Who are we going to sell?

[JefferiesTube]

Sir, you posting standards are quite pitiable. Please consider being less childish and spastic as we all hope you can contributing meaningfully to this forum in the future.

So, tell us what you think about Varela to want to ship him out as opposed to someone like James or Henriquez or Petrucci or Cole.

Cole? Petrucci is on my list to be sold. Why are you so up in arms about me wanting to sell a player who has never played in the first team, yet throughout this thread and in other threads, probably almost every first team player has been listed as someone to get rid of. Just because my opinion is different to your opinion, you feel the need to start with insults? Why?

 

[khoazany]

Cole? Petrucci is on my list to be sold. Why are you so up in arms about me wanting to sell a player who has never played in the first team, yet throughout this thread and in other threads, probably almost every first team player has been listed as someone to get rid of. Just because my opinion is different to your opinion, you feel the need to start with insults? Why?

Actually your argument isn't totally irrational but no way we will sell that much.We don't need trimming the squad down to that certain.Backup players do exist for reasons and few of the players you listed are useful for the squad (Welbeck,Kagawa) or youngsters with potentially big future.Janko has show nothing to prove that he is a better talent than Varela and Johnstone is one of the best GK of his age around his performance last season even on par or better than the much hyped Butland.You don't sell talents of his level who has been with a club for a long time, it sends a wrong signal to kids in the academy about their chances.I do agree that after a few seasons I can only see one of Varela,Janko and Vermijl still remain at the club unless Rafael did something insane like request a transfer to Real.

One year of successful loan can make a lot of different that's why I won't agree with selling Zaha and W.Keane although it's not really something mad if we did sell them.

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

Actually your argument isn't totally irrational but no way we will sell that much.We don't need trimming the squad down to that certain.Backup players do exist for reasons and few of the players you listed are useful for the squad (Welbeck,Kagawa) or youngsters with potentially big future.Janko has show nothing to prove that he is a better talent than Varela and Johnstone is one of the best GK of his age around his performance last season even on par or better than the much hyped Butland.One year of successful loan can make a lot of different that's why I won't agree with selling Zaha and W.Keane although it's not really something mad if we did sell them.

Would it be fair to say that, without European football, we can reduce the size of the squad by 5 players?

 

[LR7]

Would it be fair to say that, without European football, we can reduce the size of the squad by 5 players?

Probably even more than 5 given that 3 are gone already (Vidic, Rio and Giggs). Nowhere near 18 though and no way should we be getting rid of promising youngsters like Johnstone and Varela or good squad players like Kagawa, Welbeck, Cleverley and Lindegaard.
Edit: Hopefully the likes of Wilson, Lingard, Lawrence, M. Keane and possibly Varela will be given an chance and it'll be interesting to see what happens with Zaha who I haven't written off as some on here have.

 

[khoazany]

Would it be fair to say that, without European football, we can reduce the size of the squad by 5 players?

We're already 3 players short compared to last season (Giggs,Ferdinand,Vidic).5 players I think will make sense (perfect number is 3-4 for me considering we'll sign some new players and it adds up to the number) but it will depends a lot on how many youngsters LVG think will ready to challenge for the squad for next season or 2015-2016.Don't forget Lingard,Zaha,Vermijl have to be registered for next season (plus obviously Jones) and even if you think we can easily pass the 25-man rule they're all in the age of whether they have a real role in the squad (not just "kids to be blooded in") or go on loan or be sold.You can't hang around the U21s anymore at that age.

 

[JefferiesTube]

Actually your argument isn't totally irrational but no way we will sell that much.We don't need trimming the squad down to that certain.Backup players do exist for reasons and few of the players you listed are useful for the squad (Welbeck,Kagawa) or youngsters with potentially big future.Janko has show nothing to prove that he is a better talent than Varela and Johnstone is one of the best GK of his age around his performance last season even on par or better than the much hyped Butland.You don't sell talents of his level who has been with a club for a long time, it sends a wrong signal to kids in the academy about their chances.I do agree that after a few seasons I can only see one of Varela,Janko and Vermijl still remain at the club unless Rafael did something insane like request a transfer to Real.

One year of successful loan can make a lot of different that's why I won't agree with selling Zaha and W.Keane although it's not really something mad if we did sell them.

I understand what you say about giving the wrong signal to youth players, but I think it is beneficial in the long run to have a more ruthless youth set up. The young players will know that they NEED to perform and reach the highest possible standards they can, otherwise they wont make it. It would encourage them to be more committed to training and improving themselves. Everything that I say about youth set up is with the intention of one day getting to have the no1 academy in the world. Better than any Ajax, Barcelona, Munich or any other team. No1 academy and youth set up = Manchester United, that is the objective. To get to that, you cannot have a charity attitude, you need to be ruthless and make it a truly elite system.

 

[limerickcitykid]

It is just my choice of who to keep and who to sell. If I want to make the squad smaller I have to choose someone. Other people make their choices of who they want to sell. 18 might sound too many but most of them are reserves. Another reason I want to sell so many is to benefit the under 21s. I would rather we have teenagers playing for the under 21s and not 21-23yos. I want 2 senior players in each position and then have youth players as back up. They get their chance if needed. I would rather Janko be the 3rd choice RB and have Rafael and Valencia as 2 RBs. If you want to keep Varela, then who would I sell instead of him? Rafael or Valencia? I like both of those players so I don't want to sell either of them. For LB we have Evra, Buttner, James, but I would like Rodriguez to strengthen and we have Rodriguez, Evra and James. so 2 senior LBs and RBs and a youth back up for each position. And we have 2 different types of LB and RB so better options.

Reece James isn't a teenager and only half a year younger than Varela with no first team appearances either. Janko has only played at RB about once for the U21s and hasn't in anyway shown he'd be better fit as a back-up than Varela and in fact is less proven than Varela as he has actually played at RB for the U21s. Valencia isn't a RB either and his reading of the game defensively is near abysmal. Selling off a good prospect to use Valencia at RB is just silly. We can keep Varela and not sell anyone. We only have one RB in our first team and Varela can be the second.

Your posts are baffling and you are looking to sell off two highly rate young players at the club which I have to believe you have never even seen play.

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

We're already 3 players short compared to last season (Giggs,Ferdinand,Vidic).5 players I think will make sense (actually can be more than that) but it will depends a lot on how many youngsters LVG think will ready to challenge for the squad for next season or 2015-2016.Don't forget Lingard,Zaha,Vermijl have to be registered for next season (plus obviously Jones) and even if you think we can easily pass the 25-man rule they're all in the age of whether they have a role in the squad or go on loan or be sold.You can't hang around the U21s anymore at that age.

So, take however many you think we can reduce the squad by overall...
Take away the 3 we have already lost...
Add the number of players you would like LVG to sign this window...
Add the number of players you would like to see promoted from the Reserves...

What number do you get?

That's the number of players we would need to sell.

 

[JefferiesTube]

Reece James isn't a teenager and only half a year younger than Varela with no first team appearances either. Janko has only played at RB about once for the U21s and hasn't in anyway shown he'd be better fit as a back-up than Varela and in fact is less proven than Varela as he has actually played at RB for the U21s. Valencia isn't a RB either and his reading of the game defensively is near abysmal. Selling off a good prospect to use Valencia at RB is just silly. We can keep Varela and not sell anyone. We only have one RB in our first team and Varela can be the second.

Your posts are baffling and you are looking to sell off two highly rate young players at the club which I have to believe you have never even seen play.

You have your opinion. I have my opinion. Your opinion does not baffle me, it does not confuse me, it means nothing to me, it is simply a different opinion. Why does my opinion baffle you? Is it my opinion that baffles you? Or are you baffled because someone doesn't think the same as you?

 

[khoazany]

I understand what you say about giving the wrong signal to youth players, but I think it is beneficial in the long run to have a more ruthless youth set up. The young players will know that they NEED to perform and reach the highest possible standards they can, otherwise they wont make it. It would encourage them to be more committed to training and improving themselves. Everything that I say about youth set up is with the intention of one day getting to have the no1 academy in the world. Better than any Ajax, Barcelona, Munich or any other team. No1 academy and youth set up = Manchester United, that is the objective. To get to that, you cannot have a charity attitude, you need to be ruthless and make it a truly elite system.

I share your passion but you always have the late bloomer in the rank especially with clubs like us who can't afford to give every promising player a chance at 18-20 considering the level of football and expectation.Looks at how Barca was patient with the likes of Bartra,Pedro and Cuenca.Not everyone is a Januzaj even Deulofeu who was tipped as one of the best talent coming through La Masia in the last decade wasn't given chance and he's already 20.Our club is already one of the most ruthless setup around (not many academy release a youngster who was playing almost every game for their U18s that season) but ruthless doesn't mean that axing everyone who isn't in the first team at the age of 20-21.Especially if you consider GK is a position when people in their peak at around 30 plus not 25 -27 like other position than you can hardly find many youngsters who's already too good for Championship level like Johnstone.Varela is bought last year so of course he needs time to settle in and I think he could hardly do a better job than he did.P.Neville himself said they expect him to challenge for a first team spot next season.Whether W.Keane should move on is arguable as I've said but it hardly his fault that he got that stupid injury.

To make Manchester United academy the best youth setup in the world required many improvement and planning from the grassroots level all the way to the loan strategy for 18-23 years old youngsters.A single twist at the top of the pyramid can't do much.

 

[limerickcitykid]

You have your opinion. I have my opinion. Your opinion does not baffle me, it does not confuse me, it means nothing to me, it is simply a different opinion. Why does my opinion baffle you? Is it my opinion that baffles you? Or are you baffled because someone doesn't think the same as you?

I'm baffled at you even trying to share your opinion on some things you clearly know nothing about. Wanting to sell Johnstone, one of the highest rated young keepers in England, and wanting to use Vanja Milinkovic as our third keeper when he isn't even going to be with us next season just proves the point of you are spouting nonsense. Wanting to cut down the squad size is a fair opinion and one I share but you are just throwing out random names of players and writing them off as average when it is clear you know absolutely nothing about them.

 

[LR7]

You have your opinion. I have my opinion. Your opinion does not baffle me, it does not confuse me, it means nothing to me, it is simply a different opinion. Why does my opinion baffle you? Is it my opinion that baffles you? Or are you baffled because someone doesn't think the same as you?

Your opinion is baffling because it's highly flawed and illogical.

 

[khoazany]

So, take however many you think we can reduce the squad by overall...
Take away the 3 we have already lost...
Add the number of players you would like LVG to sign this window...
Add the number of players you would like to see promoted from the Reserves...

What number do you get?

That's the number of players we would need to sell.

I hope 3 players being promoted with 2 of them will be in the first team squad right from the start of the season.I think we'll sign 3 first team players and sell 5 of them (including Anderson but the likes of Bebe or W.Keane won't be counted - if I have to name the players it would be Anderson,Buttner,Young,Fletcher,Valencia for me) so it's 2 players reduced in total.Not a big chance in quantity because our squad will be a lot younger than last year.A bit contradict with my previous post but I have just changed my mind after considering the age factor.

 

[JefferiesTube]

I'm baffled at you even trying to share your opinion on some things you clearly know nothing about. Wanting to sell Johnstone, one of the highest rated young keepers in England, and wanting to use Vanja Milinkovic as our third keeper when he isn't even going to be with us next season just proves the point of you are spouting nonsense. Wanting to cut down the squad size is a fair opinion and one I share but you are just throwing out random names of players and writing them off as average when it is clear you know absolutely nothing about them.

All the differences of opinion you and me have are because we have set different standards for United players. The standard I want is far higher than the one you want.

 

[JefferiesTube]

Your opinion is baffling because it's highly flawed and illogical.

I want to improve the first team and the under 21s. I want to reduce the squad size to 20-25. I only want under 21s to play for under 21s. What is illogical about any of that? If I want to reduce the squad size to 20-25 the logical way to do so is to sell players. Who to sell? That comes down to personal opinion. If you wanted to bring the squad size down to 20-25 you might have a completely different list. There is nothing illogical about either list because one is my list, one is yours.

 

[limerickcitykid]

All the differences of opinion you and me have are because we have set different standards for United players. The standard I want is far higher than the one you want.

But you don't even know the standards of these players. You are wanting to sell Johnstone who has looked great in the Championship at 21 and replace him with a random 17 year old Serbian who hardly anyone knows anything about. It is has nothing to do with setting different standard and everything to do with you having opinions on players you know nothing about. I'm done replying to you as you haven't seen these players play, know nothing about them and are trying to say they aren't good enough.

 

[gooDevil]

Cole? Petrucci is on my list to be sold. Why are you so up in arms about me wanting to sell a player who has never played in the first team, yet throughout this thread and in other threads, probably almost every first team player has been listed as someone to get rid of. Just because my opinion is different to your opinion, you feel the need to start with insults? Why?

I tried to be as constructive as I could.

Larnell Cole, he's in the reserves with Varela.

Selling one of our best reserve players, who only recently arrived, before he's had a loan much less a first team game, makes no sense and would not follow the pattern this club takes with youth players who do well at reserve level.

I suspect you know very little about Varela and picked his name out of thin air.

 

[limerickcitykid]

Larnell Cole, he's in the reserves with Varela.

You're slipping here gooDevil. Larnell is long gone.

 

[gooDevil]

You're slipping here gooDevil. Larnell is long gone.

Ah, did he go to Fulham? I thought he was out on loan, I'm happy to admit I was wrong.

However I'm sure he's just as familiar with the game of Larnell Cole as he is Varela.

Varela deserves a loan, I would think, but all the signs are good so far. Cole and Petrucci are/were in completely different situations but I wasn't comparing them to Varela.

 

[JefferiesTube]

I tried to be as constructive as I could.

Larnell Cole, he's in the reserves with Varela.

Selling one of our best reserve players, who only recently arrived, before he's had a loan much less a first team game, makes no sense and would not follow the pattern this club takes with youth players who do well at reserve level.

I suspect you know very little about Varela and picked his name out of thin air.

I don't want Valencia playing RW. I want to convert him to attack RB as an alternative to Rafael. I want to reduce the squad size down to 20-25 and have 2 senior players in each position and a youth player as back up for each position, so that gives 3 players for each position. Varela is 21 so now is the time for him to be in the first team. Now, I have a choice to make, Rafael, Varela, Valencia, 2 stay and 1 leave. Rafael and Varela are similar, they are both traditional RBs, but Valencia is different option, a more attacking RB. So do I have 2 RBs who are similar or have a back up who offers something different? You might think why can Varela not just carry on in the under 21s and be the youth back up. But I only want under 21s playing for the under 21s. I coulld choose to sell Rafael or Valencia and have Rafael/Varela or Varela/Valencia, but I think Rafael and Valencia is stronger. I don't think Varela is rubbish, I just don't think Rafael/Varela is strong enough and also there is only plan A and not plan A/plan B. With Johnstone I have had him on a "to keep" list but recently I thought of strengthening the GKs. But I don't object to keeping Johnstone and forgetting strengthening the GKs, as long as Johnstone is no2 GK and promoted. Don't want him playing for under 21s, because he is a senior player now.

 

[limerickcitykid]

Ah, did he go to Fulham? I thought he was out on loan, I'm happy to admit I was wrong.

However I'm sure he's just as familiar with the game of Larnell Cole as he is Varela.

Varela deserves a loan, I would think, but all the signs are good so far. Cole and Petrucci are/were in completely different situations but I wasn't comparing them to Varela.

Yeah was just messing with you, took it you forgot he'd left.

That's been my main point here, he is just listing off names to sell who he knows nothing about.

I was really impressed with Varela last season. Whether he goes on loan or is back-up to Rafael I'll be happy. A loan may be better for him as it would be more guaranteed playing time but then we'll have to put up with Smalling/Valencia at RB for another season.

 

[gooDevil]

I don't want Valencia playing RW. I want to convert him to attack RB as an alternative to Rafael. I want to reduce the squad size down to 20-25 and have 2 senior players in each position and a youth player as back up for each position, so that gives 3 players for each position. Varela is 21 so now is the time for him to be in the first team. Now, I have a choice to make, Rafael, Varela, Valencia, 2 stay and 1 leave. Rafael and Varela are similar, they are both traditional RBs, but Valencia is different option, a more attacking RB. So do I have 2 RBs who are similar or have a back up who offers something different? You might think why can Varela not just carry on in the under 21s and be the youth back up. But I only want under 21s playing for the under 21s. I coulld choose to sell Rafael or Valencia and have Rafael/Varela or Varela/Valencia, but I think Rafael and Valencia is stronger. I don't think Varela is rubbish, I just don't think Rafael/Varela is strong enough and also there is only plan A and not plan A/plan B. With Johnstone I have had him on a "to keep" list but recently I thought of strengthening the GKs. But I don't object to keeping Johnstone and forgetting strengthening the GKs, as long as Johnstone is no2 GK and promoted. Don't want him playing for under 21s, because he is a senior player now.

Okay.

Goalkeepers seem to be given longer to develop, look at Amos.

Anyway, I hope I didn't offend you, no offense meant.

 

[JefferiesTube]

If a player who is 21, 22, 23 is playing for the under 21s then they are taking the place of an under 21 player. This means that the under 21 prospect is not getting a chance. If under 21 players are playing less, there is less chance for them to improve and be an exciting youth prospect.

 

[gooDevil]

Yeah was just messing with you, took it you forgot he'd left.

That's been my main point here, he is just listing off names to sell who he knows nothing about.

I was really impressed with Varela last season. Whether he goes on loan or is back-up to Rafael I'll be happy. A loan may be better for him as it would be more guaranteed playing time but then we'll have to put up with Smalling/Valencia at RB for another season.

I should just google every single thing I post. As it is I only google half of it.

Jeff is cut from a different cloth than most it would seem, with different standards. Personally I think Varela is a good prospect. But we've definitely had some players like Cole and Tunnicliffe that have stuck around a bit too long, so the sentiment I agree with if not the particular case.

 

[gooDevil]

If a player who is 21, 22, 23 is playing for the under 21s then they are taking the place of an under 21 player. This means that the under 21 prospect is not getting a chance. If under 21 players are playing less, there is less chance for them to improve and be an exciting youth prospect.

This is true, but also there are some extenuating circumstances. We may have a thin crop that is up for promotion, meaning we think we'd be better off keeping an older player around for another year than giving the younger player his place. Or like with Petrucci a serious injury means they've had little football though their age is above what is usual for the level.

I'm sure it's all handled on a case by case basis, and this does open up room for sentiment and error. Perhaps the coaches really liked Larnell and that made them a bit biased. Or maybe they wanted to make sure he went to the right club, so they kept him around until a better offer came in.

There are some big issues in reserve football, mostly about getting the level of play to be higher so that there is a reasonable path from the reserves to the first team. As it is now, the gap is too wide and almost all players require loans in between.

This isn't the worst thing, but it takes things out of the club's hands somewhat, especially when a new manager comes into a club where we have a player on loan, as happens often enough. When this does happen we often see our players frozen out for more senior men.

 

[Suus]

Im pretty sure Petrucci shud come to terms with his career and try and get it going somewhere else. He's way behind on his development, and wont get a shot at United.
Ben Amos should also move for his own sake. He's a good lad, but from what I've heard and read, he's just not good enough. I'd much rather see Sam Johnstone get a shot as 2nd keeper henceforth.

I hope we keep Varela around. Varela, Janko should really try and push Rafael for starting spots, atleast in the Carling Cup. We havent really had any competitive edge on the rightback since we had both Neville and Brown in form between 2006-2008,.

I also hope we sell atleast Young. I could be convinced to give Anderson another shot, especially if LvG is gunna play with 3 central midfielders, however, I'm just not sure we can recoup any of his previous form. But I also doubt we can sell him for any decent price, as he's barely played the past 18months.

 

[Glanville95]

We've needed to cull the squad for a few years now. Personally, I think it was too large and unbalanced even when we were in European competition, so with Champions League being a non-entity next season, it's vital we orchestrate a mass turnover this season if any. Of all the players you've stated, I'd be happy to see nearly all of them.

Three players have already left, so ideally, we'd be looking at around ten departures by the start of the new season.

Javier Hernandez - I just don't see him getting a fair amount of gametime given his quality. If he was omitted from the side on a regular basis under the Sir Alex and Moyes' reigns, he's going to find it even more difficult to feature in the first eleven in a system which centres around just the one striker. From the clubs perspective and the players, this is the right move for both parties. We could receive a decent fee for a players who might not see his market value rise above what it currently leaves, while also having one less striker to restrict both Welbeck and Wilson's development; and Hernandez could move to an established and decent club, playing on a regular basis.

Anderson - Should be the first out of the door on that list. While quite a few of those players you've listed, will be subjective whether we should sell or not, I think Anderson going is pretty much a unanimous verdict among all United fans. He's never going to have a future here whoever the manager is, so we should look to cut our losses as soon as possible. I foresee a return to his native country, as many failed Brazilian footballers in Europe tend to do.

Luis Nani - Like Anderson, I do think it's time the club and player part ways. He's had seven seasons here and while it is unquestionable that he harbours ability, his tenure has been inconsistent to say the least. Add recent injury issues over the past few years and I don't see him really excelling again - even under a coach like van Gaal. We'll probably receive a decent fee for him, so like Hernandez, now could be the ideal time to cash in.

Ashley Young - Just simply one of the worst players in our first team squad. A player simply out of his depth at this stage and not even a player he can perform in a squad role capacity in my opinion. Obviously it'll be difficult to sell given his extortionate wages, but alas, QPR have returned to the Premier League, so there's a potential suitor.

Alex Buttner - Probably the player who is most in jeorpady of losing his position at the club with Evra's contract extension and our concrete pursuit of Shaw. Plays like a converted winger and isn't good enough to challenge the first choice left back and keep competition high. Even Dutch compatriot van Gaal couldn't offer assurances over his future.

Bebe - Self-explanatory.

Ben Amos - Lindegaard is a more than capable deputy for de Gea and Johnstone and obviously Milinkovic have more scope for improvement.

Darren Fletcher - Probably the most difficult choice in deciding who should go out of himself, Fellaini and Cleverley. Looking at it front LVG's perspective, I doubt he'll be sentimental in his approach to which midfielder should stay and go, regardless of their status at the club and what they've been through. He may be of the opinion that there's a role for Cleverley and Fellaini in his system. The former doesn't have any exceptional traits, but he is a tidy player who can and has proven to thrive with constant movement around him due to his ability to retain and circulate possession even if he is non-effective in the final third. For Fellaini, I doubt he would operate as the pivot if LVG does opt for the 4-3-3, but he might play as a box-to-box like he does for Belguim. Maybe more than just the one of those three will leave, but I think it might be difficult to offload more than one; Cleverley has an admirer in Martinez and Fellaini is a well-established international who is seemingly available. I actually think LVG will favour Cleverley over the other two however, despite having a worse season than those two.

If these players are to depart along with Rio, Giggs and Vidic, we've lost invaluable experience in some areas, but more importantly we've significantly trimmed the excess fat in the squad. With the right four or five additions we'd have a competitive and healthy, refined squad. That's a better basis for LVG to work with especially when you factor in our exclusion from European football.

 

[NJM78]

Young has to go, please god let him be sold.
Cleverley also.
Nani for his own sake.
Anderson also.
Buttner if Shaw signs.
Hernandez not good enough to start ahead of RvP or Rooney but too good to sit on bench every week.
Bebe.

Keep Powell, Henriquez, M Keane in squad.

Loan Wilson, Lawrence, Lingard, W Keane

 

[Ace of Spades]

We've needed to cull the squad for a few years now. Personally, I think it was too large and unbalanced even when we were in European competition, so with Champions League being a non-entity next season, it's vital we orchestrate a mass turnover this season if any. Of all the players you've stated, I'd be happy to see nearly all of them.

Three players have already left, so ideally, we'd be looking at around ten departures by the start of the new season.

Javier Hernandez - I just don't see him getting a fair amount of gametime given his quality. If he was omitted from the side on a regular basis under the Sir Alex and Moyes' reigns, he's going to find it even more difficult to feature in the first eleven in a system which centres around just the one striker. From the clubs perspective and the players, this is the right move for both parties. We could receive a decent fee for a players who might not see his market value rise above what it currently leaves, while also having one less striker to restrict both Welbeck and Wilson's development; and Hernandez could move to an established and decent club, playing on a regular basis.

Anderson - Should be the first out of the door on that list. While quite a few of those players you've listed, will be subjective whether we should sell or not, I think Anderson going is pretty much a unanimous verdict among all United fans. He's never going to have a future here whoever the manager is, so we should look to cut our losses as soon as possible. I foresee a return to his native country, as many failed Brazilian footballers in Europe tend to do.

Luis Nani - Like Anderson, I do think it's time the club and player part ways. He's had seven seasons here and while it is unquestionable that he harbours ability, his tenure has been inconsistent to say the least. Add recent injury issues over the past few years and I don't see him really excelling again - even under a coach like van Gaal. We'll probably receive a decent fee for him, so like Hernandez, now could be the ideal time to cash in.

Ashley Young - Just simply one of the worst players in our first team squad. A player simply out of his depth at this stage and not even a player he can perform in a squad role capacity in my opinion. Obviously it'll be difficult to sell given his extortionate wages, but alas, QPR have returned to the Premier League, so there's a potential suitor.

Alex Buttner - Probably the player who is most in jeorpady of losing his position at the club with Evra's contract extension and our concrete pursuit of Shaw. Plays like a converted winger and isn't good enough to challenge the first choice left back and keep competition high. Even Dutch compatriot van Gaal couldn't offer assurances over his future.

Bebe - Self-explanatory.

Ben Amos - Lindegaard is a more than capable deputy for de Gea and Johnstone and obviously Milinkovic have more scope for improvement.

Darren Fletcher - Probably the most difficult choice in deciding who should go out of himself, Fellaini and Cleverley. Looking at it front LVG's perspective, I doubt he'll be sentimental in his approach to which midfielder should stay and go, regardless of their status at the club and what they've been through. He may be of the opinion that there's a role for Cleverley and Fellaini in his system. The former doesn't have any exceptional traits, but he is a tidy player who can and has proven to thrive with constant movement around him due to his ability to retain and circulate possession even if he is non-effective in the final third. For Fellaini, I doubt he would operate as the pivot if LVG does opt for the 4-3-3, but he might play as a box-to-box like he does for Belguim. Maybe more than just the one of those three will leave, but I think it might be difficult to offload more than one; Cleverley has an admirer in Martinez and Fellaini is a well-established international who is seemingly available. I actually think LVG will favour Cleverley over the other two however, despite having a worse season than those two.

If these players are to depart along with Rio, Giggs and Vidic, we've lost invaluable experience in some areas, but more importantly we've significantly trimmed the excess fat in the squad. With the right four or five additions we'd have a competitive and healthy, refined squad. That's a better basis for LVG to work with especially when you factor in our exclusion from European football.

Good post.

There may be more as well, depending on who we manage to buy and some will be loaned.

 

[Silverman]

I would sell:

Amos - He should leave for first team football.
Buttner - With Evra signing a new deal and Shaw looking close to signing then there will be no room for him.
Anderson - He should leave for first team football.
Fellaini - I don't think he suits Van Gaal's style.
Fletcher - I think he will struggle to get into our team due to his health problems and it's a real shame.
Powell - Loan
Lingard - Loan
Young - I think we need some new wingers to freshen up our style and play. He should also leave for first team football.
Nani - I think he could do with a fresh start at a new club to kickstart his career.
Bebe - I don't think he is good enough for United.
Hernandez - He just won't get starting enough and he will be reduced to sub appearances and starting cup games and the odd premier league match.

 

[Trizy]

Players I'd like to see sold

Chich - Time to cash in on him, he's been a brilliant player for us but its not fair to have him on the bench when he's capable of starting at most clubs in the league. Hopefully he has a great world cup and it ups his price.

Anderson - Never came anywhere near his potential and proved time and time again how much of a waste of money he was the little fat feck.

Nani - A strange case of Torres Syndrome, can't see us getting much because he's not proved he's worth much in recent years, maybe he'll have a good world cup and up his price.

Bebe - Had a good season and I'm pretty sure the club he's at now will want him back, maybe he can recoup some of that 8 million he cost us. He's still young and had a brilliant season believe it or not.

Ashley fecking Young - I cannot believe this man ever made an appearance for United, he is completely useless! We've prided ourselves in having the best wingers for years and proved very effective, then this bollox comes in and can't even control the ball or beat his first man on the cross. I think it was the Bayern game this year where he came on made 8 passes completing 1, 3 crosses completing none. He's lost the ball more times than I can count, I hate him.

Fletcher - Depending on if he make any CM signings which I'm confident we will.


Possible destinations by order - 1. Spurs, Everton, Southampton -2. Florentina -3. Juventus -4. Current load club -5. QPR -6. Retirement.
Possible fees received 30-35 million
Possible wages freed up 458k per week (23.8m per year)

I'd add Fellaini to that list adding another 10-15m fees and 110k weekly wages but I can't see him being let go no matter how much of a mistake he is.

 

[Blair]

I'd sell whole senior squad with the exception of De Gea, Smalling, Jones, Evans, Kagawa, Mata, Rooney, Januzaj and Van Persie.