Ole hasn't struggled, he's had offers, he just doesn't want to manage in America, Norway, Turkey or Saudi. I'm sure Ten Hag will also be employed for a long time if he holds out for another PL club to come along and pick him up.
Who replaces Ten Hag?
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I don’t agree that we have had top coaches since 2013 - in large part due to the dysfunctional structure, resulting in misguided, reactionary appointments similar to the dreadful player recruitment. The collective trophy haul of our four full-time managers since leaving United is two conference cups, and I don’t expect Ten Hag to ever win a big league or the champions league.
I think that shows he has struggled. Ole can't, and wont get a gig at a proper, relevant club. Ten Hag probably will.
If Ajax are a relevant club then yes, but you could say the same about Molde I guess. Ole also got international offers I believe. He said he doesn't need the money and he wants to spend time with his kids, plus he's pretty much had his dream job, I doubt he's interested in proving himself as some sort of visionary or all time great in management.
It doesn't matter what happens after ManUtd job, point is, EtH is the worst manager we had, just clueless on and off the pitch.
No, you can't. Ajax are a team that regularly compete in the Champions League if not the Europa League. Molde is not. Moreover Ten Hag is/was under consideration on a permanent basis for Bayern. He will certainly be in a job for a relevant club.
Ole getting considered by fecking Canada in a national team job is not comparable
I think Ole himself knows he's a limited manager (credit to him) and wont get the consideration other managers would. He's good to bow out of it.
He would also be completely shielded from media.
I think we need first and foremost a good coach. Southgate doesn't seem to be one.
Southgate would not be finishing last in the group behind Copenhagen and Galatasaray. That’s like England failing to get out of a WC pool with Iran and Costa Rica. And I don’t want Southgate at United by the way.
No, you can't. Ajax are a team that regularly compete in the Champions League if not the Europa League. Molde is not. Moreover Ten Hag is/was under consideration on a permanent basis for Bayern. He will certainly be in a job for a relevant club.
Ole getting considered by fecking Canada in a national team job is not comparable
I think Ole himself knows he's a limited manager (credit to him) and wont get the consideration other managers would. He's good to bow out of it.
The fact that this genius of a coach can't do better than limited coach should be a reason to sack him.
From Chris Wheeler's article this morning.
Thomas Frank?!
Give Southgate the exact same season that Ten Hag has had, injuries and all, we do better, and I think Gareth is utter bobbins.
Mate...I'm slowly boarding the Potter train.
fecking Ten Hag...
fecking Ten Hag...
Yeah - it is. Not really related to the point I made.
Solskjaer got the best out of his attackers, yes. I'd expect more goals from Bruno, Rashford, Garnacho and Højlund under him. Even Martial.
Southgate wouldn't be managing the United squad in its current state anyway. In this hypothetical situation.
ten Hag may be a better coach than Ole, but he hasn't been much better at United. If at at all. The only thing he has over him is a League Cup trophy. He has a 3% better win ratio. However, he loses games more frequently than Ole did. He has a 27.3% losing rate compared to Ole's 23.8% rate.
The main point is that neither Ole or Southgate would relegate United. The worst possible United manager finishes 10th at worst, in my opinion.
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Nagelsmann already extended his contract with Germany... he won't be available
I've seen his name mentioned a few times but I can't imagine he's a serious contender.
Southgate is beyond shite, the fact he lucked his way into his last two jobs says it all. The guy was out of management for nearly four years before the FA threw him a career lifeline and gave him the U-21's job. He would easily be our most under qualified manager.
Nagelsmann already extended his contract with Germany... he won't be available
He could probably be bought out of his new 2 year contract if United pursued him. I think he'd opt to leave if the right opportunity came up.
Realistically, United should have contacted him before he committed to Germany. I don't think he'll be an option.
Obviously?
He actually limited himself to living in Bavaria because he wants to be a dad for his little children he has with his ex-wife. So they won't move with him if he goes abroad and he couldn't see them as regularly. This is why I highly doubt he would be open for that now.
Fecking seriously ? Euro 2020 was practically on a plate for him and he still messed it up.
Please not Southgate. He got Middlesbrough relegated and that's his only club managing gig. He has shown absolutely nothing as a club manager that would make me trust in him being able to do the massive and in depth changes this teams requires. Managing the national team is a completely different type of job.
Fecking seriously ? Euro 2020 was practically on a plate for him and he still messed it up.
You're missing my point impressively, but thats ok.
The only genuine benefit to Southgate is building a better attitude behind the scenes, there is no point even listing his faults because there are many.
He's achieved basically nothing in club football management, if he's even being considered as a serious candidate to be part of a re-build of United.....well, I want a sanity check on the new owners too then.
He's achieved basically nothing in club football management, if he's even being considered as a serious candidate to be part of a re-build of United.....well, I want a sanity check on the new owners too then.
According to the telegraph the top five contenders are:
- Motta will be my #1 choice.
- I don't know much about Amorim or his style of football. He is young and rated, so could be interesting.
- I can grudgingly get behind Tuchel if he is the only choice, just so that ETH leaves.
- The other two would be disasters, imo.
Serious lack of McKenna in the list. I would be happy with either Motta or him.
- Thomas Tuchel, Bayern Munich
- Gareth Southgate, England
- Ruben Amorim, Sporting Lisbon
- Thiago Motta, Bologna
- Roberto De Zerbi, Brighton
- Motta will be my #1 choice.
- I don't know much about Amorim or his style of football. He is young and rated, so could be interesting.
- I can grudgingly get behind Tuchel if he is the only choice, just so that ETH leaves.
- The other two would be disasters, imo.
Serious lack of McKenna in the list. I would be happy with either Motta or him.
Didn't Nagelsmann commit until 2026 WC to Germany? Amorim publicly announced he's staying and so did De Zerbi
Literally rather stick with Ten Hag than Southgate. We can do better than either of them though.
Ole and ten Hag are much better managers than what their United stints will have you believe. Both would've been able to achieve success if Ineos had been here earlier.
Agree on Moyes, LVG and Mourinho, though.
And rightly so. Needs another few years IMO. He's doing great so far no doubt about that but think the way things are with the club at the moment would be way too much for him to handle. Can see him as a United manager down the line things keep going as they are
Bit of an opposite situation to Tuchel, who is very keen to come back to England. Think his girlfriend is still here.
I reckon it's PR from ETH. Noone genuinely believes Southgate is suitable to manage United. But they know if they float the rumours out there it will generate a negative supporter reaction and deflect the negativity towards another debarcle overseen by ETH.
Particularly how it seems to come from pretty poor sources but gets flung into the mainstream by Goldbridge and co who is certainly a ETH apologist.
If Southgate is on the list (and Motta) then Mckenna should be too.
Not sure why people feel the need to prove who's less shit! Both fecked us over.
I don't agree. I wouldn't mind taking a punt on someone who is young, ambitious, has coached at the club before and has done an amazing job getting a team from league 1 to the premier league in record time. It would be ideal if can work with the new management structure to start the next rebuild. I think he is much better option on De Zerbi or Southgate.
The only worry I have with him is that he was not a top player like Alonso, Pep or Motta, so the players might not give him the same respect as they would give to those guys.
Ole was willing to try different formations to try and get the best of the players he had E.T.H sticks to the same plan since the beginning of the season and it still doesn't work.
As much as I want ETH out, I don't want Southgate under any condition. If there was a choice between ETH and Southgate for next season, I'd then choose Southgate because I think more of ETH and this season could be duplicated but without the lucky wins. But thankfully there are many more options that Southgate (who's stock will be rock bottom after England do poorly this Summer anyway).
Tuchel if he could come this week as I'm desperate but long term I'm not feeling the love. I'd rather the club be brave and get a manager to build and move focus away from impossible tasks (the league) and out of reach (top 4) and look to instal a sustainable way of playing whilst INEOS build a good structure. My choice would be Ireola. Look at the quality football Bournemouth play with the squad they have. I'd be delighted with DeZerbi too for the same reason. Both way better managers than ETH and with the right backing could be amazing moving the club forward.
Tuchel if he could come this week as I'm desperate but long term I'm not feeling the love. I'd rather the club be brave and get a manager to build and move focus away from impossible tasks (the league) and out of reach (top 4) and look to instal a sustainable way of playing whilst INEOS build a good structure. My choice would be Ireola. Look at the quality football Bournemouth play with the squad they have. I'd be delighted with DeZerbi too for the same reason. Both way better managers than ETH and with the right backing could be amazing moving the club forward.
All is forgiven, Erik. I love you.
Is there a reason why Inzaghi isn't being mentioned? Seems like he's going to be a very good manager. Young and already quite successful.
I think he's wanting to stay at Inter.
Neither was Jurgen klopp
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