Who do you think will win the World Cup and why?

[Ish]

Spain/Brazil
Germany
France (I really rate their squad but possibly too inexperienced and I also don’t rate their coach)

As sort of favorites for me. Tough to decide between Spain and Brazil.

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Argentina

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Belgium

The rest....Croatia/Por/Eng etc.

 

[SCP]

Alves has looked extremely wonky this season for PSG; I reckon he's done for. Brazil just doesn't have a replacement at all.

Fagner from Corinthians I guess? Anyway if Neymar recovers well only Spain or Germany can stop them imo, don't see Argentina, France or England able to stop them imo.

 

[FujiVice]

Lingard to score the winner in the final seems inevitable.

 

[Swift Football]

With the level of talent on Belgium's team they should be at least getting to the semis.

They will most likely play against Brazil in the quarters, which I doubt they will win. Good thing with Belgium is they have a set team, and almost same lineup has played together fo few years now, which helps.

 

[Sanche7]

What a trainwreck of a post. Müller not in top form? Have you watched football, like, at all the past 6 month? He's probably Bayerns best player at the moment.

Then you talk about how there are questionmark over our wingers, yet you mentioned the failure that is Douglas Costa, the average Willian, the just-having-his-breakout-season Coman, Dembele with his nightmare season, Martial with pretty much a similarly bad season and Fekir who has done feck all one the international stage as somehow superior star players.

Hey you don't have to go all ballistic on everyone who criticizes Germany.
And no I don't watch one horse race leagues and to my knowledge Muller is having a bad season,especially by his high standards.
And I just checked his stats, he has 6 goals in bundesliga this year. I don't know if he has gained some form now, but I remember reading a lot about him being out of form.

While I agree that many of French attackers are young, so are the germany ones.
Sane doesn't seem to fit quite well into the setup
Draxler is meh
Reus could get injured any time
Werner could have a great tournament but it can very easily go the other way.
In terms of raw fire power I feel IMHO that Germany fall behind the other favourites.

But France has a much bigger talent pool which gives them many options.
And if you had read my post, I also said that I expect Germany to win because they as a unit are more than the sum of their parts.

 

[Blackwidow]

Hey you don't have to go all ballistic on everyone who criticizes Germany.
And no I don't watch one horse race leagues and to my knowledge Muller is having a bad season,especially by his high standards.
And I just checked his stats, he has 6 goals in bundesliga this year. I don't know if he has gained some form now, but I remember reading a lot about him being out of form.

While I agree that many of French attackers are young, so are the germany ones.
Sane doesn't seem to fit quite well into the setup
Draxler is meh
Reus could get injured any time
Werner could have a great tournament but it can very easily go the other way.
In terms of raw fire power I feel IMHO that Germany fall behind the other favourites.

But France has a much bigger talent pool which gives them many options.
And if you had read my post, I also said that I expect Germany to win because they as a unit are more than the sum of their parts.

Since Heynckes returned Müller played 1533 minutes - and had 9 goals and 10 assists - most of them decisive ones for leads. He still is under the radar because he missed 6 weeks because of an injury and there were the last two months of Ancelotti. But it is not just the goals or assists - it usually is the ones for the lead and apart from them he has actions like causing own goals or preassists after getting substituted in for leads that somehow add to that, too.

And he functioned for Germany - had 5 goals and 7 assists in 8 World Cup qualifiers even if he did not function under Ancelotti.

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But I do not think that in this World Cup the quality of the teams is so important. There is not that much difference. It is more the question of having functioning teams on and off! the pitch and player personalities that are able to lead and show their best form then. And yes, you are right, there is question marks that the others show up from the German team - but the same is a questionmark in the other teams.

 

[PoTMS]

I'm not gonna go as far as say England will win it but I reckon England will shock people and eek out goalless draws against the big teams with penalty shootouts deciding things - complete luck of the draw although it'd be typical England to lose on penalties. That or get embarrassed by a minnow.

 

[Bearded One]

Brazil, Spain or Germany. France and Belgium aren't matured enough (not age-wise, if you understand what I mean). I'd be rooting for Nigeria and England though.

Brazil

Allison/Ederson
Alves Silva Miranda Marcelo
Casmiero
Paulinho Fernandinho
Coutinho Jesus/Firmino Neymar
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Spain

World's best
Carvajal Pique/Azpilicueta Ramos Alba
Koke
Alcantara Iniesta
Silva Costa Isco

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Germany

Neuer/Ter Stegen
Kimmich Hummels Boateng Hector
Kroos Khedira
Muller Ozil Draxler
Werner
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My Combined XI

De Gea
Carvajal Miranda Ramos Marcelo
Casmiero
Alcantara Kroos
Muller Costa Neymar
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When you consider that 5 ofor these players play for RM you can only wonder.

Brazil 4
Spain 5
Germany 2

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[cyberman]

France.
They have more options of a player becoming hot during the tournament to get them through than any other side.
England needs Kane, Brazil needs Neymar etc but if Mbappe / Griezmann / Pogba or a Martial off the bench ala August to November catches fire then they'll be hard to stop.

 

[OutlawGER]

What I meant by superstars is match winners, people who can single handedly win games, specifically forwards.
Muller is not in top form, can't really depend on Reus, Sane could potentially be good, same with Draxler and Werner.At the same time those youngsters could have a bad outing.
Comparing that to other favorites, Brazil have Neymar, Jesus, Willian, Costa; Argentina have Messi, Aguero Higuain, Icardi,Di Maria, Dybala ; France have Griezmann, Mbappe, Dembele, Martial, Coman, Fekir and many others.

But the thing with Germany is that they don't need star attackers, they do not depend on individuals like Argentina or France do.
As I mentioned in that post, Argentina and France are just a collection of very good footballers, but Germany and Brazil are more than that, they feel more like a team when I watch them.

Well yeah this game is not only about having the best attackers. We have superstars in defense and in midfield. They may have better attackers than us, but we have most likely better defenders than them. So this equals it kinda out.

We practically became world champion without any regular forwards at all.

 

[Class of 63]

Belgium - Over-endowed with supremely talented players, most of them playing for top clubs, and at the right age, if they get off to a good start....

 

[Hansa]

Germany.

A mix of skills and professionalism. Maybe not the best 11 players, but you always get the sense they're far more intelligent than any other team out there. Brilliant to watch at times. Quite a change from 30 years ago, when they were a boring, workmanlike machine, with feckin Dieter Hoeneß as their super-sub. Might fall victim to some idiosyncratic team, but overall they're going to be difficult to overcome.

 

[Pink Moon]

Spain

World's best
Carvajal Pique/Azpilicueta Ramos Alba
Koke
Alcantara Iniesta
Silva Costa Isco
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Neuer plays for Spain?

And Busquets has to be in there surely?

 

[haram]

Germany, Spain or Brazil. Quality players, Germany and Spain in particular just good teams filled with leaders.

 

[Raees]

Soo...In short, you have no clue who will win?

Not really but if you read closely.. Spain are my favourites as I think they'll reach the final for sure. Since that post changed my mind a little on Brazil who looked very strong against Germany in the recent friendly.. they also looked nailed on semi finalists at minimum.

 

[VorZakone]

Belgium ain't gonna do shit. I think France will win.

 

[fcbforever]

Hey you don't have to go all ballistic on everyone who criticizes Germany.
And no I don't watch one horse race leagues and to my knowledge Muller is having a bad season,especially by his high standards.
And I just checked his stats, he has 6 goals in bundesliga this year. I don't know if he has gained some form now, but I remember reading a lot about him being out of form.

While I agree that many of French attackers are young, so are the germany ones.
Sane doesn't seem to fit quite well into the setup
Draxler is meh
Reus could get injured any time
Werner could have a great tournament but it can very easily go the other way.
In terms of raw fire power I feel IMHO that Germany fall behind the other favourites.

But France has a much bigger talent pool which gives them many options.
And if you had read my post, I also said that I expect Germany to win because they as a unit are more than the sum of their parts.

I'm going ballistic at people talking bullshit, and you do. You even admit it right here. You have no idea about Müller, haven't watched him play, and bothered with one google search to see his overall season stats, but also just the goals? Cool story bro. Your assessment of his form surely should be respected. You also suddenly admit how your initial post has been misleading at best: yes, there's question marks over all the front lines at a WC, but you made it out to be as if it was only Germany initially. Post properly and don't post stuff that screams "new member" all over it. I knew you was before I read your name.

 

[Sanche7]

I'm going ballistic at people talking bullshit, and you do. You even admit it right here. You have no idea about Müller, haven't watched him play, and bothered with one google search to see his overall season stats, but also just the goals? Cool story bro. Your assessment of his form surely should be respected. You also suddenly admit how your initial post has been misleading at best: yes, there's question marks over all the front lines at a WC, but you made it out to be as if it was only Germany initially. Post properly and don't post stuff that screams "new member" all over it. I knew you was before I read your name.

I don't mean to derail the thread, but whats up with this newbie hate?
Do you think newbies are kids who haven't watched football or are new to the whole 'internet' thing?
Its my opinion that Germany has a front line which is both inexperienced and lacking in depth.
It won't change even if I had 10,000 more posts
Anyone who has a different opinion to yours is not a bullshitter
Spain and Argentina have more experience than German front line
France have the most depth in the attack and all they need is one of them to really step up.
All I sad was Germany's strength doesn't lie in their front line and I'm extremely sorry if I didn't make it crystal clear.

 

[Acrobat7]

Its my opinion that Germany has a front line which is both inexperienced and lacking in depth

Müller, Özil, Reus, Draxler, Schürrle are inexperienced?
I might give you „lack depth“ (keyword bein „might“), but 3 out of 4 starters will be very experienced. Maybe Löw doesn‘t even start Werner.

 

[Sanche7]

Müller, Özil, Reus, Draxler, Schürrle are inexperienced?
I might give you „lack depth“ (keyword bein „might“), but 3 out of 4 starters will be very experienced. Maybe Löw doesn‘t even start Werner.

Well I expect Sane to start over Schurrle as the former is not in the greatest if form.
Also I wouldn't call Draxler experienced, he barely featured in the last world cup.
I expect Low to start Werner as he has been really impressive for both club and country thus season.
And Reus is not really dependable, is very injury prone

And I'm not talking just about the starters.
Ozil, Muller and Reus are the only experienced players on the attack.
All others are young or youngish - Sane, Werner, Draxler, Brandt

 

[fcbforever]

I don't mean to derail the thread, but whats up with this newbie hate?
Do you think newbies are kids who haven't watched football or are new to the whole 'internet' thing?
Its my opinion that Germany has a front line which is both inexperienced and lacking in depth.
It won't change even if I had 10,000 more posts
Anyone who has a different opinion to yours is not a bullshitter
Spain and Argentina have more experience than German front line
France have the most depth in the attack and all they need is one of them to really step up.
All I sad was Germany's strength doesn't lie in their front line and I'm extremely sorry if I didn't make it crystal clear.

That's absolutely not what you said. You said that the offensive line is weak compared to other countries, cited specific players and compared them to players which have huge question marks over themselves as well. I have specifically quoted those examples (to which you gladly haven't come back). Your own reactions shows how much bullshit was in your initial post. And yes, that will trigger the newbie reaction. Because apparently you don't really follow football. Your Müller thing is just laughable. You say he's out of form, get called out on it because it's not true, than you admit you don't know shit about him, haven't seen him play in ages, were too lazy to look up even the most basic statistics and basically say "well feck you, but I have read he's in bad form somewhere a few months ago". What kind of reaction do you expect to get for stuff like that?

 

[fcbforever]

Well I expect Sane to start over Schurrle as the former is not in the greatest if form.
Also I wouldn't call Draxler experienced, he barely featured in the last world cup.
I expect Low to start Werner as he has been really impressive for both club and country thus season.
And Reus is not really dependable, is very injury prone

I did not know only world cups count as experience. So almost 50 caps, 200 league games and 60 CL matches at the age of 24 count for nothing?

 

[Sanche7]

That's absolutely not what you said. You said that the offensive line is weak compared to other countries, cited specific players and compared them to players which have huge question marks over themselves as well. I have specifically quoted those examples (to which you gladly haven't come back). Your own reactions shows how much bullshit was in your initial post. And yes, that will trigger the newbie reaction. Because apparently you don't really follow football. Your Müller thing is just laughable. You say he's out of form, get called out on it because it's not true, than you admit you don't know shit about him, haven't seen him play in ages, were too lazy to look up even the most basic statistics and basically say "well feck you, but I have read he's in bad form somewhere a few months ago". What kind of reaction do you expect to get for stuff like that?

So much for criticize the post and not the poster.
I don't wish to carry on this discussion any further and I don't see why one sentence I said has caused all this chaos
I apologize to everyone for my ignorance and for derailing the thread.
Please carry on with the discussion.
And @fcbforever, mate I never even remotely meant feck you, I have tried to be as polite as possible in getting my opinions through. If that's what you felt while reading my post,I'm sorry.
And please stop picking on newbies

 

[fcbforever]

So much for criticize the post and not the poster.
I don't wish to carry on this discussion any further and I don't see why one sentence I said has caused all this chaos
I apologize to everyone for my ignorance and for derailing the thread.
Please carry on with the discussion.
And @fcbforever, mate I never even remotely meant feck you, I have tried to be as polite as possible in getting my opinions through. If that's what you felt while reading my post,I'm sorry.
And please stop picking on newbies

All I‘ve done is criticizing your posts in the parts you bolded yourself. And polite would have been to admit you have absolutely no idea about Müller and ask in what way he has improved compared to last season. Instead you came up with some passive-aggressive shit about not following one horse leagues and that you„‘ve read a lot about him being in bad form“. When you then can’t even be bothered to look at opta or even transfermarkt to look up more detailed stats than „6 goals in the Bundesliga“ what assessment am I bound to come to other then that you don’t really follow football?

 

[Aurell]

I did not know only world cups count as experience. So almost 50 caps, 200 league games and 60 CL matches at the age of 24 count for nothing?

I know we don't have the right to criticize Germany but seriously, of course Draxler is inexperienced.

He have 42 caps - 6 goals and 4 assists, truth. Will be interesting to see how many games did he started...
However, he barely played the CDM14 (1 game), euro (5 games- 4 matchs started) and only one good game against Slovakia...
During the qualifying round he played:
- Cdm14: 3 games
- Euro : 0
- cdm16: 3 games.

All of his alledged experience is based on a Confederations cup with the Germany B team and friendlies games.

When we talk about clubs, he played the final stage of The CL 4 times and only 2 times a 1/4 final in 8 years of career at Schalke, Vfl and PSG.

He proved nothing at the high level. And seems he is now benched at PSG and the 5/6th choice behind Pastore and Di Maria - I think he only started 3 CL games against Bayern, Celtic and Anderlecht - he is also out of form. And the domination of PSG on the league is not helping him to improve.

Also, i watched his "stats" and his 60CL games are more 44 CL games and 13 EL games.

The only errors that Sanche7 did say is when he argues that french players are better, when he criticizes Muller and perhaps when he criticizes the BL but it's funny to see you criticize statistic people and based your argumentation on number of games

And I actually thought about you when I saw that Reus won't play today. I thought he was just left at home as precaution

Müller, Özil, Reus, Draxler, Schürrle are inexperienced?
I might give you „lack depth“ (keyword bein „might“), but 3 out of 4 starters will be very experienced. Maybe Löw doesn‘t even start Werner.

Schurrle won't normally go to Russia.
Werner is inexperienced.
Reus experience is questionable.
So it's more 2 of 4 (Ozil, Muller)

 

[fcbforever]

I know we don't have the right to criticize Germany but seriously, of course Draxler is inexperienced.

He have 42 caps - 6 goals and 4 assists, truth. Will be interesting to see how many games did he started...
However, he barely played the CDM14 (1 game), euro (5 games- 4 matchs started) and only one good game against Slovakia...
During the qualifying round he played:
- Cdm14: 3 games
- Euro : 0
- cdm16: 3 games.

All of his alledged experience is based on a Confederations cup with the Germany B team and friendlies games.

When we talk about clubs, he played the final stage of The CL 4 times and only 2 times a 1/4 final in 8 years of career at Schalke, Vfl and PSG.

He proved nothing at the high level. And seems he is now benched at PSG and the 5/6th choice behind Pastore and Di Maria - I think he only started 3 CL games against Bayern, Celtic and Anderlecht - he is also out of form. And the domination of PSG on the league is not helping him to improve.

Also, i watched his "stats" and his 60CL games are more 44 CL games and 13 EL games.

The only errors that Sanche7 did say is when he argues that french players are better, when he criticizes Muller and perhaps when he criticizes the BL but it's funny to see you criticize statistic people and based your argumentation on number of games

And I actually thought about you when I saw that Reus won't play today. I thought he was just left at home as precaution



Schurrle won't normally go to Russia.
Werner is inexperienced.
Reus experience is questionable.
So it's more 2 of 4 (Ozil, Muller)

I have to question what counts as „experience“ for you then. I‘m comfortable in saying that even amongst the top nations, someone like Draxler is in the upper bracket in regards to experience. Even if he didn’t play, being part of squads which went so deep in their respective campaigns is invaluable.
I admittedly forgot that his international games for Wolfsburg where in the EL, but yet still that’s a lot of CL games overall. Draxler is also a starter for PSG pretty much, just somehow in central midfield. I‘m not saying you can’t criticize, but do it for the right reasons. I have huge doubts about Draxler this WC, but mainly because he’s been played out of position and because his general inconsistencies. What that other poster said is just reitaterating platitudes he’s heard elsewhere a while ago.

 

[PaulScholes99]

France should at least win one WC with this generation. They have a lot of world class talents. Varane/Umtiti already really good centre backs, mbappe/dembele/martial/lemar soooo much potential. Midfield with pogba/kante/rabiot/tolisso also a lot of class and talent.

But i don't think this year will be their time. Brazil/Spain/Germany are favourites as always, but i don't think Germany will win it. Belgium's golden generation could also win it...

 

[Bearded One]

I won't be surprised if Ter Stegen starts ahead of Neuer at the mundial and yes, Biscuits starts ahead of Koke. I completely forgot him.

In some matches I'd rather have Casmiero whilst in others I'd have Biscuits. Torn between the two.

Neuer plays for Spain?

And Busquets has to be in there surely?

 

[Acrobat7]

Schurrle won't normally go to Russia.
Werner is inexperienced.
Reus experience is questionable.
So it's more 2 of 4 (Ozil, Muller)

We just seem to have different definitions of experience. Somebody with 250 Bundesliga games and 50 CL and EL games is experienced in my book.
It‘s more experience than somebody like M‘Bappe, Firmino, Jesus, Coutinho, Dembele for example.

 

[Blackwidow]

We just seem to have different definitions of experience. Somebody with 250 Bundesliga games and 50 CL and EL games is experienced in my book.
It‘s more experience than somebody like M‘Bappe, Firmino, Jesus, Coutinho, Dembele for example.

Actually the experience of a single player does not matter if you have that experience in the leaders of the team. Germany has the structure of experienced players - Neuer, Khedira, Boateng, Hummels, Kroos, Özil, Müller each have somewhat between 150 and 200 international matches for club and country (and most of them are 28 or 29) - with a lot in cup competitions and finals. Müller and Özil were able to shine in a 2010 world cup as youngsters, too - but there were others around them that played their 4th or 5th tournament.

 

[Aurell]

I have to question what counts as „experience“ for you then. I‘m comfortable in saying that even amongst the top nations, someone like Draxler is in the upper bracket in regards to experience. Even if he didn’t play, being part of squads which went so deep in their respective campaigns is invaluable.
I admittedly forgot that his international games for Wolfsburg where in the EL, but yet still that’s a lot of CL games overall. Draxler is also a starter for PSG pretty much, just somehow in central midfield. I‘m not saying you can’t criticize, but do it for the right reasons. I have huge doubts about Draxler this WC, but mainly because he’s been played out of position and because his general inconsistencies. What that other poster said is just reitaterating platitudes he’s heard elsewhere a while ago.

Well, I actually feel the same when people are saying that french players are the most talented...


So we talked about NT so i was pointed Draxler experience at the high level. I would say there is:
- the experience in Club: number of games in the league, CL or EL and especially if you play them and not replace 1 player when there is 10 min to go and 4-0.
Plus, if you're good at those games, and useful; it's better. For example, Saul. If I only talk about this season, I would say that Aurier isn't an experienced player at the high level. And yet, he played but at the end he didn't prove anything. He left the CL with no complete/reference games.
- And most of all, the european games are really important. When you begin to play CL final stage or 1/4 final EL, repeatedly, you become experienced at the high level. So, Sevilla players are. Players like Lacazette or Fekir, Icardi, Immobile not really. They are more solid league players. But I think you can't gain some high level experience by playing twice a year against Juve, Napoli and Roma. It's meaningless when we are talking about international level.

- 2. The experience in NT. Examples: Schurrle, Klose, Podolski... I'm pretty sure you get it. And some combine the both: Ramos, CR, Hummels,...


For me, Draxler has gained a certain experience at a european level with his clubs but like i explained it on the other post,isn't an experienced/etablished international player.

Plus to be more precise, he didn't play a lot before the PSG/Real, but after the game, he complained publicly about Emery and his play time - Draxler doing some Draxler... So Neymar being out, and the club playing no real competitions, he now plays every game on the wing and will certainly be a starter until the end of the season (Ney is supposed to come back in 1 month). And yeah, his repositioning in the midfied was unsuccessful. Personally, I hope (for him) he will go this summer.

 

[Grylte]

Germany, because that's just how it is.

 

[do.ob]

Schurrle won't normally go to Russia.
Werner is inexperienced.
Reus experience is questionable.
So it's more 2 of 4 (Ozil, Muller)

In what world is Reus' experience questionable?

p.s.
I think Schürrle's chances of making the WC squad are at least 50/50. Since he picked up some form and a starter spot under Stöger Löw will take a good look at him for an impact sub slot.

 

[Charles Miller]

Some German posters here look nervous when they read any slight criticism. Why? Germany is the number one favorite!! Nobody will have a chance against them!

After that pointless friendly they lost against Brazil with their B line up some German papers looked very upset posting things like: "Now we're 7-2" .
I dont understand why. If you compare player x player Germany x Brazil all the Germans are better!

Also, i really believe that if Brazil play against Germany again in the wc it will be another disaster because Germany is just a fantastic team with 11 wc players and Brazil have a lot of weakness and many average players!!!

 

[GhastlyHun]

Some German posters here look nervous when they read any slight criticism. Why? Germany is the number one favorite!! Nobody will have a chance against them!

After that pointless friendly they lost against Brazil with their B line up some German papers looked very upset posting things like: "Now we're 7-2" .
I dont understand why. If you compare player x player Germany x Brazil all the Germans are better!

Also, i really believe that if Brazil play against Germany again in the wc it will be another disaster because Germany is just a fantastic team with 11 wc players and Brazil have a lot of weakness and many average players!!!

I know a jinx when I see one!

 

[antohan]

That's absolutely not what you said. You said that the offensive line is weak compared to other countries, cited specific players and compared them to players which have huge question marks over themselves as well. I have specifically quoted those examples (to which you gladly haven't come back). Your own reactions shows how much bullshit was in your initial post. And yes, that will trigger the newbie reaction. Because apparently you don't really follow football. Your Müller thing is just laughable. You say he's out of form, get called out on it because it's not true, than you admit you don't know shit about him, haven't seen him play in ages, were too lazy to look up even the most basic statistics and basically say "well feck you, but I have read he's in bad form somewhere a few months ago". What kind of reaction do you expect to get for stuff like that?

The upside is none of this has any bearing on what happens in Russia. Calm down.

 

[TheKaiser]

Not really but if you read closely.. Spain are my favourites as I think they'll reach the final for sure. Since that post changed my mind a little on Brazil who looked very strong against Germany in the recent friendly.. they also looked nailed on semi finalists at minimum.

I would not overestimate this game. Brazil played without Neymar, but Germany played with half a B-team (without Neuer/Ter Stegen, Hummels, Hector, Özil and Müller and for 62 minutes with Gomez instead of Werner who probably will start for Germany in the WC) and tested a lot with 5 subs while Brazil only subbed one time and seemed to take the match much more seriously as Germany. Nevertheless is the Brazilian team one of the favorites. But I rate Germany and Spain higher.

 

[breakout67]

Germany to retain it. They are usually sub-par in the build up and then perform during the tournament itself.

 

[ghagua]

Spain or Germany. Deschamps will stop France from competing.

 

[bebeanderson]

What a trainwreck of a post. Müller not in top form? Have you watched football, like, at all the past 6 month? He's probably Bayerns best player at the moment.

Then you talk about how there are questionmark over our wingers, yet you mentioned the failure that is Douglas Costa, the average Willian, the just-having-his-breakout-season Coman, Dembele with his nightmare season, Martial with pretty much a similarly bad season and Fekir who has done feck all one the international stage as somehow superior star players.

I don't think Douglas Costa is a failure (ask Juve fans), neither Willian is average. They both come off the bench for Brazil anyways.