Who are the best ball playing goalkeepers that are attainable?

GwilDor said:
I’m quite curious as to what we’re offering DDG in his new contract. My position is this:

- What could he get somewhere else:
Surely nowhere close to what he is on at the moment. Which is also our competing level. For him to change clubs is not just a «risk» for us, it is also a risk for him. I’d offer him somewhere under half of what he is on now, say 160k/pw. That would free up around 11mill from our yearly wage budget, practically financing wages for a second keeper, and parts of the transfer fee.

- Length of contract offer?
I’d also make it a relatively short contract, allowing DDG the chance to impress in a competition with a new keeper, and as such be in a good position to renegotiate the reduced contract next year or the year after, whilst giving the club a way out should he turn out to be an expensive #2.

I’m just hoping we’re not giving him a new expensive contract with no way out, cause whilst he may return to his shotstoppig self of the past, i don’t see him developing the qualities required for the team to keep developing.
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All sources are saying it’s a reduction and I can only assume it’ll be like a 1 year with a +1 option or something. Issue is why delay the inevitable, any extension gives the club an excuse not to spend the money on a replacement - the realistic plan with ETH is to be ready to challenge on both front in 3 years, we’re coming to the end of 1 and we should be top 4 plus a minor trophy (decent season) so we really have to bed in a new GK next season in my opinion.
 
Mike Maignan is the best goalkeeper in the world for me and if money was no object, then he is by far the clear and obvious choice.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
All sources are saying it’s a reduction and I can only assume it’ll be like a 1 year with a +1 option or something. Issue is why delay the inevitable, any extension gives the club an excuse not to spend the money on a replacement - the realistic plan with ETH is to be ready to challenge on both front in 3 years, we’re coming to the end of 1 and we should be top 4 plus a minor trophy (decent season) so we really have to bed in a new GK next season in my opinion.
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I think the club will definately let either DDG or Henderson go this summer. If both leave the club you’d definately put a lot of pressure on the new keeper, with only Heaton (and Matej Kovar?) to really challenge him if he goes on to be a Taibi.
All of this amounts to, imo, that we will renew DDG on a much reduced contract, sell Henderson(unless DDG leaves, in which case we’ll keep him i think), and bring in a decent but uncostly goalkeeper with the inteention of making him #1, essentially someone like Raya.
 
Rozay said:
Mike Maignan is the best goalkeeper in the world for me and if money was no object, then he is by far the clear and obvious choice.
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Seen a few games and I've been impressed but I personally just couldn't justify it ahead of a 9 and another midfielder. Would you prioritise it?
 
arnie_ni said:
Seen a few games and I've been impressed but I personally just couldn't justify it ahead of a 9 and another midfielder. Would you prioritise it?
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Hence the ‘if money was no object’ part. As it stands, I’m with you - a striker and a midfielder are of higher priority. Unless of course we are unable to agree a deal with De Gea, in which case it would take on equal importance (albeit inconveniently).
 
Rozay said:
Hence the ‘if money was no object’ part. As it stands, I’m with you - a striker and a midfielder are of higher priority. Unless of course we are unable to agree a deal with De Gea, in which case it would take on equal importance (albeit inconveniently).
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Yeah convinced he's the best option,however in terms of priority I would put it at highest 4th on the list so may have to put this back until 2024.
 
marktan said:
So? In the last 3 seasons he's started about 70 league games over the no.2 keeper who has started 5. A downturn in form or a newer manager wanting to try the no.2 doesn't mean he's not good.
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He is not good enough for Brighton. You think he is going to turn up at United and suddenly become world class?

This is my problem with flavor of the month midtable keepers that people keep banging on about. There is a reason the likes of Sanchez, Raya, Pope etc remain in relegation or midtable level clubs into their mid 20s. They are all inconsistent and simply not good enough for the top level. From the outside they may look good but United fans dont watch all these keepers like they do De Gea. Just watching highlight reels, silly stats and fantasy league points is not enough.
 
redIndianDevil said:
He is not good enough for Brighton. You think he is going to turn up at United and suddenly become world class?

This is my problem with flavor of the month midtable keepers that people keep banging on about. There is a reason the likes of Sanchez, Raya, Pope etc remain in relegation or midtable level clubs into their mid 20s. They are all inconsistent and simply not good enough for the top level. From the outside they may look good but United fans dont watch all these keepers like they do De Gea. Just watching highlight reels, silly stats and fantasy league points is not enough.
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I'm not saying he's good enough. I rate De Gea higher than all of these. It was in response to someone saying Bazunu was good enough for us, I said keepers like Sanchez and Raya are better shot stoppers.

I do think Sanchez is a pretty solid shot stopper though as well as being good with the ball. But we should be looking for the next Allisson, and I'd be happy to wait for that.
 
I think we need to stop goojg down the rabbit hole of thinking the only way to get a good goalkeeper is spending 60 + million on yet another player, we keep going down this route with not the greatest of success, I mean look at arsenal who are sitting top of the table with ramsdale in goal and sure no fan here would have been asking for us to buy him to replace de gea last summer because we are too obsessed with big name signings
 
Lee565 said:
I think we need to stop goojg down the rabbit hole of thinking the only way to get a good goalkeeper is spending 60 + million on yet another player, we keep going down this route with not the greatest of success, I mean look at arsenal who are sitting top of the table with ramsdale in goal and sure no fan here would have been asking for us to buy him to replace de gea last summer because we are too obsessed with big name signings
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He wasn't exactly cheap either
 
croadyman said:
Yeah convinced he's the best option,however in terms of priority I would put it at highest 4th on the list so may have to put this back until 2024.
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Yea but the priority level is not determined yet as it depends on whether we agree a deal with De Gea or not. If we don’t, he will leave for free and GK will become as important as any other role. Unless of course people are still counting on Henderson.
 
marktan said:
I'm not saying he's good enough. I rate De Gea higher than all of these. It was in response to someone saying Bazunu was good enough for us, I said keepers like Sanchez and Raya are better shot stoppers.

I do think Sanchez is a pretty solid shot stopper though as well as being good with the ball. But we should be looking for the next Allisson, and I'd be happy to wait for that.
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Fair enough. I didn't know you were replying to someone else. You are right that we should be looking for the next Allison or Ederson.
 
Lee565 said:
I think we need to stop goojg down the rabbit hole of thinking the only way to get a good goalkeeper is spending 60 + million on yet another player, we keep going down this route with not the greatest of success, I mean look at arsenal who are sitting top of the table with ramsdale in goal and sure no fan here would have been asking for us to buy him to replace de gea last summer because we are too obsessed with big name signings
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But it doesn't mean we go and buy a average keeper too. If we have money then we can go ahead and buy a good keeper if not then De Gea is more than enough for another season and we can concentrate on getting a proper central midfielder.
 
redIndianDevil said:
He is not good enough for Brighton. You think he is going to turn up at United and suddenly become world class?
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Is De Gea good enough for Brighton?

Being not good enough for Brighton doesn't mean he wouldn't an improvement for us - to be clear Sanchez isn't the goalkeeper I'd be signing but he's a much better fit than De Gea is.
 
redIndianDevil said:
But it doesn't mean we go and buy a average keeper too. If we have money then we can go ahead and buy a good keeper if not then De Gea is more than enough for another season and we can concentrate on getting a proper central midfielder.
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If we can get a decent all-round keeper for cheap who will be more suited to the way ETH wants to play, it should be well worth it even if he's not great and will need to be improved further in a year or two.

Pope last season was an obvious example. He's a good all-round keeper who is dominant in the air and likes to act as a sweeper, both of which would allow the defensive line to sit higher, but his actual quality on the ball isn't very good (probably still better than DDG though). The latter means he wouldn't have been the right option long-term, but for 10m he'd have been good to tide us over. That balance of skills might not be what ETH is looking for even in the short-term (he might put more emphasis on distribution), but our scouts should be looking for these kinds of deals that can improve the team in stages when the option isn't there to go straight to the final piece of the puzzle.
 
I know this is the thing now with keepers, but even the Liverpool keeper looks dodgy and error-prone.
 
Ball-Playing goalkeepers are only as good as the player who is receiving the pass. Typically, Man City players are all good at one touch passing when under pressure. You put Ederson in goal for us and have him passing the ball exactly the same way to Fred, Wan Bissaka, Bruno... it's not always going to work out. In fact the only player in our team who I would always trust receiving the ball facing his own goal is Eriksen. For our current squad, I think a shotstopper is far more important. The only advantage I could see would be accurate balls over the top for Rashford.
 
Raya plays as a sweeper for Brentford, at times he's on the edge of the centre circle. He's also pretty good on crosses and a decent stop shopper. He's the obvious choice in the premier league and shouldnt break the bank
 
arnie_ni said:
Seen a few games and I've been impressed but I personally just couldn't justify it ahead of a 9 and another midfielder. Would you prioritise it?
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I'm no expert but I feel a new keeper in our strongest team now would transform our play. I think DDG holds us back enormously.
 
redIndianDevil said:
He is not good enough for Brighton. You think he is going to turn up at United and suddenly become world class?

This is my problem with flavor of the month midtable keepers that people keep banging on about. There is a reason the likes of Sanchez, Raya, Pope etc remain in relegation or midtable level clubs into their mid 20s. They are all inconsistent and simply not good enough for the top level. From the outside they may look good but United fans dont watch all these keepers like they do De Gea. Just watching highlight reels, silly stats and fantasy league points is not enough.
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Sorry but hardly disagree with almost everything. By that logic every top goalkeeper should be born and raised straight from the academy of the top club, if not, he is not top club material. Neuer was 25 when he moved to Bayern, Alisson at 24 was not even in Europe and he moved to Liverpool at 26 etc.

I watch a lot of football and have watched ~95% of DDG and ~80-85% of Raya/Sanchez performances last seasons, and I would take the latter two over DDG on any given day, despite Sanchez currently being out of favor at Brighton. There is a strong reason why they were included in the last Spain NT squads and De Gea wasn't.

As for Sanchez's current situation, given previous situations Brighton already faced with both Trossard and Caicedo this season, I don't buy it completely that they just gave Steele a chance or that he is a better fit for De Zebri. I might be wrong, but I have a strong feeling there is something behind the scenes and that they are simply preparing for a life without him.

And yes, Brighton and Brentford might be "mid-table" clubs as you described, but they are also among the best-run clubs in the league.
 
We aren’t winning anything with de Gea in net even if we sign brilliant players elsewhere. I’d much rather see him go for free and bring back Hendo if we have to use an existing option for a season.
 
Ironically from our POV, the reported reason for Steele having displaced Sanchez at Brighton is that Steele is better again at distribution.

Whatever about the pros and cons about Sanchez generally, it probably underlines De Gea's limitations somewhat that a guy who would be a clear upgrade on him in possession and is ahead of him in the national team partly for that reason is himself being displaced because he's not good enough in possession.

For the record, De Zerbi's quotes on Steele and why he is being picked ahead of Sanchez:

For me, for our style, I don't know if there is another keeper in Europe so good, so smart to understand the line pass, to understand the opponent's pressure, and he is playing fantastically. I am very, very happy. But I don't want to forget Robert. Because Robert will play in the FA Cup. But for me as a coach sometimes you have to make difficult decisions and Jason is playing only because of one thing. He is closer to my idea and I think he showed his quality.
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Lux Thunder said:
Sorry but hardly disagree with almost everything. By that logic every top goalkeeper should be born and raised straight from the academy of the top club, if not, he is not top club material. Neuer was 25 when he moved to Bayern, Alisson at 24 was not even in Europe and he moved to Liverpool at 26 etc.

I watch a lot of football and have watched ~95% of DDG and ~80-85% of Raya/Sanchez performances last seasons, and I would take the latter two over DDG on any given day, despite Sanchez currently being out of favor at Brighton. There is a strong reason why they were included in the last Spain NT squads and De Gea wasn't.

As for Sanchez's current situation, given previous situations Brighton already faced with both Trossard and Caicedo this season, I don't buy it completely that they just gave Steele a chance or that he is a better fit for De Zebri. I might be wrong, but I have a strong feeling there is something behind the scenes and that they are simply preparing for a life without him.

And yes, Brighton and Brentford might be "mid-table" clubs as you described, but they are also among the best-run clubs in the league.
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If you watch them a lot then fair enough. I don’t but both Raya and Sanchez are relatively unknown and there wasn’t much clamour or talks of Sanchez being better than de Gea the previous seasons.

Brentford and Brighton are the hipster clubs this season. Let’s see how they fare next season before heaping praise on them.
 
Lux Thunder said:
By that logic every top goalkeeper should be born and raised straight from the academy of the top club, if not, he is not top club material. Neuer was 25 when he moved to Bayern, Alisson at 24 was not even in Europe and he moved to Liverpool at 26 etc.
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Sure, let's just skip the fact that they were already starting goalkeepers for two of the best national teams in the world. Sanchez/Raya aren't even 2nd choice.
 
PSV said:
Sure, let's just skip the fact that they were already starting goalkeepers for two of the best national teams in the world. Sanchez/Raya aren't even 2nd choice.
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And yet our beloved #1 can't make even a squad list ! All in all, I intended to reply poster who stated that is "something wrong" when a player/goalkeeper is not in a top club in their mid-twenties, which I found too harsh and incorrect so I made two examples where two top goalkeepers Alisson and Neuer were in that time of their career (club level, not international - different market). FFS we signed VDS at age of 34 and we all know how big a difference he made for us.

redIndianDevil said:
If you watch them a lot then fair enough. I don’t but both Raya and Sanchez are relatively unknown and there wasn’t much clamour or talks of Sanchez being better than de Gea the previous seasons.

Brentford and Brighton are the hipster clubs this season. Let’s see how they fare next season before heaping praise on them.
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Yeah, I admire both of them for some period now and was suggesting last season we should replace DDG with Sanchez. Honestly, I still do rate Sanchez more than Steele, not bought completely on Steele yet. And wouldn't call Brighton and Brentford hipster clubs, they are getting rewards on the pitch, especially Brighton this season, for their amazing work out of the field.
 
Who is the best with their feet and general distribution out of Raya,Costa and Maignan
 
Raya always passes the eye test for me. Even yesterday he was actually good in all areas of a goal keeping, ie cross claiming, sweeping, even his kicking was much better than de geas. Its a no brainer, raya is way ahead of De gea its so obvious why one is picked for the spain sqaud and the other isnt.
Diogo costa looks pretty good too just that he will be pricier. Either way we need to get a number 1 for next season
 
croadyman said:
Who is the best with their feet and general distribution out of Raya,Costa and Maignan
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If we know they’re all decent in terms of distribution then why not chose the best shot stopper/cross claimer out of the three. Not to mention the mentality needed to play goalkeeper for United.

This really shouldn’t be football manager where we sort by passing attribute and make a decision on the next goalkeeper.
 
Mwooyo said:
Raya always passes the eye test for me. Even yesterday he was actually good in all areas of a goal keeping, ie cross claiming, sweeping, even his kicking was much better than de geas. Its a no brainer, raya is way ahead of De gea its so obvious why one is picked for the spain sqaud and the other isnt.
Diogo costa looks pretty good too just that he will be pricier. Either way we need to get a number 1 for next season
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Based on yesterday, I wasn't impressed with Raya. Not that he had a bad game, but his kicking was slightly off and there were a couple of times his hesitancy caused difficult situations for his defenders.

That said it was refreshing to see a keeper so comfortable outside his area. De Gea's nervousness is difficult to watch at times.
 
If Qatar buys us, then Maigan is the target we should get.

If this is Ratcliff, then it can be Diogo Costa.

If we still have the Glazers, then it will be De Gea
 
Rozay said:
Hence the ‘if money was no object’ part. As it stands, I’m with you - a striker and a midfielder are of higher priority. Unless of course we are unable to agree a deal with De Gea, in which case it would take on equal importance (albeit inconveniently).
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I doubt he will cost more than Costa.
 
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