Valencia Shin Crosses
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Wins matches, plays entertaining football, and manages big egos well. Treble doesn't hurt either.
Yep pretty good summation there. Not sure why someone wouldn't rate Enrique
Wins matches, plays entertaining football, and manages big egos well. Treble doesn't hurt either.
I guess, it's sort of 1 incredible year (the calendar year of 2015) at Barcelona in which they were truly brilliant and Messi played as well as he ever has but outside of that there's nothing that remarkable. He's definitely one of the better managers out there but I'm not sure he's as good a manager as Tuchel never mind being able to make us contenders next year.Wins matches, plays entertaining football, and manages big egos well. Treble doesn't hurt either.
I was a little underwhelmed by the Spain team he managed in the Euros and World Cup. I get that he hardly had a vintage Spain squad at his disposal, but I thought they could've done more.Yep pretty good summation there. Not sure why someone wouldn't rate Enrique
I was a little underwhelmed by the Spain team he managed in the Euros and World Cup. I get that he hardly had a vintage Spain squad at his disposal, but I thought they could've done more.
I guess, it's sort of 1 incredible year (the calendar year of 2015) at Barcelona in which they were truly brilliant and Messi played as well as he ever has but outside of that there's nothing that remarkable. He's definitely one of the better managers out there but I'm not sure he's as good a manager as Tuchel never mind being able to make us contenders next year.
I was a little underwhelmed by the Spain team he managed in the Euros and World Cup. I get that he hardly had a vintage Spain squad at his disposal, but I thought they could've done more.
I was a little underwhelmed by the Spain team he managed in the Euros and World Cup. I get that he hardly had a vintage Spain squad at his disposal, but I thought they could've done more.
I'm the one who posted the question about Enrique's reputation but in fairness they should have beaten Italy in the semis of the Euro's on the balance of play, they sort of scraped their way there but they played really well in that game and just weren't clinical enough (due to quality and inexperience). There wasn't much really anything different he could have done that night.The Spain team was a team of kids. The exact same for Germany for those two tournaments.
They are Spain and Germany by name but they didn't have the same squads that they used to. When England played Germany and beat them in the Euros obviously great for England but it wasn't a prime German side.
Spain were fragile in the World Cup they lacked experience really and that's not Enriques fault, he couldn't go back in time and get the parents of the players to meet a year or two earlier and make them two years older.
He’s nowhere near good enough and it’s not one that needs explanation. For the same reasons Roberto Martinez isn’t good enough
Care to share with us why you think that?
Man, the fecking Caf…
Literally debating whether Tuchel, Zidane and Luis Enrique are good enough managers for United, while at the same time pushing De Zerbi or Amorin or Motta…
Tuchel is one of the best knockout tournament managers in world football — he is a genius at organizing the defense and setting up in a way that makes his teams tough to beat. He plays several different styles. His Bayern team will score more in the league this year than last with probably 95ish goals. He’s in the CL semis. He won a CL with Chelsea, two league titles with PSG and a CL final, a league title with Bayern. How can we blame him for the Chelsea clusterfeck when Potter and Pochettino have fecked it up too?
Why on earth would we go for an untested / unproven at this level manager over someone who has won several major trophies?
He’s nowhere near good enough and it’s not one that needs explanation. For the same reasons Roberto Martinez isn’t good enough
Valverde has Athletic playing well, up to 5th in La Liga and won the cup.It's ridiculous isn't it. It's like they expect untainted perfection. All three are truly good and potentially great managers. Tuchel's football actually looks really good to me, and unlike Amorim in particular, he's done it in top leagues, the Premier League in particular. I actually loved the football his Chelsea team played, as it actually reminded me of a great 442. The 343 he employed made great use of the flanks and move the ball from flank to flank in a way similar to our 98-03 days. It's the reason I've always liked the 343, because it has the ability allow for great wing play the way a 442 used to, whilst also offering the extra protection in the 3rd centre back, making it effective in modern football. His 4231 can work in similar ways as well. With Tuchel, I'm secure in knowing how his football would look in England, as at Chelsea he's already shown the format in the modern game. I've also seen how he's managed to handle some of the bigger fixtures, leading Chelsea to Champions League success and going toe to toe with City, despite having a weaker team. He's not Mourinho in sabotaging relationships, as most of the fallouts he's had have been justifiable.
Luis Enrique is also a phenomenal manager who again has also proven himself at the top level. Another manager I'd throw in the race is Valverde. Actually won things with Barca with a good system, that simply wasn't appreciated at Barca, not because it wasn't effective or didn't look good, but it didn't follow the tika taka principles, which aren't employed at United. He has a good demeanor, has the tactical nous to almost engineer an unbeaten season and can and has dealt with difficult egos without bringing too much attention to himself. He managed Barca through crisis and despite injuries to players that were recruited, was able to maintain a steady and effective style of football. He's essentially the Anti-Ten Haag.
I don’t think De Zerbi is good enough for the jump to Manchester UnitedI don't follow.
I don’t think De Zerbi is good enough for the jump to Manchester United
Give him a job like Dortmund/Sevilla/AC Milan, if he takes them to the next level then it’s a conversation I’ll have. But I’m not convinced. And that time is definitely not now IMOHe hasn't had the opportunity, but it will come sooner or later. I think he's a great manager who can manage a big club as well.
Post of the day. A little perspective is all that’s needed.Man, the fecking Caf…
Literally debating whether Tuchel, Zidane and Luis Enrique are good enough managers for United, while at the same time pushing De Zerbi or Amorin or Motta…
Tuchel is one of the best knockout tournament managers in world football — he is a genius at organizing the defense and setting up in a way that makes his teams tough to beat. He plays several different styles. His Bayern team will score more in the league this year than last with probably 95ish goals. He’s in the CL semis. He won a CL with Chelsea, two league titles with PSG and a CL final, a league title with Bayern. How can we blame him for the Chelsea clusterfeck when Potter and Pochettino have fecked it up too?
Why on earth would we go for an untested / unproven at this level manager over someone who has won several major trophies?
Give him a job like Dortmund/Sevilla/AC Milan, if he takes them to the next level then it’s a conversation I’ll have. But I’m not convinced. And that time is definitely not now IMO
That’s all well and good but isn’t Tuchel A) quite a control freak - constantly falling out with upper managment? I don’t think he’ll accept being a mere coach. B) I worry about him as an attacking coach. All his teams are quite dire to watch and we are quite poor in attack as it is.
Good post. I agree wholeheartedlyMan, the fecking Caf…
Literally debating whether Tuchel, Zidane and Luis Enrique are good enough managers for United, while at the same time pushing De Zerbi or Amorin or Motta…
Tuchel is one of the best knockout tournament managers in world football — he is a genius at organizing the defense and setting up in a way that makes his teams tough to beat. He plays several different styles. His Bayern team will score more in the league this year than last with probably 95ish goals. He’s in the CL semis. He won a CL with Chelsea, two league titles with PSG and a CL final, a league title with Bayern. How can we blame him for the Chelsea clusterfeck when Potter and Pochettino have fecked it up too?
Why on earth would we go for an untested / unproven at this level manager over someone who has won several major trophies?
I'd much rather have Tuchel than keep Ten Hag
Potter will get the job..hopefully.Tuchel is currently the bookies' third favorite to become our new manager. So the odds should be increasing.
Southgate and Potter still lead the race...
You mean the Spain side that was within penalties of the final at the Euro's and outplayed the eventual champions?I was a little underwhelmed by the Spain team he managed in the Euros and World Cup. I get that he hardly had a vintage Spain squad at his disposal, but I thought they could've done more.
Who’s “Enrique?”Tuchel or Enrique would both be great appointments. I wouldn't expect either to be here more than 2 or 3 years, but that's fine by me. Turn us into a side that can play a cohesive style of football, while the new recruitment team settle in and shape a decent squad. Then if we need to move on to take the next step so be it.
I don't see any manager coming in and having this team challenging within 2 years given all the upheaval going on behind the scenes, and with the massive changes needed to the squad.
This, people should, for a moment, forget about competing with City/Arsenal/Liverpool cause we aren't there and we need to work towards that. Financial won't allow us to sign 6 - 8 players so there won't be a major clear out that can dramatically change the make up of the squad in one go. This means you need an experienced pragmatist not married to a particular system who can better utilize the undesirable holdouts that will survive the upcoming cull and still qualify for the CL. Tuchel can do that and win the EL/ECL.Considering that you won't even play in the CL next season of course you aren't winning it. But with Tuchel you should have a shot of winning the EL/ECL. His league pedigree is probably better as you say, and after all he is a pragmatic manager who always finds solutions for his squad. As I think we all agree the current United squad is a Frankenstein disaster and probably won't be fixed in a single transfer window it would absolutely make sense to appoint a manager who will use the players available and integrate them into a stable setup while the new board keeps fixing the squad. Will he be the right one to do that final step? Maybe not. But he surely is an excellent choice for the upcoming consolidation period.
He will be your hero babyWho’s “Enrique?”
From the latest reports Wilcox will be the one to decide what style of play we will be looking to implement.From the latest reports a posession based attacking side.
What sort of squad does he have to work with? There's still a good manager there.He's a car crash at Brighton.
I think it's important to note that players like De Bruyne, Rodri etc could play in a counter attacking team as well as they play in a possession team. The trick is in ensuring that every player we sign has mastered the basic technique in terms of ball control, first touch and short passing for example Ryan Giggs wasnt just a dribbling wizard or great weapon on the break he also did the basics at a high level.From the latest reports Wilcox will be the one to decide what style of play we will be looking to implement.
Personally, I think we need to chill out with the "possession based attacking" mantra like it's a specific tactical setup. All top teams who have a strong tactical base play attacking football. Good technicians on the ball means you keep possession more and that translates to better attacking. The first step should be getting a manager who can make this team play better than the sum of it's parts. Then, use 3 or 4 windows to gradually improve the team and rebuild the squad.
Tuchel is currently the bookies' third favorite to become our new manager. So the odds should be increasing.
Southgate and Potter still lead the race...
The side that couldn't beat Croatia or Switzerland in 90 minutes, and then were even more underwhelming in the World Cup where they got knocked out by Morocco.You mean the Spain side that was within penalties of the final at the Euro's and outplayed the eventual champions?