Prefer Tielemans over Neves.
Who I would like us to go for when we offload Pogba?
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Grealish for sure. We were always too busy worrying about getting the best out of Pogba, let's just sign the absolute best and deal with it.
A like-for-like is not required. Pogba's role has anyway been quite undefined in this team. We have often wondered what he does except for the flashes of brilliance. He can't control a game, doesn't consistently make key passes, doesn't score a lot, doesn't assist a lot, is often a liability defensively trying to hold onto the ball in his own third etc etc.
What does the team need? A younger Cavani and a younger Matic. Possibly a world class center-back. That's where the funds should go.
Forget the big names. Fill in the holes with shrewd signings.
What does the team need? A younger Cavani and a younger Matic. Possibly a world class center-back. That's where the funds should go.
Forget the big names. Fill in the holes with shrewd signings.
Can't keep up with all those threads! How many clubs we're selling him to?! Woodward masterclass.Now you’re bored too
Said it much better than I did!
Even if Pogba were to leave in January I dont think United will go out and bring someone in. They'll bide their time. Seeing what personality they want in the squad.
We've tended to be shrewd recently and I cant see that changing.
We've tended to be shrewd recently and I cant see that changing.
Laimer? Always rarely gets a mention
United wont go for a flashy/fancy signing I'm confident in that.
Go and actually watch him or listen to the opinions of his own fans that watch him week in week out. He doesn`t even play as a DM for Wolves anymore because he`s average in that role in this Utd team he`d only be suited to the no8 role where he has little defensive responsibility he`s not a good screener of a defence like people make him out to be
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I can’t say it much better than that. And I do watch Neves and wolves a fair bit, albeit not every game.
And I take the point about defensive contribution, but that’s not really the point I’m making. I think the real defensive DM is a different problem to solve. This is the DLP role that links up with Fernandes and takes the sole creative playmaking duties from him
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I can’t say it much better than that. And I do watch Neves and wolves a fair bit, albeit not every game.
And I take the point about defensive contribution, but that’s not really the point I’m making. I think the real defensive DM is a different problem to solve. This is the DLP role that links up with Fernandes and takes the sole creative playmaking duties from him
In a post Pogba world our midfield is going to be...
Bruno
??? DVB
We need someone who'll complement Donny. Ideally I think we need a CDM who can cover ground quickly, passes forwards, decent range of passing (particularly long passes as we like to play on the break) and doesn't linger on the ball.
What do people think of Saul?
Bruno
??? DVB
We need someone who'll complement Donny. Ideally I think we need a CDM who can cover ground quickly, passes forwards, decent range of passing (particularly long passes as we like to play on the break) and doesn't linger on the ball.
What do people think of Saul?
United's biggest problem is to break teams that play deep and in numbers. Specialised players such as Pogba (ie he's a good passer of the ball but is a defensive liability), Matic (an anchor man in front of defence) and Fred/McT (provide nothing but workrate) are unsuited for us. That's because McT/Fred/Matic don't create enough assists while Pogba tend to take too long to release the ball and is useless when United are caught in a quick counter.
In my opinion we need 2 quality and hardworking b2b players to form the base of our 4-2-3-1 system. These players need to be able to drop deep and win the ball but they also need to be able to release it quickly and provide quality distribution of it once the ball is in our possession. We should have a look at the likes of Zakaria, Rice, James Ward Prowse, Locatelli etc.
In my opinion we need 2 quality and hardworking b2b players to form the base of our 4-2-3-1 system. These players need to be able to drop deep and win the ball but they also need to be able to release it quickly and provide quality distribution of it once the ball is in our possession. We should have a look at the likes of Zakaria, Rice, James Ward Prowse, Locatelli etc.
Both Liverpool and Madrid have out out DMs screening the defence though(Fabinho and Casemiro) not athletic box to box CMs and Neves lacks the awareness and fundamentals to play a holding midfield role effectively he doesn`t play there for Wolves anymore as a result. If we got him we`d need to bring another DM to cover up his flaws as we`d still lack an effective screener in front of our defence the instances you`ve mentioned he`d be effective next to Fred/McTominay would probably work against deep blocks but in big games we`d still be left wanting. An actual out out DM(thats good on the ball of course) playing with Bruno/VDB would give us the adaptability we need to be able to open up deep blocks as well as still be able to maintain stability in big games. Simply not convinced Neves is the answer to our solutions it would be another Pogba situation needing another midfielder next to him to "unlock" him
You practically summed up Tielemans.
Declan Rice, young English and seems to be a leader. It would also allow us to play Both VDB and Bruno at the same time. He would also allow Fred and McT to press a bit higher up the pitch against big teams. Issue is, West Ham would want at least 70m IMO.
Because the idea of Pogba leaving is so sudden that we can't possibly have thought about a replacement? Unless VDB was the replacement then we'll definitely have people in mind. Whether they're available in January is a different matters.
From what i've seen i like the look of Locatelli and could see him fitting into our current midfield. There's obviously better options but how likely are we to get them.
Camavinga
Szoboszlai for £25 Million.
He'd be itching for a move to Madrid in a year.
Swap for Bentancur anyone?
He'd probably be Pogba all over again, as good as he is.
I'd just use the 70m and double it to get Haaland. Feck the midfield lads.
We should be looking to balance the midfield, not look for a like for like replacement. Someone like Fabian Ruiz maybe?
You practically summed up Tielemans.
Is he a CDM though? Does he tackle, intercept, screen the defence etc?
Kalvin Phillips
This one is a simple equation. Pogba Out = Grealish In
To a certain degree, certainly more so than Saul. Koke has tended to do that role at A.Madrid in the past few campaigns.
Personally, I think Teilemans is a classy player who can do a number of requirements for any team and would fit into our set-up perfectly.
No need for a direct replacement. Get a dm who can compliment Bruno and VDB.
An out-and-out effective DM for us would likely be that other Leicester player.
Maddison is a poor man's Pogba. No thanks.
I think Neves, VDB, Bruno is a lovely midfield. Add in a genuine quality RW and we are most of the way there
I think he was talking about Wes Morgan. But he's way too old, imo.
This! We do this and continue with a 4231 then we'll only end up being disappointed with his replacement. We need someone who is solid defensively but can progress the ball from deep.
JG for me
City seem to be targeting Zakaria also as Rodri doesn't seem to be the perfect match for their two attacking CMs. Would he be for us? Seen people suggest we need a DLP and Rodri is one
Bruno and VDB's presence in the squad makes a like for like replacement for Pogba irrelevant imo. We need a younger version of Matic preferably someone who is quicker, if we get him then just rotate the No.8 role between VDB and Fred with Scot as cover for the DM.
It would be great if we could pick up Szobozlai as Bruno's cover and just use him as a wide playmaker when Bruno is fit.
I don't know whether we would be able to get something along the lines of £50m -£60m for him with that fat feck doing his best to talk his price down but I think we will if we stick to our guns a la Lukaku. Freeze Pogba out of the team, tell his slimy agent that he will sit out the next 18 months on the bench if someone doesn't pitch up with a £60m bid and no derisory swap offers would be entertained. Use the money to get Ndidi or Rice and move on from this sad episode.
It would be great if we could pick up Szobozlai as Bruno's cover and just use him as a wide playmaker when Bruno is fit.
I don't know whether we would be able to get something along the lines of £50m -£60m for him with that fat feck doing his best to talk his price down but I think we will if we stick to our guns a la Lukaku. Freeze Pogba out of the team, tell his slimy agent that he will sit out the next 18 months on the bench if someone doesn't pitch up with a £60m bid and no derisory swap offers would be entertained. Use the money to get Ndidi or Rice and move on from this sad episode.
Could not agree more with this post.
How can you replace someone like Pogba, who cant even get in the team ahead of Fred and Mctominey. Who has so many flaws despite being so hyped up. Who we have tried to fit into the team to drive us forward for 4 seasons and failed at every position we've given him?
We need a quality centre forward, a quality CB and a Matic replacement.
Take Ozil on a free from Arsenal. He will have a massive point to prove and be right up for it.
An even bigger issue is: Rice isnt very good
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