Which players do you think could surprise us next season?

I think Hag will tone down Bruno's erratic behaviour when in possession. I also expect Lindelof to get a consistent run in the side.
Sancho will improve. His type of football should align with Hag, as does Beek's.
Shaw may get back into form too.
 
I think Hag will tone down Bruno's erratic behaviour when in possession. I also expect Lindelof to get a consistent run in the side.
Sancho will improve. His type of football should align with Hag, as does Beek's.
Shaw may get back into form too.
Come to think of it, changing Bruno into a precise, cold decision making player could be my favourite surprise and could easily elevate him to a whole new level of world class.

More vocal and aggressive De Gea could be even bigger shocker, though...
 
hes an interesting one - throw the Trent AA numbers away that people try to use as a barometer, because he’s a freak, and last season AWB had a decent amount of goal contributions for a fullback - 2 goals 6 assists. I think it gets overplayed in the hyperbole that he isnt an ‘attacking’ fullback. Hes an excellent one on one defender and tackler.

But he has been awful this season. Shocking pass accuracy, suspect positioning, bad decision making. Those are areas we knew about from his palace days and could probably have coached him on but i dont think we have had coaches that improve players in many years here - I cant think of any players we have improved under any manager post SAF. Martial and Rashford are two that I think would have been at another level by now at some other clubs but are floundering.

going forward he may not be the nailed on starter but he definetely has the potential to be turned into something more than he is. I hope thats the case for lots of our out of form players
Not only do stats not tell the story about level of general play, they are especially worthless when discussing fullbacks. Fullbacks have low goal contributions. If you use their stats to grade them you're going to be brutally misled.
 
Unless I'd going mad but I seem to remember DDG being quite decent with the ball at his feet when his first arrived.
 
Unless I'd going mad but I seem to remember DDG being quite decent with the ball at his feet when his first arrived.
He was good even under LVG then Jose came and told them to avoid first station passes and hoof it under pressure. We, or rather he totally destroyed that aspect of DDG's game. Several of our players have had their developmental phases wasted under two direct managers with barebone attacking playstyles.
 
Not only do stats not tell the story about level of general play, they are especially worthless when discussing fullbacks. Fullbacks have low goal contributions. If you use their stats to grade them you're going to be brutally misled.

i get that. Thats my point, everyone seems to define an ‘attacking’ fullback as someone who throws out TAA assist/goal numbers, but no one does.
 
I really like the idea of re-training McT to be CB for Ten Hag. We need a CB who can play high line and very good at ball distribution for Ten Hag system.

McT also plays CB for Scotland.
 
I really like the idea of re-training McT to be CB for Ten Hag. We need a CB who can play high line and very good at ball distribution for Ten Hag system.

McT also plays CB for Scotland.

I don't think his ball distribution is good ?
 
I think Dalot could flourish as an inverted wingback in Ten Hag's system. Likewise, Lindelof should move ahead of Maguire in the pecking order, on the basis that he can carry the ball out of defence without looking like a giraffe on roller skates.

If we don't sign a keeper, you'd imagine it won't be long before Henderson takes De Gea's place.

I'd also love to see Hannibal and Garner get real game time next year. I reckon both have what it takes to make the next step up quicker than a lot of us are expecting.
 
I'm going to say Maguire.

A possesion based manager. Ronaldo possibly leaving which may lead us back to having a striker that can hold on to possesion back to goal and bring others in to play. This should lead to a lack of losing possesion which stops the speedy counter attacks that can be played against our defenders.
 
Sancho is the obvious answer given he's finally gonna play under a manager that makes good use of the type of player he is.
 
Not player as such, but it will help likes of Bailly, but injuries. Or lack of will be the biggest surprise in my opinion.

Simply because I can see more of a team effort without the panicked running and last minute tackles etc.
 
I've never seen a squad where players are Injured so often, this season, and even more after Ole sack, you give these guys an inch there taking a yard. So to get the best out of these guys needs a better manager first. Maguire could seeing as World cup is later in year!!
Varane needs to stay fit for longer, if he's not then he be bit part player. Shaw has to surprise us. Rashford needs a massive season . New guy in let's see who does that's all we can do.
A new striker is the big one who's hopefully going to surprise us all. That's if they buy one ?
 
AWB, Maguire and one of Rashford/Martial.

I think Sancho, Fred and Varane will all also improve, but that's not exactly going to be suprising. They've been performing well despite the dismal team performances.
 
Not a really good answer, but I think the players who EtH think has a part to play in his plans and players going all in with him will improve. It’s as easy and hard as that. Reports from former players under EtH, even players at the end of their careers, state that they feel better and more motivated under him. They even feel they can take further steps when coached by him.

It might be some surprises tbh. Martial is a good example. The ones I think can improve though is Rashford, McTominay and Ronaldo if he stay.
 
Fred, Lindelöf, van de Beek and Sancho I'd reckon.
 
Maguire, Sancho, Shaw and McT is my guess.

Maguire has shown himself to be a capable ball playing defender for England, Ten Hag will probably get that out of him and some better coaches should sort out some of the issues with his concentration and defending (and taking away the captaincy would be a good idea).

Sancho was phenomenal in the Bundesliga, many levels above what he's showing here. He excelled in the Dortmund system and should be able to do the same with Ten Hag.

Shaw has the technical skills to be a good player, he just doesn't have the anticipation and footballing brain to figure out what to do all on his own, put him in a system where he's trained to be aware of where everyone else is with his eyes closed and have triggers for pressing and when to move up the field, he could look a hell of a lot better. José Mourinho once said that Shaw is great when he used his own body, but Mourinho's brain. I think that might have been an exaggeration, but I think we've seen enough of Shaw to conclude that he has the technical skills on the ball to be able to do the job.

Finally McT is a lot better than people give him credit for, and with a proper manager and coaching staff I think we'll see a lot more from him.
 
I'm torn on Martial. On one hand i feel he could work in a more fluid system but reports are Ten Hag wants a pressing team and Martial will never do that.
 
We'll see a better version of Maguire and Shaw i think, last season and into the world cup, both looked very good and there's still some decent players in there.

I can see Sancho continuing on the path, and i'm positive we'll see the old Rashford return.

I think Garner and Hannibal will both play more and will provide positivity and i expect a surprise inclusion from one of McNeil, Garnacho or Hugill , jury still out on Laird.
 
Wan-Bissaka is still a good player and only 24, had a shocking season but can certainly turn it around.
 
AWB, Shaw, Martial...... yeah, don't be surprised when none of these guys do anything other than have a few decent games and revert to type once the going gets tough.


We've seen enough of them to know what they are like, cannot fathom how people still think they'll somehow come good.
 
Would love to see if he can coach better decision making into Bruno. If he could maintain his goal/assist output, but cut down on the amount of time he loses possession, we would be much better off.

Hopefully he can also improve the likes of Sancho and van de Beek.
 
I'm torn on Martial. On one hand i feel he could work in a more fluid system but reports are Ten Hag wants a pressing team and Martial will never do that.
I’m not sure it just the pressing is the only issue. running off the ball, running in behind, movement to make space for others. These are the things that make it a fluid system and are things that all the players will need to do but we have struggle with for the past number of years on a consistent basis. With more movement we’d have better ball retention, less pressure on the weak midfield and defence.

We sometimes start games doing it but after 15 minutes of not pick out players making runs they just stop and become static. I think movement is also the issue with playing out from the back as the defenders don’t have enough options and just move side to side and into trouble.

Martial can but it’s not natural and will need to be really drilled as when things aren’t going for him he just stops and waits for the ball into feet.

They will probably all look better after a decent preseason of being drilled and hopefully regain some confidence, which seems to be fragile for a lot of them.
 
I’m not sure it just the pressing is the only issue. running off the ball, running in behind, movement to make space for others. These are the things that make it a fluid system and are things that all the players will need to do but we have struggle with for the past number of years on a consistent basis. With more movement we’d have better ball retention, less pressure on the weak midfield and defence.

We sometimes start games doing it but after 15 minutes of not pick out players making runs they just stop and become static. I think movement is also the issue with playing out from the back as the defenders don’t have enough options and just move side to side and into trouble.

Martial can but it’s not natural and will need to be really drilled as when things aren’t going for him he just stops and waits for the ball into feet.

They will probably all look better after a decent preseason of being drilled and hopefully regain some confidence, which seems to be fragile for a lot of them.
Yes off the ball movement will also be key in a system like Ten Hag's and Marital could struggle with that as well. Considering Sevilla's manager recently came out saying he needs to listen to instructions more and work a bit harder it doesn't give me much hope. But he's a player with good technique that could be a decent option for Ten Hag both maybe as a false 9 type or out wide. And with a lack of real quality strikers available this summer he may be given one last chance to knuckle down and get it right here.

I remember someone posted this which confirms what you said about off the ball movement being key for him. He might be in for a shock when he sees this lot in training though.
 
Yes off the ball movement will also be key in a system like Ten Hag's and Marital could struggle with that as well. Considering Sevilla's manager recently came out saying he needs to listen to instructions more and work a bit harder it doesn't give me much hope. But he's a player with good technique that could be a decent option for Ten Hag both maybe as a false 9 type or out wide. And with a lack of real quality strikers available this summer he may be given one last chance to knuckle down and get it right here.

I remember someone posted this which confirms what you said about off the ball movement being key for him. He might be in for a shock when he sees this lot in training though.

When he played as a 9 in 19/20 and I thought at the time he had turned a corner as it wasn’t just scoring goals but his hold up play was pretty good too but he was poor the season after that. He technically has nearly everything but he seems to be missing some things in his mentally that top players have. I was hoping that the loan would reignited him.
I’ve given up hope on him but you’re are right, our hand could be forced and would be delighted if he proved me wrong. I’m excited to see to what Ten Hag can do with him and others as he’s proven to be able to get more out players individually and also for the team to be better than the sum of its parts.
 
McT (Limited player but I think he's got the mentality to progress under EtH)
Rashford (Unfulfilled potential)
Sancho (Think he will work well with the new manager)
 
I really like the idea of re-training McT to be CB for Ten Hag. We need a CB who can play high line and very good at ball distribution for Ten Hag system.

McT also plays CB for Scotland.

He only plays as a CB in a back 3 as that’s the system we (Scotland) use. I’d say he’s adequate at best as a CB when I’ve seen him play there. I wouldn’t trust it as a long term solution though.
 
People saying vdB and Martial....and I like to think I'm an optimist!

Donny van de Beek is one of the most nothing, over-discussed, ineffective PL footballers I have seen.
 
Maybe AWB, seems like a player that could benefit from a lot of coaching instructions and strong guidance. We've seen him look pretty adept at intricate play and nice crosses sometimes but then mostly looking nervous or unsure.

For me, he just doesn't look confident, so instead of crossing it he looks for the easy pass. Meanwhile we see a player like TAA getting assist after assist because he puts it into the box early with players like Salah and Mane making runs as soon as they see he has the ball...
 
If we sign a DM, I can see McTominay and Fred stepping up a level.

If we use Henderson over De Gea, I can see Maguire looking miles better.

If we bring back Donny, I can see him and Sancho forming an excellent partnership.
 
what's the thoughts on Lindelof, Maguire and Varane under Ten Hag?

I think he will love Lindelof

I wonder how he will view Maguire, even a decent form Maguire
 
I don't see Lindelof doing well under Ten Hag. His defenders are usually very aggressive and good 1-1 defenders which Lindelof isn't. He'll love Varane though.
I second this, I don't think Lindelof will do well under ETH, as much as I like Lindelof.

In regards to Lindelof, I don't understand why he doesn't bulk up a bit and become more aggressive.