But by saying it like this you're kinda overrating it. Pelé's 1958 final performance was probably better, despite him scoring only two goals (neither of which were penalties).It's insane to me how people try to downplay that though. You know how many times someone had a hat trick in a world cup final before Mbappé? Once. Pelé played in 2 WC finals and he couldn't do it. Garrincha, Gerd Muller, Ronaldo, all played in multiple WC finals, none of them could pull off a hat trick
It was a legendary feat, stop trying to downplay it
He was electric from 75 minutes to 120 minutes, so that was more than a half of football in which he excelled. He was also good in the 2018 World Cup final, scored the first goal a teenager has scored in it.
Yeah, sorry the commentator said that in the highlights there I was rewatching today, confused me. Pele did indeed score.Pelé?
You have to go back to the 1986 World Cup for a player to have as many goals and assists as him. And it's 2 very good World Cups, it's mainly just been used because every time you mention Ligue 1, people just completely discard it, even if he did some great things there. So you have to go back to the World Cup, the biggest competition in the world.
Only 5 players have scored more Champions League knockout stage goals than him and he has scored away at Camp Nou (hat-trick there), Bernabeu, Old Trafford, Anfield, Etihad, Allianz Arena, Juventus Stadium, Signal Iduna Park too.
I don't disagree. I just find it insane how people are trying to downplay what Mbappé did thoughBut by saying it like this you're kinda overrating it. Pelé's 1958 final performance was probably better, despite him scoring only two goals (neither of which were penalties).
It was certainly a great (legendary seems like a fitting word) performance but it sounds more impressive than it actually was (I wouldn't consider it to be the standout WC-final performance, for example, I've seen quite a few better ones).
You underestimate how many Arsenal fans will survive the inevitable nuclear winter and how few of your cossetted lot could live on crumbs.I don't disagree. I just find it insane how people are trying to downplay what Mbappé did though
To stick to this thread: 100 years from now nobody will remember Henry. Chances are nobody will remember Mbappé as a player either. But everyone will remember Mbappé for scoring a hat trick in a world cup final. Same as everyone heard of and remembers Geoff Hurst
100 years from now I hope humanity doesnt remember any footballers and/ or managers. At the end of the day they are entertainers and they are already overpaid. Hope that some scientists/ inventors will be remembered.I don't disagree. I just find it insane how people are trying to downplay what Mbappé did though
To stick to this thread: 100 years from now nobody will remember Henry. Chances are nobody will remember Mbappé as a player either. But everyone will remember Mbappé for scoring a hat trick in a world cup final. Same as everyone heard of and remembers Geoff Hurst
I remember watching it live and he just went up a level at the end. It was a bit surreal to watch.He was electric from 75 minutes to 120 minutes, so that was more than a half of football in which he excelled.
I'd pick Pele's performance over Mbappe's too(and I would pick Messi's as well in the same game arguably), but I still found it mightily impressive that he scored 2 penalties in a WC final(imagine the pressure) and then slotted another 1 during the shootout.But by saying it like this you're kinda overrating it. Pelé's 1958 final performance was probably better, despite him scoring only two goals (neither of which were penalties).
It was certainly a great (legendary seems like a fitting word) performance but it sounds more impressive than it actually was (I wouldn't consider it to be the standout WC-final performance, for example, I've seen quite a few better ones).
What a ridiculous post. There is barely a person walking the planet who didn't watch the World Cup final. No one was 'reading scores'. And the fact that France were playing terribly and Argentina were running circles around them makes what Mbappe did all the more remarkable, he single-handedly brought them back from the brink in the biggest game in football by a country mile. Henry has never done anything like that in a game of that magnitude. Comparing a performance in some random CL game is just ridiculous. I mean, if it was at least a CL final then it might ne somewhat comaparable, but of course it wasn't.This is the issue when people read games rather than watch them. You look at the numbers post games and all you see is Mbappe scored a hat trick when in reality is that aside from his great volley goal, Mbappe and France were terrible. Argentina run circles around them for 75 minutes than their old asses got tired and let up. Claiming that performance was that good is absurd. It was an okay performance, and only okay because Mbappe ended up with 3 goals(2 penalties) otherwise his performance along with the team overall was mediocre.
Both Henry and Mbappe were/are world class players. If you are trying to argue that Mbappe is not, then your opinion is simply wrong, it's nothing to do with 'higher bars'. How can a guy who is routinely called 'the best player in the world', (not so much recently, of course, but I heard Gareth Bale describe him as that on Wednesday) not be world class? How is that logical?I think you will note that goal scorers and top players will score goals. You might be surprised about it but that is what happens, when you are a top player you will score goals.
Ligue 1 yes, that says it all. How many Ligue 1 clubs have reached a CL final in the last 20 years? That will tell you the level of football in that league.
Real Madrid also chased Hazard and paid more money for him, a player who was actually world class. Look how that turned out.
World class in your opinion is scoring loads of goals and stat paddling but in my opinion WC players impact big games, important Knock out games.
We can differ in our opinion, I just have a higher bar for World Class players.
Single-handedly brought them back from the brink with two penalties. Ah, what an absolute monster of a player. Wonder why he didn't do anything of note the first 80 minutes.What a ridiculous post. There is barely a person walking the planet who didn't watch the World Cup final. No one was 'reading scores'. And the fact that France were playing terribly and Argentina were running circles around them makes what Mbappe did all the more remarkable, he single-handedly brought them back from the brink in the biggest game in football by a country mile. Henry has never done anything like that in a game of that magnitude. Comparing a performance in some random CL game is just ridiculous. I mean, if it was at least a CL final then it might ne somewhat comaparable, but of course it wasn't.
Not to mention that Mbappe HAS BALLED OUT IN TWO WORLD CUP FINALS, something that people always seem to ignore when falling all over themselves to try and explain why the second hattrick in the history of the biggest game in football is in fact 'not that big a deal.'
Yawn. Same old nonsense.Single-handedly brought them back from the brink with two penalties. Ah, what an absolute monster of a player. Wonder why he didn't do anything of note the first 80 minutes.
Perfectly put.Nostalgia bias is far more of a factor than recency imo. People grow up with certain players and the mythology of the past is a hard thing to overcome when assessing players in the present.
What is nonsense about it? Did he score two penalties or did he not? You're making a huge deal out of him scoring two penalties as if he dribbled through 5 defenders to score. It has been overrated for some time now, now it is just ridiculous.Yawn. Same old nonsense.
