Who replaces Ten Hag?

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Theo88 said:
i find this topic very confusing.
There seem to be 2 camps here, one stating we need a young coach, the next Pep, Jose. This was arguably the move last year with E10H. Whether it worked or not everyone have their opinions and the majority is probably stating it has failed catastrophically.

Then the other camp is arguing (perhaps) are asking for a 'proven' coach (PL, title winning known tactician, known to steady the ship etc). More of an Ancellotti approach maybe.

Both sides probably have merits but my two cents:
  1. The next Pep or Jose will not be a known force / superstar currently. They would be showing promise. This is where McKenna probably falls. People stating UTD isnt the place for a manager to prove themselves but if you look at some of the most successful managers in recent years they all made a very big jump at some stage without much track record. Jose went from Porto to Inter, Pep went from a nobody to managing Barca's first team, Zidane went from a nobody to managing Real, Arteta went from an assistant manager to leading Arsenal. There are also numerous examples of promising managers that failed (special two easily comes to mind).
  2. Known managerial quantities might not be too eager to manage this team. At this moment UTD is a train wreck. Our team is poor, we have no european cups next year (conference?) and the spending will be very limited (compared to previous years most likely). We have deadwood (again) and some of those contracts are ridiculous. Our front 3 the last 5 games have an average age of 21. Still, we have some weird personalities in this team who might benefit from a known managerial quantity. Have a feeling Zidane would headbutt/thundercnut some of our players back to the stone age given how they are acting in some games.
  3. All great managers have tonnes of failures, and some shitty managers have no failures in their resume.
  4. I'm assuming the directors will have to make a decision; do we want promise and someone to break the mould, or do we want a steady Joe who can give you a steady 6-7 until we get there in a few years. There's no absolute truth. Other than..
  5. Southgate is a joke :lol:
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Simple game over complicated by idiots, I think the saying goes.

Just take Ralf’s easy takes it works literally for any football club who are competent.

Pick a style: Fast Attacking football

Pick a Manager who can coach that style: Kiran McKenna

Buy players for that style: Olise; Good 1v1 CBs, Athletic Midfielders; Ollie Watkins.

You’ve got a blueprint for success. As you improve the quality of players and coaches improve with it. But it should really be an easy decision from the higher ups. Questions can be had on which manager can deliver that style must of you guys can probably come up with pro’s and con’s that was just my choice and the players should also be easy to pick once we know our style. You wouldn’t be picking a 30 year old Christian Eriksen or Armabat with that in mind.
 
NLunited said:
And, we need to avoid appointing a bad fit like Mourinho was.
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Mourinho's downfall occurred when Upstairs backed the likes of Pogba, Martial and Shaw ahead of him. Jose won trophies and took us to second place with a defence of Phil Jones and Chris Smalling, but he wouldn't pander to Pogba's nonsense, called Shaw unfit, declared Martial unmanageable and shouted at Rashford.

Player power, because it is easier to sack the coach. Critics will bemoan his transfers, but we know there's much more to that than the manager.

If EtH is to be removed, Tuchel is the only suitable replacement. Potter's disastrous Chelsea spell is his only experience at our level. He, and Southgate, should not be anywhere near the conversation of taking over United.

Either of those appointments would smack of ideological choices rather than anything practical, and a return to the dreadful cronyism of Woodward.

Massive decision ahead.
 
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NLunited said:
If we do move on I hope we do it with some class. It was embarrassing how we sacked Van Gaal.

And, we need to avoid appointing a bad fit like Mourinho was.
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I think the decision has already been made either ways and I'd say ETH knows what it is too, either leaving or staying. I could be wrong, but that's my opinion.
 
doubleohseven said:
Mourinho's downfall occurred when Upstairs backed the likes of Pogba, Martial and Shaw ahead of him. Jose won trophies and took us to second place with a defence of Phil Jones and Chris Smalling, but he wouldn't pander to Pogba's nonsense, called Shaw unfit, declared Martial unmanageable and shouted at Rashford.

Player power, because it is easier to sack the coach. Critics will bemoan his transfers, but we know there's much more to that than the manager.

If EtH is to be removed, Tuchel is the only suitable replacement. Potter's disastrous Chelsea spell is his only experience at our level. He, and Southgate, should not be anywhere near the conversation of taking over United.

Either of those appointments would smack of ideological choices rather than anything practical, and a return to the dreadful cronyism of Woodward.

Massive decision ahead.
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Nah Mourinho was a disaster all around, the trophies weren’t worth it. The way we played towards the EL cup was awful.

I was hopeful Mourinho would build on LvG’s work (he was his assistant) but he didn’t. Wrong choice in several respects.
 
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Varun1 said:
If you're in the 'sack EtH' camp, wouldn't it make more sense do it before the final as the players will be know that they have to fight for their spot next season... The new manager bounce basically.

We've seen that EtH can't win big matches, might as well give it to McLaren for one game imo.

Do people think a better manager would get more out of Antony? Am interested to know that.
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Don't Antony play under ETH ( and well apparently) at Ajax?
 
Varun1 said:
If you're in the 'sack EtH' camp, wouldn't it make more sense do it before the final as the players will be know that they have to fight for their spot next season... The new manager bounce basically.

We've seen that EtH can't win big matches, might as well give it to McLaren for one game imo.

Do people think a better manager would get more out of Antony? Am interested to know that.
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If ETH survived this long, then let him finish his job(fiasco). He can at least walk away with a nice trophy like LVG did, even though the chances are minuscule.
A better manager could get more out of Antony, the question is how much more...I guess from 1 goal a season to 2? Or is it too hopeful.
 
Varun1 said:
If you're in the 'sack EtH' camp, wouldn't it make more sense do it before the final as the players will be know that they have to fight for their spot next season... The new manager bounce basically.

We've seen that EtH can't win big matches, might as well give it to McLaren for one game imo.
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Wait what? He will have played in 3 'big matches' (finals) in 2 years with currently a 50% win ratio.
 
Atm, the 3 available and realistic options are Tuchel, McKenna and De Zebri.

I am ok with any of them. We just can't keep ETH and of course no Southgate.
 
The big reason to take McKenna is that he is able to just make use of whatever players given to him and perform well. He has done that at Ipswich with basically average League One players to qualify for PL.

Tuchel and De Zebri may want to bring in certain players to play their style of play and may need a few window to build their team again.
 
Maybe I’m remembering wrong, but this is the first manager we’ve had where we’ve reached a point like this and there’s still so much uncertainty about what’s going to happen to them.

It felt like all of the rest of them, there was a feeling that they were gone for a while before they were, but with ETH, there’s nothing, nothing really pointing towards him being gone, but also nothing really saying that he stays.

Regardless of my personal feelings on the matter, I feel like if he was gone there would have been something floating around pointing in that direction. If I were forced to make a guess I would say that it’s likely he stays. Either that or Ineos are running an extremely tight ship on leaking things to the media.
 
Cloud7 said:
Maybe I’m remembering wrong, but this is the first manager we’ve had where we’ve reached a point like this and there’s still so much uncertainty about what’s going to happen to them.

It felt like all of the rest of them, there was a feeling that they were gone for a while before they were, but with ETH, there’s nothing, nothing really pointing towards him being gone, but also nothing really saying that he stays.

Regardless of my personal feelings on the matter, I feel like if he was gone there would have been something floating around pointing in that direction. If I were forced to make a guess I would say that it’s likely he stays. Either that or Ineos are running an extremely tight ship on leaking things to the media.
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I’d say it’s more the later. Not wanting to rock the boat before the Cup Final.
 
George The Best said:
Be surprised if he went back to Chelsea, considering the way he was treated - but he might still have a house in the London area, so would suit him logistically
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Most managers don't take sackings as personally as the Caf does. I don't think it'll be an issue for him.
 
fergiewherearethou said:
If ETH survived this long, then let him finish his job(fiasco). He can at least walk away with a nice trophy like LVG did, even though the chances are minuscule.
A better manager could get more out of Antony, the question is how much more...I guess from 1 goal a season to 2? Or is it too hopeful.
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How about getting more out of Sancho? We do have a winger who is on loan, playing in a CL final…
 
Pickle85 said:
It's a helluva risk to take in a final. While I get the new manager bounce thing, there's also a good chance that a new manager would field a side that was disjointed and short on instructions. I can't think of a single instance in which a manager has ever been sacked just before a final.
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I mean that's describing Manchester United for the past year now. Not like it would be any worse
 
George The Best said:
Be surprised if he went back to Chelsea, considering the way he was treated - but he might still have a house in the London area, so would suit him logistically
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Chelsea hiring him again definitely would include speaking about those days. Probably would be a way of closing that unfortunate chapter of his personal history for Tuchel.
 
doubleohseven said:
Mourinho's downfall occurred when Upstairs backed the likes of Pogba, Martial and Shaw ahead of him. Jose won trophies and took us to second place with a defence of Phil Jones and Chris Smalling, but he wouldn't pander to Pogba's nonsense, called Shaw unfit, declared Martial unmanageable and shouted at Rashford.

Player power, because it is easier to sack the coach. Critics will bemoan his transfers, but we know there's much more to that than the manager.

If EtH is to be removed, Tuchel is the only suitable replacement. Potter's disastrous Chelsea spell is his only experience at our level. He, and Southgate, should not be anywhere near the conversation of taking over United.

Either of those appointments would smack of ideological choices rather than anything practical, and a return to the dreadful cronyism of Woodward.

Massive decision ahead.
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Agree with what you have said about Mourinho. 2nd place with 81 points....
But it ended badly and there was no going back. Mourinho is history.
If Ten Hag goes, United must not recruit another failing manager/coach.
Who that might be remains to be seen.
 
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