Which of your toys will you throw out the pram if Sancho, Antony and Rashford return to United?

Jev said:
I’d take them all back. We have no attacking players and no money to buy better than these three. All three would walk into our starting lineup at the moment.
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Sancho wouldn't walk into Wrexham's starting eleven to be honest.

But yeah, you're talking complete bollocks there.
 
Grylte said:
I'd still like to see Antony be given a proper run as LWB, if we don't buy a new one this summer.
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We’ve just bought 2 x actual LWB’s, not sure we need to waste minutes trying to manufacture another - especially when the two we’ve just bought have the physical attributes Antony lacks.
 
Stobzilla said:
Chelsea are toying with the idea of paying the penalty clause, which one would assume is slightly higher than the transfer fee in order to not be stuck with him and his wages for 5 years.
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chris123 said:
To be honest, I don't even think this would be that bad of a scenario? Making more than a transfer fee, not to sell him, and then potentially selling him on to a place like Dortmund at a significantly reduced fee, with maybe a small portion of the wages covered, would be fine.
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I'd be very surprised though if the penalty clause was anything close to the £20-25m transfer fee.

I can't imagine with the tricky position we've been in with these deals - even having to loan them without a loan fee and often covering some of the wages, so in effect still paying for the player to play elsewhere - that we'd be able to negotiate such a good clause should Chelsea opt not to go for him. And I can't imagine they'd agree to such an awful deal on their end.

I'd much more imagine it to be single figures, say £5m or so, rather than £20m+.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
I'd be very surprised though if the penalty clause was anything close to the £20-25m transfer fee.

I can't imagine with the tricky position we've been in with these deals - even having to loan them without a loan fee and often covering some of the wages, so in effect still paying for the player to play elsewhere - that we'd be able to negotiate such a good clause should Chelsea opt not to go for him. And I can't imagine they'd agree to such an awful deal on their end.

I'd much more imagine it to be single figures, say £5m or so, rather than £20m+.
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That's not really an obligation to buy then, if you can pay 5-10M to get out of it. TBH if I had to guess, I think this is mass hysteria prompted by a couple of journalists, and Chelsea will just end up paying the fee.
 
Zed 101 said:
If Rashford came back he would have nowhere to hide given how he has played at Villa, would rather he left but would not be devastated if he came back, but would probably see he loaned out again by January.

Antony would be a squad player, the disappointment would be with both Antony and Rashford that we would not have the money from their sales.

Sancho can just do one, no way he ever pulls on a Utd shirt again, he should not even get to poison the reserves, Chelsea have to offer him a contract, doesn't have to be reasonable, whether he wants to take a pay cut or sit in the reserves is up to him... he should go to Italy might do okay there

People say that Antony is the worst ever Utd signing, I would argue that Sancho is by a mile, given the wages he is on and his attitude, Antony may not have been good enough but he tried a heck of a lot more than Sancho ever did
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Ratcliffe keeps going on about saving money so he should get these 3 off our books. We'll take a loss on Sancho and Antony but will no longer have to pay their wages. If we cant sell Rashford because of his exhorbitant wages we should let him go on a "free" and be rid of him.
 
I have no issue with Rashford coming back, could even stretch to giving Antony a 2nd chance

But Sancho can feck right off
 
chris123 said:
That's not really an obligation to buy then, if you can pay 5-10M to get out of it. TBH if I had to guess, I think this is mass hysteria prompted by a couple of journalists, and Chelsea will just end up paying the fee.
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That’s exactly the point. Agreeing to a breakup clause in a contract that is the same as the transfer price would be like a rich person agreeing to a pre-nup that gives their partner 100% of their wealth.

Breakup clauses are a small fraction of the agreed price. They’re certainly not more than the agreed price as I’ve seen suggested on here. How would it be in Chelsea’s interests to agree to such a deal?
 
Daydreamer said:
That’s exactly the point. Agreeing to a breakup clause in a contract that is the same as the transfer price would be like a rich person agreeing to a pre-nup that gives their partner 100% of their wealth.

Breakup clauses are a small fraction of the agreed price. They’re certainly not more than the agreed price as I’ve seen suggested on here. How would it be in Chelsea’s interests to agree to such a deal?
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Yeah, that's how I see it.

Added to that, as I said, we've been in a weak negotiating position with all these out of favour players on huge wages. And have had to loan them out without a loan fee and often even covering the wages.

I really can't see us negotiating such a fantastic break up clause for us and such an awful one for Chelsea.
 
Rashford I wouldn’t mind too much.

Antony needs to go, proven that England isn’t for him.

Sancho has done feck all for Utd. I’d be fuming. He’s shit.
 
chris123 said:
That's not really an obligation to buy then, if you can pay 5-10M to get out of it. TBH if I had to guess, I think this is mass hysteria prompted by a couple of journalists, and Chelsea will just end up paying the fee.
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I totally agree. An obligation to buy is an obligation to buy not an option with clauses.

These obligation to buy deals surely work both ways for the positive and negative .

Let’s say that Sancho did a Dembele and scored 20+ goals between January and now. His valuation has now gone from the agreed £25 million to £50 million. We’d just have to stomach that and sell at the agreed fee surely? We’d couldn’t break the deal just because he’s become the most productive player in Europe
 
Garethw said:
I totally agree. An obligation to buy is an obligation to buy not an option with clauses.

These obligation to buy deals surely work both ways for the positive and negative .

Let’s say that Sancho did a Dembele and scored 20+ goals between January and now. His valuation has now gone from the agreed £25 million to £50 million. We’d just have to stomach that and sell at the agreed fee surely? We’d couldn’t break the deal just because he’s become the most productive player in Europe
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That’s the entire point of a breakup clause. Once again, it’s like a prenup. You’re obligated to stay together “until death”. If one party wants to unilaterally break that obligation, they have to pay to do so.

But the amount specified in the clause will never equal or exceed the total value of the deal - that would be nonsensical.
 
Absolutely no way Sancho plays for us again. Hearing how Ruben has spoken about Mount you can see how much he values a players mentality and Sancho’s the polar opposite to what Ruben wants.

Very curious to know the details of this clause with Chelsea are and what the penalty would be. If they have to pay us £15m for example to not sign him that would be a real low point for Jadon who was giving it the big’un a few months ago when he had two good games for Chelsea.
 
We and Rashford need to part ways for everyone's sake. I don't have any ill will towards him. If he can find a club abroad who'll have him, I wish him every success.

Antony should be easy enough to sell given a solid performance abroad and not mental wages. Ill suited to the PL so will be happy to see him go, hopefully for £25 or so if he keeps scoring and assisting until the end of the season.

Sancho, don't let him back in the building. If Chelsea wriggle out of keeping him, find another loan for him. Or just tell him to stay home. Toxic waste of talent.
 
I don't care who comes back they are United players and i'd support them.

I'd like to get rid of fans who keep calling players toxic though as the only toxic people at United are those fans.
 
Daydreamer said:
That’s exactly the point. Agreeing to a breakup clause in a contract that is the same as the transfer price would be like a rich person agreeing to a pre-nup that gives their partner 100% of their wealth.

Breakup clauses are a small fraction of the agreed price. They’re certainly not more than the agreed price as I’ve seen suggested on here. How would it be in Chelsea’s interests to agree to such a deal?
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Well it would get out of having to pay the player's wages for 5 years, which would contribute significantly to their PSR.

Either way, Sancho starting today bodes well that he is still in the manager's plans. Mudryk for example, has been completely shut out at this point.
 
chris123 said:
Well it would get out of having to pay the player's wages for 5 years, which would contribute significantly to their PSR.

Either way, Sancho starting today bodes well that he is still in the manager's plans. Mudryk for example, has been completely shut out at this point.
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That's because he's been provisionally suspended for failing a drugs test.
 
Antony seems to have found success in Spain, so we might be able to get a decent fee for him. I think he is probably worth a lot more to United that way than having him in the squad.
Rashford is a similar story. I think we should be able to get a fee for him, considering what he has shown for Villa.
Sancho is more of a question mark. Doesn't seem like Chelsea want him, and I have zero hopes he will be successful here. Maybe we end up being stuck with him.

Getting transfer fees for 2/3 would be decent, I guess.
 
Rashford and Antony can come back if they perform like they are.

Sancho is the one which would piss me off, even Chelsea don't want him
 
Jev said:
I’d take them all back. We have no attacking players and no money to buy better than these three. All three would walk into our starting lineup at the moment.
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The problem is it's not a question of quality with 2 of them, it's a question of attitude.

Rashy for some reason hasn't looked like enjoying it or even putting the hard yards in, despite a few good seasons.
Sancho has neither put the effort in or had a good season,

Antony at least puts the effort in but everyone could see from day 1 he was severely limited for this level, despite a few early bangers giving a false impression.
 
Antony is probably the only one we have a chance of getting any decent offers for. He is young, shows good attitude and some talent, and is not on obscene wages. Well, can hope Chelsea decides to keep Sancho.
Rashford we will probably have to loan out again paying a large chunk of his wages.
Not expecting any of them to be here when the season starts
 
lsd said:
I don't care who comes back they are United players and i'd support them.

I'd like to get rid of fans who keep calling players toxic though as the only toxic people at United are those fans.
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I mean that’s objectively not true.

Have you ever been in a dressing room when one of the players is a complete twat who doesn’t turn up on time for training and pisses about when he gets there? It annoys the feck out of everyone. Now, that’s bad enough at amateur level….now imagine that fecker is paid substantially more than you.

It’s no wonder we want the likes of Sancho gone at all costs
 
Don't want any of them back, we all know Rashy and Sancho will revert to lacklustre, and Antony is just not good enough
 
Anthony being sold is best for both parties as he is now in a league that actually suits his game.

I believe Chelsea have an obligation to keep Sancho and it's only the fee which is yet to be decided based on league position?

As for Rashford I'm still undecided, on his day he is still currently our second best attacking player behind Bruno, but is no good to anybody when as unmotivated as he has been lately here. Therefore if Villa pay 40 mil for him then he may be better off as their problem because once he is officially a Villa player, I suspect much like Sancho in respect to Chelsea but to a lesser respect, you will see the same drop off in motivation in his game.

Sadly both are very bad with self motivation and require external factors to give them a kick up the backside which seems to be short lived in both cases.
 
chris123 said:
Well it would get out of having to pay the player's wages for 5 years, which would contribute significantly to their PSR.

Either way, Sancho starting today bodes well that he is still in the manager's plans. Mudryk for example, has been completely shut out at this point.
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Mudryk is banned for drugs.
 
Of the three I didn't expect Antony to be the one to impress the most out on loan. Don't Chelsea have an obligation to buy Sancho?
 
How do people club rashford and antony to sancho. Rashford for all his flaws gives more than Sancho and same with Antony.

Would rather all three are sold but Sancho should not be welcomed back.
 
I'd be fine with Antony returning if the the club feels that the offers we receive aren't high enough to buy a better back up player.

It is hard for me not to still hold something of a soft spot for Rashford because he's a player who's scored loads of really good goals in a period where we haven't had much to be excited about. With that said I think that it's a bit too far gone so I wouldn't like it if he came back.

I'd be absolutely miserable if Sancho came back.
 
I wish Rashford and Antony get permanent roles at Villa and Betis. They're both happy at those clubs and performing well, that's all one can ask for a United player.

Sancho coming back would be depressing as hell when we're just starting to build some positive morale.
 
Difficult to imagine any of the 3 back at the club. Antony is giving a good account of himself and is just showing us that the premier league was the wrong league for him.

Rashford - if his wages was <200k, I don't have issues with him being at the club. Having said that, i think Amorim really dislikes him so think there is no chance he is back.

Sancho - waste of time. Should ship him out to Germany or Saudi if Chelsea send him back.
 
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