Who are we going to sell?

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Not many of our current player are being linked with moves.

What's the story with Buttner, Cleverley, Anderson, Fletcher, Fellaini, Young, Valencia, Nani, Bebe and Hernandez.
 
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We're more likely to let many contracts end and thank players for their service... even when it comes to mr Anderson.

Hernandez... I can't see Woodward letting him go. Too much shirt sell profits.

Ashley Young's contract creates a little problem, though. He's earning way more that he's really worth. I can see his contract to be updated or even terminated through any upcoming offer. We may sell one or two.
 
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Silverman said:
Not many of our current player are being linked with moves.

What's the story with Cleverley, Anderson, Fletcher, Fellaini, Young, Valencia, Nani, Bebe and Hernandez.
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Here's my guess on the list you've out forward. Cleverley to Everton, where he'll do well. Young to Hull with Steve Bruce say that he's quality and that Manchester United don't sign you unless you're a "top player". Valencia will stay I think so too fletcher maybe. Fellaini to whichever club Moyes goes to. Hernandez to Southampton. Bebe who cares. Nani to Italy or back to Portugal.
 
Damien said:
Nah, Hull won't pay transfer fee and Young wouldn't want his wages to be more than halved. Hull can't afford him.
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Maybe if united are that desperate to get rid of him, they might pay a portion of his wages. My point on Young was part joke in that I was preempting what Bruce might say at his unveiling.
 
From a United perspective Fellaini, Valencia, Nani, Hernandez and Fletcher should stay for depth. Fletcher would be a good person to have around the reserves too i think. Anderson, Cleverley, Bebe and Young aren't good enough.

Bebe, Cleverley, Nani and Hernandez you could argue should move for the sake of their careers. Possibly Fellaini too but that depends on how much Van Gaal uses him and who you sign in CM.

I think that Anderson and Bebe will definitely leave though, the others i'm not so sure about.
 
Surely Buttner must be on his way if Evra's staying and we sign another left back. Plus he's dogshit
 
Having already lost Giggs, Ferdinand, and Vidic - I'd imagine we won't lose more than 3 of the ones you've listed. Probably Ando, Bebe, and Young.
 
It's time for us to be ruthless, and I think we have the best man in charge to be just that now. I think we're going to see a big clearout over the coming weeks.
 
I was thinking that with no European football we should be able to trim the size of the squad by maybe 5 players net. If people are wanting 5 or 6 players to be bought and maybe a few more promoted from within, that's a hell of a lot of players needing to be sold!
 
Shark said:
It's time for us to be ruthless, and I think we have the best man in charge to be just that now. I think we're going to see a big clearout over the coming weeks.
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Highly doubtful. We're not going to buy that many players as we would lose in a "clearout". Especially since the summer tour starts only a week or two after the WC ends.
 
Johnstone, Varela, Thorpe, W Keane, Zaha, Vermijl, Petrucci, Welbeck, Bebe, Amos, Cleverley, Kagawa, Buttner, Chicharito, Anderson, Fellaini, Young, Lindegaard

The reason for selling some is they are not good enough and the reason for selling others is the squad is just far too big. After those 18 players are sold, we have 15 senior players. We sign 5-6 players and then have the best of the under 21s. That gives us a healthy 20-25 man squad for a domestic season.
 
JefferiesTube said:
Johnstone, Varela, Thorpe, W Keane, Zaha, Vermijl, Petrucci, Welbeck, Bebe, Amos, Cleverley, Kagawa, Buttner, Chicharito, Anderson, Fellaini, Young, Lindegaard

The reason for selling some is they are not good enough and the reason for selling others is the squad is just far too big. After those 18 players are sold, we have 15 senior players. We sign 5-6 players and then have the best of the under 21s. That gives us a healthy 20-25 man squad for a domestic season.
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Whoa, we get rid of that lot and we simply won't have any squad players. Some of the youngsters who haven't made it, perhaps yes - but absolutely not Welbeck, Cleverley or Kagawa. Surely not the latter especially.

I have the distinct feeling Rooney is going to lose his shit if RVP is made captain, and declare he's leaving the club once and for all. This gives Kagawa and Mata the perfect chance. Kagawa at the very least should be used/wasted on the flanks instead of Young.
 
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Whoa, we get rid of that lot and we simply won't have any squad players. Some of the youngsters who haven't made it, perhaps yes - but absolutely not Welbeck, Cleverley or Kagawa. Surely not the latter especially.

I have the distinct feeling Rooney is going to lose his shit if RVP is made captain, and declare he's leaving the club once and for all. This gives Kagawa and Mata the perfect chance. Kagawa at the very least should be used/wasted on the flanks instead of Young.
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Kagawa has 2 back to back season where he has delivered an average performance for the season of under 7/10. That is the standard we set at Manchester United? If it is, then we can look forward to being 7th and below for a very long time.
 
JefferiesTube said:
Nani is one of our best players. We have lots of quality players in our underrated squad and can win the Premier League and FA Cup next season even if we were to buy no players. The tactics and coaching are the problem, not the standard of our players.
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JefferiesTube said:
Johnstone, Varela, Thorpe, W Keane, Zaha, Vermijl, Petrucci, Welbeck, Bebe, Amos, Cleverley, Kagawa, Buttner, Chicharito, Anderson, Fellaini, Young, Lindegaard

The reason for selling some is they are not good enough and the reason for selling others is the squad is just far too big. After those 18 players are sold, we have 15 senior players. We sign 5-6 players and then have the best of the under 21s. That gives us a healthy 20-25 man squad for a domestic season.
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Your squad is underrated and the standard of your players isn't a problem but you want to sell 18 of them. Okay.
 
Anderson, Young, Buttner and Hernandez should all be sold with immediacy. One of Cleverley or Fletcher would be sold, given the choice, and Valencia is on very then ice. Of course, Bebe and other reserve players that are now 21 would leave too. Petrucci, for example.

I'd happily keep everybody else, with Zaha and Michael Keane heading out on another year's loan.
 
SilentWitness said:
Your squad is underrated and the standard of your players isn't a problem but you want to sell 18 of them. Okay.
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We don't need a squad of 33 players. We need to trim the squad. There is nothing complicated about what I said if you actually sit down, pause and think for a moment. We sell 18 players, we buy 5-6 players to strengthen, we have a healthy squad. Or, we sell 12-13 players, sign no players, we have a healthy squad. Did you read the whole post and see the part where I said "the reason for selling others is the squad is just far too big? Don't stalk me either, its weird. :nervous:
 
Getting rid of the deadwood is going to be just as hard as signing quality players, clubs will want a knock down price on guys like Young, Valencia and Fellaini, and I'm not sure anyone would want Anderson or Buttner. It will be interesting to see what van Gaal does with Fletcher, not sure he'll fancy having a player who is limited in how often he can play. Cleverley to a mid table side seems the strongest possibility of a sale.
 
I'd just list everyone, like I used to do at the start of Championship manager 01/02. Then I'd get Cherno Samba and build my team around him.
 
Tarrou said:
I'd just list everyone, like I used to do at the start of Championship manager 01/02. Then I'd get Cherno Samba and build my team around him.
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I don't think he will want to come to United with no Champions League.
 
The number of ins and outs is likely to be lower than most people expect, given that we have a new manager.
I would be disappointed to see Hernandez go, it would have to be a chunky fee. I cant see Welbeck going, nor Valencia. That leaves Ando (almost certainly) and maybe Young and Nani
 
JefferiesTube said:
Johnstone, Varela, Thorpe, W Keane, Zaha, Vermijl, Petrucci, Welbeck, Bebe, Amos, Cleverley, Kagawa, Buttner, Chicharito, Anderson, Fellaini, Young, Lindegaard

The reason for selling some is they are not good enough and the reason for selling others is the squad is just far too big. After those 18 players are sold, we have 15 senior players. We sign 5-6 players and then have the best of the under 21s. That gives us a healthy 20-25 man squad for a domestic season.
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I'm sorry but what are you smoking?

First of all who is going to be back-up keeper? Why would we sell Johnstone, Amos and Lindegaard? You're just throwing out random names. Johnstone has been great on his loans and there is absolutely no reason to sell him.

We just bought Varela and he had a great first season in the reserves, why would we sell him? You say then have the best of the under 21s but are trying to sell Varela? Vermijl was extremely consistent for our reserves and there would be no reason to sell both him and Varela.

Thorpe has been great for our reserves and was unlucky to get injured in his first game on loan. Impressed on his return by the sound of it too. No reason to sell him before giving him a proper loan.

Zaha should get another go on loan and no way should we sell both Welbeck and Hernandez with RvP's injury record.
 
JefferiesTube said:
We don't need a squad of 33 players. We need to trim the squad. There is nothing complicated about what I said if you actually sit down, pause and think for a moment. We sell 18 players, we buy 5-6 players to strengthen, we have a healthy squad. Or, we sell 12-13 players, sign no players, we have a healthy squad. Did you read the whole post and see the part where I said "the reason for selling others is the squad is just far too big? Don't stalk me either, its weird. :nervous:
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Then the squad isn't that underrated if you're willing to sell half of it. If it was so good and there was no problem with the standard of the players you wouldn't need to sell 18 and buy 5-6 players. Selling 12-13 players and signing no players isn't having a healthy squad either, especially when you list 3 CMs in the people you want to sell, and 3 GKs. Even if you kept them 6 you'd sell Welbeck and Hernandez so RVP and Rooney would be the only senior strikers, so you'd be heavily banking on them not being injured and with their record it wouldn't be that likely. Also for the points @limerickcitykid made. The reserves can go out on loan so it doesn't matter if the squad is too big as there will always be those who go out on loan and then can be assessed.
 
If we are going to have a clear-out of sorts you'd think it would be now given the situation with the manager and also because of us not having European football next season. That said, I wouldn't expect more than Anderson, Macheda, Young, Buttner and Hernandez sold with Fellaini possibly joining them (dependant on price and van Gaal's centre mid plans). Bebe may also go though I think he deserves to go out on loan at a Premier League club seeing how good his form has been for Pacos.
 
limerickcitykid said:
I'm sorry but what are you smoking?

First of all who is going to be back-up keeper? Why would we sell Johnstone, Amos and Lindegaard? You're just throwing out random names. Johnstone has been great on his loans and there is absolutely no reason to sell him.

We just bought Varela and he had a great first season in the reserves, why would we sell him? You say then have the best of the under 21s but are trying to sell Varela? Vermijl was extremely consistent for our reserves and there would be no reason to sell both him and Varela.

Thorpe has been great for our reserves and was unlucky to get injured in his first game on loan. Impressed on his return by the sound of it too. No reason to sell him before giving him a proper loan.

Zaha should get another go on loan and no way should we sell both Welbeck and Hernandez with RvP's injury record.
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Is Johnstone good enough to challenge de Gea to be no1? Round of applause for the 21 year old who did well in his debut season for the under 21s. What is the purpose of loaning them? Why not just sell them and move on? Are we a charity or an elite football club?
 
JefferiesTube said:
Is Johnstone good enough to challenge de Gea to be no1? Round of applause for the 21 year old who did well in his debut season for the under 21s. What is the purpose of loaning them? Why not just sell them and move on? Are we a charity or an elite football club?
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So they can get game time and improve enough to come back and challenge for the first team the season after?
 
Well, van Gaal's hinted at Buttner leaving, so that's very likely. After him, I feel that Anderson may leave due to his fitness issues. That's it, though.
 
JefferiesTube said:
When they are kids they should go on loan for experience. Not as grown men.
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No one is the finished article at the age of twenty one. They still have another year or two left before they should be putting it all together.
 
JefferiesTube said:
Is Johnstone good enough to challenge de Gea to be no1? Round of applause for the 21 year old who did well in his debut season for the under 21s. What is the purpose of loaning them? Why not just sell them and move on? Are we a charity or an elite football club?
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Have you ever watched any of our U21 matches?

He most likely isn't good enough to challenge De Gea but you still need a back-up, what back-up is likely to be good enough to challenge De Gea?. So your plan is to only have 1 keeper at the club?

Varela's moved to a new country, new language and his parents were in a car crash. He has had a huge change in his life and did very well. Selling him would be stupid. What is the purpose of loaning them? Are you serious or on a wum? Players don't reach 20 and either made it or not.
 
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