He's better in that box to box role as seen by fleeting moments against Leeds & City
Which player do you dislike the most?
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He's better in that box to box role as seen by fleeting moments against Leeds & City
He's undermined the manager on social media, posted pictures of himself in another clubs jersey even though his loan was over. He's acted very unprofessional. I get that he isn't happy but it's not ok to act like he does.
Trouble was Ole never let it be known to him behaviour like that wasn't acceptable
Yeah maybe. I liked Lingard until he started acting up, it's just sad.
Let's face it he let the majority of them roughshot and it got billed as a cultural reboot, however now we are paying for it
Pogba.
I never wanted him back. If he loved the club, he would never have left in the first place.
The whole Paul Pogba experiment has been a massive mistake.
I never wanted him back. If he loved the club, he would never have left in the first place.
The whole Paul Pogba experiment has been a massive mistake.
Maguire. He even scored own goals in my computer game.
We did an Arsenal, but unlike Arsenal who kept a decent wage structure, we messed it up by overhyping them and giving big contracts.
I am very annoyed at the likes of Rashford, Fernandes, Maguire and Ronaldo.
There attitudes stink and all they seek to do, is constantly bitch and moan.
There attitudes stink and all they seek to do, is constantly bitch and moan.
HendersonRest of the team XI
Dalot - Varane - Lindelof - Telles
Fred - Matic
Mata
Elanga - Cavani - Sancho
Yes sadly most of our top players are grade A wankers. Never thought it would happen but Bruno has been doing my head in for well over a year now. His big game routine of playing shite and then winding himself up only to play even more shite is maddening to watch.
Varane. He was made look good in other teams by quality around him. For us when exposed he is no better than Maguire and lindelöf. The wages we are paying him and Ronaldo are just so stupid.
What an awful window we had. Sancho still has promise, but we spent too much on him too.
What an awful window we had. Sancho still has promise, but we spent too much on him too.
Pogba, Martial and Lingard.
They set the tone. The fact that they allowed their agents and families bash the club and didn't defend the club or disconnect from their agents speaks volumes. We all know players play for their careers, but Pogba made it such a public thing. That public display of disociatting with the club is something I always found unforgivable and is part of the reason the rest of the club gets drawn in with not caring.
Martial represents two things for me.
a. How much people overrate certain technical abilities
b. How our fans blame everyone else for certain players failures ( particular the ones who were younger)
The idea of them becoming world class ballon d'or players was always delusional and something some of these players never actually showed. Yet the level of loyalty that our fans had to someone who couldn't be bothered to improve himself, like Martial, was so baffling. He represents one of the issues we have had over the years, not holding players accountable for sustained bad performances. both from the club and the fans.
As for Lingard, he represents how the club's standards have fallen in regard to letting players with poor attitudes and ability go. He's a player with a brand who was never good enough to start for United but acted like he was. Despite knowing this, we let him stay here to the point where he started poisoning the bench. A lot of players would never be at a club the size of man utd, the fact that despite this they can't just keep their head down and appreciate the opportunity is quite annoying. Lingard represents that.
They set the tone. The fact that they allowed their agents and families bash the club and didn't defend the club or disconnect from their agents speaks volumes. We all know players play for their careers, but Pogba made it such a public thing. That public display of disociatting with the club is something I always found unforgivable and is part of the reason the rest of the club gets drawn in with not caring.
Martial represents two things for me.
a. How much people overrate certain technical abilities
b. How our fans blame everyone else for certain players failures ( particular the ones who were younger)
The idea of them becoming world class ballon d'or players was always delusional and something some of these players never actually showed. Yet the level of loyalty that our fans had to someone who couldn't be bothered to improve himself, like Martial, was so baffling. He represents one of the issues we have had over the years, not holding players accountable for sustained bad performances. both from the club and the fans.
As for Lingard, he represents how the club's standards have fallen in regard to letting players with poor attitudes and ability go. He's a player with a brand who was never good enough to start for United but acted like he was. Despite knowing this, we let him stay here to the point where he started poisoning the bench. A lot of players would never be at a club the size of man utd, the fact that despite this they can't just keep their head down and appreciate the opportunity is quite annoying. Lingard represents that.
Exactly my view.
For someone who has such riches of talent, he is nothing more than a poser.
0. Greenwood
1. Rashford
2. Lingard
3. Maguire
4. Wan Bissaka
5. Martial
6. Pogba
Bunch of big time charlies who really think they have made it while stinking the shit out of the club with their performances and their off field antics. How we ended up with so much unlikeable bunch is astounding and whoever assembled them deserve knighthood
1. Rashford
2. Lingard
3. Maguire
4. Wan Bissaka
5. Martial
6. Pogba
Bunch of big time charlies who really think they have made it while stinking the shit out of the club with their performances and their off field antics. How we ended up with so much unlikeable bunch is astounding and whoever assembled them deserve knighthood
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Same here. I'm trying to think of another centerback/captain that inspired even less confidence than he does and I can't come up with one.
Pogba and Lingard.
Maguire and Lingard
Cristiano, Lingard and McTominay.
You're going to get some strange responses in this thread....I think people conflate 'players they rate' with 'players that are likeable'.
I'll give you a few examples...
Cavani
Generally liked by the caf, despite barely having strung two consecutive games together for us and somehow always being available for Uruguay. Has made no secret of his desire to leave and the fact that he doesn't like living in England.
RedCafe verdict - good lad
Pogba
A handful of genuinely good performances in about six years at the club. Called a 'virus' by Jose Mourinho. Posted gloating Tweet after Jose was sacked, which read "you messed with the wrong baller". Then proceeded to try really hard for about 5/6 games, probably the only time in his United career I have seen genuine desire. Regularly flirts with other clubs via his parasitic agent, who SAF openly hated. Lest we forget, Pogba has already been booted out of the club once for demanding a bigger contract and more playing time as a teenager. More TikToks and hairstyles than goals or assists. Will probably leave for a second time on a free. Clears off to Dubai with a mystery injury twice a season.
RedCafe verdict - talented and misunderstood
Ronaldo
Throws huge tantrums whenever dropped or left out. Refused to attend the Derby after being left out of the XI. Ridiculously petulant behaviour on the field towards opponents and team-mates. Demands to take all free-kicks, despite not having cleared the wall in about a decade. Has taken penalties off Bruno, who had a near-perfect record. Appalling behaviour at Goodison Park recently, whichever way you look at it.
RedCafe verdict - untouchable
David de Gea
Constantly bleating after games about how poor we are, despite being part of this side (and part of the problem) for the last decade. Tried to leave, only a dodgy fax machine prevented him going to Real Madrid. On insane wages, which he held the club to ransom for in our weakest moment. Probably our only player who I would describe as actively 'scared' i.e. I can point to numerous occasions he has failed to prevent a goal because he's scared of getting hurt. Somehow gets credited with 'having a good season' because every routine save he makes is fawned over. Puts his team-mates under huge pressure by refusing to leave his line and looking after himself in the process. The worst GK with the ball at his feet in the league, can barely even pick out the pitch, let alone a team-mate.
RedCafe verdict - player of the year
On the flip-side we have.....
Harry Maguire
Chose to join the club despite having other offers, makes himself available every single week, even when injured. Puts his body on the line every single game. Has generally been a very solid performer but takes dogs abuse from his own fans who don't understand what they are watching and parrot what they read on Twitter. Praised by team-mates at domestic and international level for his leadership, yet the caf experts criticise his captaincy, despite having no insight into the dynamics of the United changing room. Plus, Maguire didn't choose to be captain, he was given the role because he was the best option at the time. Even our own interim manager has recently had to come out and say he doesn't understand the abuse. We have a 25% win-rate without Maguire over his three seasons at the club, yet people clamour for him to be dropped constantly. This never happens of course, because actual football people (i.e. professional managers/coaches) know what a good player he is.
RedCafe verdict - useless donkey who wouldn't get a game in the Championship, should be stripped of the captaincy (for reasons I can't even guess at)
Luke Shaw
I don't really understand what Luke Shaw has ever supposed to have done wrong. Horrific injury as a teenager that would have ended most players at the top level, has recovered to be one of the best LBs in the game. Has been one of the few outfield players to win our PotS award, post SAF. Recalled to the England squad in the last couple of seasons and has cemented his place with excellent performances at the European Championships, praised unanimously across the World by fans and pundits. Seemingly just gets flak because we're not very good and has been an ever-present during our years in the wilderness.
RedCafe verdict - lazy fat waster
Scott McTominay
From what I can gather, people dislike McTominay because he's not Paul Scholes or Andrea Pirlo. Clearly not a world-class player, but how anybody can ever criticise his attitude or commitment is beyond me.
RedCafe verdict - awful player who should be bombed out of the club ASAP
AWB
Again, seems to be 'disliked' because some people don't rate him. Another player who suffers from the 'social media effect' whereby a generally good and solid player has been hammered by know-nothings on the Internet until the general consensus is that he's useless/lazy/weak etc...
Clearly not a world-class right back, but should he be 'disliked'? I'd say definitely not. Has never, ever done anything that would cause anybody to have cause to dislike him.
RedCafe verdict - awful player who should be bombed out of the club ASAP
I could go on....but just feels like this place has it all wrong at times. The players that seem to be defended or worshipped on here are the players I'd be desperate to get rid of, and vice-versa.
I'll give you a few examples...
Cavani
Generally liked by the caf, despite barely having strung two consecutive games together for us and somehow always being available for Uruguay. Has made no secret of his desire to leave and the fact that he doesn't like living in England.
RedCafe verdict - good lad
Pogba
A handful of genuinely good performances in about six years at the club. Called a 'virus' by Jose Mourinho. Posted gloating Tweet after Jose was sacked, which read "you messed with the wrong baller". Then proceeded to try really hard for about 5/6 games, probably the only time in his United career I have seen genuine desire. Regularly flirts with other clubs via his parasitic agent, who SAF openly hated. Lest we forget, Pogba has already been booted out of the club once for demanding a bigger contract and more playing time as a teenager. More TikToks and hairstyles than goals or assists. Will probably leave for a second time on a free. Clears off to Dubai with a mystery injury twice a season.
RedCafe verdict - talented and misunderstood
Ronaldo
Throws huge tantrums whenever dropped or left out. Refused to attend the Derby after being left out of the XI. Ridiculously petulant behaviour on the field towards opponents and team-mates. Demands to take all free-kicks, despite not having cleared the wall in about a decade. Has taken penalties off Bruno, who had a near-perfect record. Appalling behaviour at Goodison Park recently, whichever way you look at it.
RedCafe verdict - untouchable
David de Gea
Constantly bleating after games about how poor we are, despite being part of this side (and part of the problem) for the last decade. Tried to leave, only a dodgy fax machine prevented him going to Real Madrid. On insane wages, which he held the club to ransom for in our weakest moment. Probably our only player who I would describe as actively 'scared' i.e. I can point to numerous occasions he has failed to prevent a goal because he's scared of getting hurt. Somehow gets credited with 'having a good season' because every routine save he makes is fawned over. Puts his team-mates under huge pressure by refusing to leave his line and looking after himself in the process. The worst GK with the ball at his feet in the league, can barely even pick out the pitch, let alone a team-mate.
RedCafe verdict - player of the year
On the flip-side we have.....
Harry Maguire
Chose to join the club despite having other offers, makes himself available every single week, even when injured. Puts his body on the line every single game. Has generally been a very solid performer but takes dogs abuse from his own fans who don't understand what they are watching and parrot what they read on Twitter. Praised by team-mates at domestic and international level for his leadership, yet the caf experts criticise his captaincy, despite having no insight into the dynamics of the United changing room. Plus, Maguire didn't choose to be captain, he was given the role because he was the best option at the time. Even our own interim manager has recently had to come out and say he doesn't understand the abuse. We have a 25% win-rate without Maguire over his three seasons at the club, yet people clamour for him to be dropped constantly. This never happens of course, because actual football people (i.e. professional managers/coaches) know what a good player he is.
RedCafe verdict - useless donkey who wouldn't get a game in the Championship, should be stripped of the captaincy (for reasons I can't even guess at)
Luke Shaw
I don't really understand what Luke Shaw has ever supposed to have done wrong. Horrific injury as a teenager that would have ended most players at the top level, has recovered to be one of the best LBs in the game. Has been one of the few outfield players to win our PotS award, post SAF. Recalled to the England squad in the last couple of seasons and has cemented his place with excellent performances at the European Championships, praised unanimously across the World by fans and pundits. Seemingly just gets flak because we're not very good and has been an ever-present during our years in the wilderness.
RedCafe verdict - lazy fat waster
Scott McTominay
From what I can gather, people dislike McTominay because he's not Paul Scholes or Andrea Pirlo. Clearly not a world-class player, but how anybody can ever criticise his attitude or commitment is beyond me.
RedCafe verdict - awful player who should be bombed out of the club ASAP
AWB
Again, seems to be 'disliked' because some people don't rate him. Another player who suffers from the 'social media effect' whereby a generally good and solid player has been hammered by know-nothings on the Internet until the general consensus is that he's useless/lazy/weak etc...
Clearly not a world-class right back, but should he be 'disliked'? I'd say definitely not. Has never, ever done anything that would cause anybody to have cause to dislike him.
RedCafe verdict - awful player who should be bombed out of the club ASAP
I could go on....but just feels like this place has it all wrong at times. The players that seem to be defended or worshipped on here are the players I'd be desperate to get rid of, and vice-versa.
1. Greenwood - Obvious reasons
2. Martial - Such a punchable face. Moping around like playing football and being a millionaire is such a chore.
3. Lingard - All the stupid dancing / social media stuff when he's achieved nothing and was awful for so long before going to West Ham.
4. Wan Bissaka - Also has the punchable face thing. Honestly think he's more interested in making slide tackles when sometimes he could just control the ball.
5. Maguire / Pogba / Rashford - Rashford is the worst to watch but he's clearly a good guy. The other two are now painful to watch too and Pogba clearly doesn't want to be there, even though I love him as a player.
2. Martial - Such a punchable face. Moping around like playing football and being a millionaire is such a chore.
3. Lingard - All the stupid dancing / social media stuff when he's achieved nothing and was awful for so long before going to West Ham.
4. Wan Bissaka - Also has the punchable face thing. Honestly think he's more interested in making slide tackles when sometimes he could just control the ball.
5. Maguire / Pogba / Rashford - Rashford is the worst to watch but he's clearly a good guy. The other two are now painful to watch too and Pogba clearly doesn't want to be there, even though I love him as a player.
Same list with me. For the bolded part, cant do that when his control on the ball is as good as his driving skills.
Every team needs a water carrier. He's not that good and not that bad. Our problem is the opposite kind of player. Building around a superstar is no longer workable at the top level unless you have prime Messi - and yet we have Ronaldo, Bruno and Pogba all wanting to be that guy.
Players who don't make an effort. Rashford, Pogba, AWB, Martial.
Maguire for not being the leader while being Captain. McTominay, I don't dislike him because he always puts an effort. Even hiding is an effort. He simply is not good enough. Ronaldo and Bruno try.
Cavani I don't like him anymore because he is never available to play for United but always available for his country.
Maguire for not being the leader while being Captain. McTominay, I don't dislike him because he always puts an effort. Even hiding is an effort. He simply is not good enough. Ronaldo and Bruno try.
Cavani I don't like him anymore because he is never available to play for United but always available for his country.
Yeah. I know that it's easy to act wise after the event, but I REALLY didn't want to see Paul Pogba back.
This was a guy, who sat in a room with the greatest manager of all time, who asked him to reconsider leaving... but left anyway.
He has no love for the club and he clearly doesn't have any for SAF.
Pogba has been a £200m hole. (A £200m a-hole)
Maybe that was the biggest mistake, giving theese massive contracts to our academy players.
The money reported we give them is crazy.
What interview? I'm also sympathetic about his injuries but this might change my opinion.
Martial - So much talent and does absolutely nothing. Barely even jogs anymore
There's some there i agree with and some i don't but this post comes across very "i hate all the foreign players in the squad" and "the brits are misunderstood and the good guys". Is there any foreign player in the squad you actually like and any british player you dislike? I'm not accusing you of anything just curious and yes i do agree some of the vitriol towards the british contingent can be over the top sometimes.
My point hasn't got anything to do with nationality, I call it as I see it and for me it's about double-standards.
We're talking about players who are "disliked", it seems to me if we ran a poll, the likes of Maguire and Shaw would be bang up there...I can't fathon why?
Be honest for a second...what would the reaction be if Maguire slapped a phone out of a kids hand? Or didn't turn up to the Derby after being left out? This place would melt down. What would the reaction be if Shaw's agent came out twice a year every year flirting with other clubs? Or posting about Rangnick "messing with the wrong baller" on Twitter. Or getting "injured" every Winter and spending a month in Dubai? What would happen if Scott McTominay said he didn't like Manchester and wanted to leave? Then played for Scotland consistently whilst being "injured" for United?
Say what you like about the footballing ability of the lads I named, but what have any of them ever done to deserve actual hate?
All of them are nearly always available, Maguire, Shaw and McTominay are often made to front up to the cameras after the game, they all give 100% every game, don't create drama...but seemingly get most of the stick on here
That is terrible enough.
But added to that is the clear corrosive attitude he has and brings to the dressing room. I don't trust him at all and neither does any of his managers here.
£200m and how many games since he has been back has he actually performed well enough to possibly justify his wages let alone the rest of the waste of money.
I enjoyed reading this post. Well played sir
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Yes i agree if Maguire did what Ronaldo has done then there would a bigger reaction for two reasons. One is he is captain and weather he like it or not he is the face of this football club so he's always going to get more flak. It's not his fault United paid £80 million for him and it's not his fault he was immediately given the captaincy. I don't blame him for taking it either because if your offered something like that you don't turn it down, but i don't think he should have offered it in the first place. And second is i'm guessing Ronaldo has more leeway with a lot of people considering what he's done here previously and even though he's not been great this season, he's still returned a good number of goals.
Going through the names you mentioned i agree i'd rather have an average player who gives his all than a talented player with no desire. Like with Maguire and the captaincy it's not their fault United paid these fees for them and again you don't turn United down if they come calling. I can accept losing a game if i know every player gave their all but i can't accept players not trying. But it's also necessary for some of these to be moved on if we want to get back to the top.
Cavani i agree with the frustration of never being available and then being fit for Uruguay. But when he does play he puts in a very good shift for the team so i'm split on him.
Pogba again i agree with the frustration and dislike. He's got so much talent but he's never looked like he cared that much so i won't miss him if he does leave this summer.
Ronaldo is untouchable because he's fecking Ronaldo. There has been a lot of times he hasn't turned up or shown shoddy behavior but i would like to see him under Ten Hag if he wants to keep him.
De Gea you say constantly runs his mouth on how poor we are and is part of the problem. But i think he cares a lot and isn't afraid to be honest and there has been games where he has cost us but there has been games where he has saved us. If Ten Hag wants a goalkeeper who's better with his feet though i'll accept him being dropped or leaving.
Magurie didn't have other offers, City might of been interested but i don't think they made an offer. Again as i said he's captain so right now he's seen as the face of a lot of our problems. Is it fair maybe not but it is what it is. I do think he's feeling the pressure of being captain and maybe removing it from him for the time being might do him some good and get some of his earlier form back.
Shaw has done both of what Pogba and De Gea have done so don't do double standards. He's criticized us in interviews like De Gea and has made comments about being happier on international duty like Pogba has, just because you don't like De Gea or Pogba doesn't give Shaw a free pass. He's been here a long time now and has been average for most of it, he was excellent last season and rightly got praise but hasn't been the same this season.
Mctominay i agree can't fault his commitment and desire. I'm torn on if we need him long term, some games like the Leeds one i see someone who can be good but also other games where i don't think he's good enough.
Wan Bissaka again can't help the price tag and can't turn United down. Excellent tackler but too limited to be here if we want to get better but no i don't dislike him.
So no i don't dislike any player not good enough because that's not their fault but i can understand some peoples frustrations seeing how far we've fallen seeing some of these players. But that's more the previous managers and recruitment's fault for signing them in the first place so that's where i place most of the dislike.
Just one?? God there are so many in this team its unbelievable
Grant - What was the point of ever signing him - unless he is earning £2k tops a week hes a waste of a space that could go to a younger player
Henderson - cries all the time, thinks hes Manuel Neuer or something, hes not so either fight for your spot or go be Brentfords first team keeper
Maguire - undisputedly the worst signing in terms of value and ability ever. You don't get relegated as many times as he has and be worth what was paid. Least inspirational captain in history too!
Shaw - Loved his turn around last year after years of being a pasty loving waster, but back to pasty loving waster when things don't go his way
AWB - must of been approved by same scout who recommended paying over the odds for Maguire, not even average. He has one single attribute, a sliding tackle...not worth £5 let alone £50m
McTom - I shouldn't dislike him because he does try, but he is a poor mans Tom Cleverley - not even Championship level player
Pogba - Utter Fraud of a player, has the ability to be a world beater but over powered by his attitude, which is up there with the worst in the professional game
Sancho - This boy is the hattrick for the scout who recommended Maguire and AWB, decent skills but about £70m over paid for him - 2 years before he is shipped off to West Ham for £10m
Rashford - Limited player, was carried by hype, determination and graft - what carried him has now left
Martial - Must be a member of the Pogba family, again decent ability but an attitude thats languishing in the gutter
Matic - 3 years passed when he should of been offloaded, legs like sandbags
Mata - 5 years past when he should of been offloaded, nice guy - potential future waiter in the corporate boxes?
Lingard - whole career past when he should of been offloaded, 3 spectacular games in his career over shadowed by 300 crap ones and a wanna be rapper/chav icon
Grant - What was the point of ever signing him - unless he is earning £2k tops a week hes a waste of a space that could go to a younger player
Henderson - cries all the time, thinks hes Manuel Neuer or something, hes not so either fight for your spot or go be Brentfords first team keeper
Maguire - undisputedly the worst signing in terms of value and ability ever. You don't get relegated as many times as he has and be worth what was paid. Least inspirational captain in history too!
Shaw - Loved his turn around last year after years of being a pasty loving waster, but back to pasty loving waster when things don't go his way
AWB - must of been approved by same scout who recommended paying over the odds for Maguire, not even average. He has one single attribute, a sliding tackle...not worth £5 let alone £50m
McTom - I shouldn't dislike him because he does try, but he is a poor mans Tom Cleverley - not even Championship level player
Pogba - Utter Fraud of a player, has the ability to be a world beater but over powered by his attitude, which is up there with the worst in the professional game
Sancho - This boy is the hattrick for the scout who recommended Maguire and AWB, decent skills but about £70m over paid for him - 2 years before he is shipped off to West Ham for £10m
Rashford - Limited player, was carried by hype, determination and graft - what carried him has now left
Martial - Must be a member of the Pogba family, again decent ability but an attitude thats languishing in the gutter
Matic - 3 years passed when he should of been offloaded, legs like sandbags
Mata - 5 years past when he should of been offloaded, nice guy - potential future waiter in the corporate boxes?
Lingard - whole career past when he should of been offloaded, 3 spectacular games in his career over shadowed by 300 crap ones and a wanna be rapper/chav icon
None.
I'm gonna bump this thing, 'cause there have been so many of these threads already.
I "disliked", feck it, I hated:
I "disliked", feck it, I hated:
- John Terry (I liked Lampard)
- Jamie Carragher (I liked Gerrard)
- Sergio Ramos (I liked Zidane)
- Oliver Kahn (I liked Babbel)
- Jesse Lingard (I liked Januzaj)
- Alan Smith (I liked everyone else)
- David Seaman (I liked Henry)
- Gary Neville (Call me crazy. I liked everyone else [not Nicky Butt], but he irritated me)
I was never a fan of Nicky Butt either, I was all for the John O'Shea and other squad types, I just felt Butt wasnt at the same level as his team mates and could recall him giving away frustrating fouls/ peno's in champions leagues games as he wasnt up to the technical ability/ pace of the game.
Butt was miles better than O’Shea ?