make a big difference. Unless it was someone of the stature of Pep, who would never be desperate enough to work under such a structure and model to begin with - there ain't nobody who's sheer ability is going to outweigh the anchor around their neck that the ownership and culture will become.
There is every indication ETH is a fantastic manager. He was one of the best upcoming managers around at Ajax. Won what he needed to win, known for producing good footballing sides. Heck, he's won something here and shown ability, what better indicator would you want than actually winning something. He has his flaws, his recruitment is questionable at this level of club, but he shouldn't even be fecking doing that to the extent he is in the first place.
Here it has become increasingly clear that everything except having some money to spend is working against you. But simply having money to spend is not enough - everyone spends.
There is every indication ETH is a fantastic manager. He was one of the best upcoming managers around at Ajax. Won what he needed to win, known for producing good footballing sides. Heck, he's won something here and shown ability, what better indicator would you want than actually winning something. He has his flaws, his recruitment is questionable at this level of club, but he shouldn't even be fecking doing that to the extent he is in the first place.
Here it has become increasingly clear that everything except having some money to spend is working against you. But simply having money to spend is not enough - everyone spends.
I think you deserve my tagline more than me.
So our choices are the following according to other posters in this thread
Flick
McKenna
Xabi Alonso
Di Zerbi
Inzaghi
Ancelotti (who has already accepted another job)
Scaloni
Cracking list of candidates
We can also try a fictional manager who will be SAF reborn. Maybe big Ange will fancy it and we can hope Liverpool get 2 men sent off.
Flick
McKenna
Xabi Alonso
Di Zerbi
Inzaghi
Ancelotti (who has already accepted another job)
Scaloni
Cracking list of candidates
We can also try a fictional manager who will be SAF reborn. Maybe big Ange will fancy it and we can hope Liverpool get 2 men sent off.
They haven’t supported him enough with signings, haven’t allowed him to purchase entire Ajax team just half of it.
They appointed him because he done a great job within a very well run club whose structure is class from top to bottom. Something Chelsea and Man Utd are the complete opposite of, I suspect if De Zerbi travelled the same path and walked into the shit show that is a Glazer operated Man Utd he’d go the exact same way Potter did at Chelsea.
Was the 1st name that came to me too.
I’ve heard a few good things about him. Still, it’s not just him that’ll fix the place, it’s all the people above him that need to change.
I'll have a go.
Replace the squad
Carrick ?
Give it to Jonesy obviously not
Agreed
Most of my posts throughout the summer covered this issue. As it stands Uniteds managers are a hybrid director of football minimalist, full time manager, part time coach and psychology welfare advisor. Too much happening.
Big brain move from him to not accept any offers.
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