Also if it is the case that a new structure will make him realise that playing a system that gives opposing teams massive amounts of space isn't a great idea then realistically he needs to be given a new contract because it won't be in place properly until next summer anyway. People can't espouse the importance of the new structure and how transformative it could be and then think it's all in place given that we currently have no director of football, an interim CEO until July, a technical director who joined in late April and no head of recruitment.
Who replaces Ten Hag?
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The board gives the manager a brief description and the manager is supposed to be hired based on the fact he fits the bill.
I’m sure the description won’t be we need fullbacks to tuck in to create defensive support on attacks and we need a number 10 with the freedom of the park.
It will be we need to see attacking football with control with and without the ball. The head coach will then be employed to see out that task with the tactics they deploy.
I agree on your point however the most chaotic clubs have been on the top for years just based on the wealth in comparison to competition. We’ve been unfortunate we have a Man City in this league which has everything. But it’s not the holy grail however it will help when you consider who we will have to compete against. But it doesn’t have to be the best structure. Liverpool and Arsenal can confirm this.
Rightly so? He’s got no right to be anywhere near the club after this seasons shit show. If INEOS do decide to stick with him then he can count himself very lucky.
Been keeping an eye on the next United manager odds on Bet365.
Been some movement, Southgate, Tuchel and Potter have all drifted since yesterday.
Frank, Mckenna and Ange have all had their prices dropped.
Ange for United ???
Been some movement, Southgate, Tuchel and Potter have all drifted since yesterday.
Frank, Mckenna and Ange have all had their prices dropped.
Ange for United ???
I think that’s to do with Ornsteins latest news that if INEOS do decide to change manager neither of those options would rank particularly highly on their list.
It's like some posters are living in an alternative reality.8th place, out of an easy CL group after finishing bottom, look crap in defence and attack, extremely questionable tactics. And all of this after heading up our transfer team and spending£400m on his own players, who he has actually previously worked with, and still managed to get it wrong. At any other club he would have been sacked long ago and the fans wouldn't even be thinking about him anymore. Yet here, our fans want more of this.Perhaps it's some sort of self-flagellation that some fans feel they need to do.
Can't see it being any of them at this stage personally. I was starting to think maybe Potter, but Ornstein pouring some cold water on it has dampened that as I don't think he speaks about something so significant unless he is sourced. So now I can't really think of anyone.
Thinking now it'll be Ten Hag staying longer. If they do change, I think it'll be someone nobody is talking about
I am sure we'll be looking for continuity in our managerial appointments so that we don't have to buy every new manager a new team before we can judge them like we have in the past XI years. However, I don't believe that the "structure" is going to define a style of play and then the managers will have to come in and try implement that. Every manager has his own style and ideas. I don't know where the structure is going to find these bots to work on preset instructions. (I think we are saying the same thing).
Also, I do not believe that any structure can simply recruit players without the manager's input. A manager will have to get involved in order to identify the positions that need to strengthened and the type of player they want. The things I see changing is manager's being allowed to buy certain players from their agencies based on their familiarity. Hopefully, there will be a lot more due diligence and scrutiny.
We'll see how City does after Pep leaves. I am sure they are not going to fall of a cliff but I am confident that the dominance we have witnessed under Pep won't continue. Pep is a GOAT manager like SAF and they are not dime a dozen. Their clarity of thought and command is not easy to find.
So yeah, getting a structure will be beneficial and it's something we have to aim for. But the idea that a manager with a poor understanding of the league's requirements and demands, atrocious in-game management, inability to rotate properly, a terrible style of play and a dull personality can succeed just because of a "structure" is a fool's paradise.
Next season is likely a write off anyway, we simply have too much to do in one window. Best we can hope for is a bit of growth and development of our style of play while trying to compete again for top four. I don't see how that's any less likely under Ten Hag than some of the other names been thrown around.
Or maybe some fans see it differently and think he can still get more from this team? The narrative on here that every single fan who even contemplates giving Ten Hag another season is just giving managers unwavering support is false. I didn't ever think Mourinho was the right choice; he never did fit in with the club's identity. I supported Ole until it became clear we couldn't make the final steps under him. My support for Ten Hag is not unwavering, and I've flipped around a bit on it this season; however, despite it all, I still think he's a very good coach. I'm just not convinced that we make far more progressive strides under some of the names mentioned.
Perhaps it's some sort of self-flagellation that some fans feel they need to do.
I wouldn't, he's failed to show even a basic understanding of how to set up a football team this season but at least your view is coherent so fair enough. There are posters saying give him the first couple of months of next season and assess it then with the new structure, things aren't going to turn around that quickly.
Tuchel or McKenna
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Fcuk! This means Motta is off the table. They definitely have secured his service if they are firing Allegri.
The fecking comments section pretty much tells you everything when gooners and scousers are agreeing with it
This is what's really bugging me to be honest.
He's quite clearly not suitable for the job, and has cost the club an awful lot of money (what with wasted transfers, not progressing in the CL and not participating in Europe next season) but there are still people willing to write off next season to by giving him "the first 3 months".
Its ludicrous.
They are people who have no concept of the bigger picture.
Rival fans are desperate for us to either keep Ten Hag or even "better" get Southgate in.
That's just Glazer fed defeatist attitude because they relied on cronies who didn't know what they were doing in football in the first place. Competing for top 4, is that a trophy? In 2022 we were in a similarly dark place, signed a few players and we came third. This season we wasted a lot of money on players that didn't address the issues we had and we predictably fell behind.
Sign a couple of CBs, a DM and maybe another striker and we easily finish top 4. At our worst we beat a team thats seating in 4th home and away. We self sabotaged this season because an incompetent manager wasted resources on players we didn't need to invest in and thereby kept the same weaknesses we had then proceeded to persist with kamikaze tactics throughout the season. I will bet that if we sign the right players and replace the suicidal tactics with something more coherent we can easily earn 20 more points next season and make top 4 or just narrowly miss.
Mark isn't even a United fan, why do people listen to him?
Who is this guy? And why do people keep quoting him?
One of many fan channels on youtube. It was exposed early on he's not a United fan, yet he still has an audience.
Motor mouth who spouts shite just to get a few more clicks
Make no mistake, after those 3 months they will want more time for the new structure to bed in or something. That's what has already happened this season. So many of those who said "give him until december and then judge" still want him to stay.
I still like the idea of Thomas Frank and think he’d be a fantastic United manager.
How was it exposed? No one has ever been able to back it up, they just trott out this line. Because he's not from Manchester? Because he went to Forest games as a kid?
In what way was he "exposed", is there any evidence of him supporting another club? Or is it simply the fact he's from Nottingham that means it's impossible for him to be a United fan?
De Zerbi off to Bayern then, I reckon. Potter back to Brighton? Could be two more names off the list.
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De Zerbi to Bayern then?
De Zerbi to Bayern and Tuchel to Utd.
His name is @The Mitcher and he's a member on the caf
McKenna to Brighton then?
Eberl just stated on TV the new Bayern manager won't be an Italian 100%.
Pretty racist no ?
De Zerbi will likely get a good offer from an Italian club and go there. I doubt Bayern will be after him.
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