Which Bilbao player?

[red thru&thru]

My source? Well that is my experience of following man united since 1992. SAF will always look at players who will improve his team & the players who have played really well against his teams he takes note and would like him in his.

Of course none of us have an actual source with credibility attached to the club, even if we did no one would believe them on here, but you can just say it's a hunch on my behalf!!!

 

[marjen]

Do you think he'd work in a midfield four?

He's a typical box-to-box player. Similar to Cleverley in style, possibly. I think he'd be just what we need.

Have never seen him play right wing as you say.

 

[Transfer United Till I Die]

He's a typical box-to-box player. Similar to Cleverley in style, possibly. I think he'd be just what we need.

Have never seen him play right wing as you say.

Fair play. I'll bow to your superior knowledge.

 

[apotheosis]

My source? Well that is my experience of following man united since 1992. SAF will always look at players who will improve his team & the players who have played really well against his teams he takes note and would like him in his.

Of course none of us have an actual source with credibility attached to the club, even if we did no one would believe them on here, but you can just say it's a hunch on my behalf!!!

So to sum up, it's not definite we will sign anyone from Bilbao after all! In fact it is more a wild stab in the dark based on the fact Bilbao played well against us in the EL.

Based on that logic, and of course my experience of watching Utd since 1977, i proclaim we will definitely sign Victor Moses and the rest of the Wigan midfield this summer!

 

[davisjw]

I doubt we sign any of them. What incentive do they have? All those players are die-hard Bilbao fans, none are mercenaries. They beat us, they are doing great in the league, and all of them will want to upstage Real and Barca. If they stick together and with a bit more resources, they can make a big dent in the gap between them and the other two.

I think we're in Wonderland if we think it'll be easy to pry any of those players away.

 

[tintedsepia]

Martinez

 

[towcester_red]

I doubt we sign any of them. What incentive do they have? All those players are die-hard Bilbao fans, none are mercenaries. They beat us, they are doing great in the league, and all of them will want to upstage Real and Barca. If they stick together and with a bit more resources, they can make a big dent in the gap between them and the other two.

I think we're in Wonderland if we think it'll be easy to pry any of those players away.

Spot on.

 

[RedRover]

I doubt we sign any of them. What incentive do they have? All those players are die-hard Bilbao fans, none are mercenaries. They beat us, they are doing great in the league, and all of them will want to upstage Real and Barca. If they stick together and with a bit more resources, they can make a big dent in the gap between them and the other two.

I think we're in Wonderland if we think it'll be easy to pry any of those players away.

We will also pay them millions more that Bilbao - never underestimate the attarction of the filthy lucre.

And two of said player didn't even start their careers there, to to state they are "die hard fans" is based on what? As an example Llorente's contract runs out next year - and he's yet to sign a new one.

They may also recognise the value in getting a big move when you have the chance and while your stock's high.

 

[KM]

I doubt we sign any of them. What incentive do they have? All those players are die-hard Bilbao fans, none are mercenaries. They beat us, they are doing great in the league, and all of them will want to upstage Real and Barca. If they stick together and with a bit more resources, they can make a big dent in the gap between them and the other two.

I think we're in Wonderland if we think it'll be easy to pry any of those players away.

The incentive to play in the Champions League and play for the biggest world in the club. They're not doing great at all in the league, Bilbao are sitting 13rd in the La Liga, so it's not like as they're competing for the La Liga. Bilbao are one of the most financially sound clubs in the La Liga, so it's not like they don't have the resources.

As usual the Caftards like to talk shit in the transfer forum.

 

[pocco]

The incentive to play in the Champions League and play for the biggest world in the club. They're not doing great at all in the league, Bilbao are sitting 13rd in the La Liga, so it's not like as they're competing for the La Liga. Bilbao are one of the most financially sound clubs in the La Liga, so it's not like they don't have the resources.

As usual the Caftards like to talk shit in the transfer forum.

They're 13th!? And we're saying we should build a team out of their players? Only on redcafe. Some people need to pull their head out their arse and realise that we could have swept them aside if we put in anything that even resembled effort when we played them.

 

[Massive Spanner]

They're 13th!? And we're saying we should build a team out of their players? Only on redcafe. Some people need to pull their head out their arse and realise that we could have swept them aside if we put in anything that even resembled effort when we played them.

No, just that we should go and sign 1 or 2 of their best ones. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Maajid]

The incentive to play in the Champions League and play for the biggest world in the club. They're not doing great at all in the league, Bilbao are sitting 13rd in the La Liga, so it's not like as they're competing for the La Liga. Bilbao are one of the most financially sound clubs in the La Liga, so it's not like they don't have the resources.

As usual the Caftards like to talk shit in the transfer forum.

Two things: one, they're not 13th - they're 7th and two, regardless of what kind of resources they have, they will never compete for La Liga because of their cantera policy.

Get your facts right before accusing others of talking shit.

 

[KM]

Two things: one, they're not 13th - they're 7th and two, regardless of what kind of resources they have, they will never compete for La Liga because of their cantera policy.

Get your facts right before accusing others of talking shit.

If you look at the table, their are 5 teams currently on 45 points and their la liga form has largely been poor.
Saying their are doing great in the league when they are in fact 7th(and tied on points with other 4 teams) will come under talking shit.

So yeah I apologize for saying that they're 13th(I saw the league table two weeks ago, so assumed from that.) but if you think there's no great incentive to sign for Manchester United and that they are doing great in La Liga, then you are a moron.

Also I'm not sure what wrong did I said they have enough resources, obviously they won't change their policy but they are financially sound.

 

[Brwned]

No, just that we should go and sign 1 or 2 of their best ones. Nothing wrong with that.

Nothing wrong maybe, but it's pretty laughable when the majority of people who think we should buy two or three of their players have decided this on the back of just two games against us. It was the same flawed logic that made people want us to sign Cissokho as Evra's replacement a couple of years back, and hundreds of others.

 

[Sarni]

If you look at the table, their are 5 teams currently on 45 points and their la liga form has largely been poor.
Saying their are doing great in the league when they are in fact 7th(and tied on points with other 4 teams) will come under talking shit.

So yeah I apologize for saying that they're 13th(I saw the league table two weeks ago, so assumed from that.) but if you think there's no great incentive to sign for Manchester United and that they are doing great in La Liga, then you are a moron.

Also I'm not sure what wrong did I said they have enough resources, obviously they won't change their policy but they are financially sound.

He's making a valid point - Athletic have had a good season, perhaps not as good as they would have liked in the league but they've focused on Europa League for large parts of it and have come out on top so far. With stability and one more year of experience they will push for Champions League spots next season and could well achieve that. All of these players are Basque so naturally they feel affiliation with the club. To assume they'll be willing to move away at first opportunity is frankly disrespectful to their club.

 

[KM]

He's making a valid point - Athletic have had a good season, perhaps not as good as they would have liked in the league but they've focused on Europa League for large parts of it and have come out on top so far. With stability and one more year of experience they will push for Champions League spots next season and could well achieve that. All of these players are Basque so naturally they feel affiliation with the club. To assume they'll be willing to move away at first opportunity is frankly disrespectful to their club.

No I'm not saying that they would be willing to move at first opportunity. I haven't said that. But saying that they've no incentive to move from Bilbao to Manchester United is frankly wrong.

The fact is that that players will move if they see a good career move, and joining Manchester United from Bilbao is a great career move. Unfortunately the player loyalty is dwindling right now. Markel Suseata and Llorente's contract expires in 2013 and so far both of them haven't signed a new contract and will most probably in this window.

 

[ha_rooney]

I hope we sign Martinez but I'd be delighted if we signed any one of Muniain, Martinez or Herrera. All young players with great talent and potential to be world-class, Fergie always goes on about 'value' and these players would definitely satisfy that criteria.

 

[red thru&thru]

So to sum up, it's not definite we will sign anyone from Bilbao after all! In fact it is more a wild stab in the dark based on the fact Bilbao played well against us in the EL.

Based on that logic, and of course my experience of watching Utd since 1977, i proclaim we will definitely sign Victor Moses and the rest of the Wigan midfield this summer!

He'd be a great signing…add some direct pace to our attack, a reason why they say berbatov is no longer required!

 

[Member 55443]

This thread is bizarre, but the beauty of Bilbao is their system and tactics are far far far superior to any one individual they have. It's pretty sweet for them if they can flog us some players at a ridiculously inflated price and replace them with someone else who can do just as good a job as part of their system, then people will wonder why X player who United bought from them for £25m is a total flop.

 

[Maajid]

If you look at the table, their are 5 teams currently on 45 points and their la liga form has largely been poor.
Saying their are doing great in the league when they are in fact 7th(and tied on points with other 4 teams) will come under talking shit.

So yeah I apologize for saying that they're 13th(I saw the league table two weeks ago, so assumed from that.) but if you think there's no great incentive to sign for Manchester United and that they are doing great in La Liga, then you are a moron.

Also I'm not sure what wrong did I said they have enough resources, obviously they won't change their policy but they are financially sound.

Atta'boy! Now that you've cleansed your argument of the factual inaccuracies that it had, you are free to call whomever you like whatever petty name you want.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Nothing wrong maybe, but it's pretty laughable when the majority of people who think we should buy two or three of their players have decided this on the back of just two games against us. It was the same flawed logic that made people want us to sign Cissokho as Evra's replacement a couple of years back, and hundreds of others.

To be fair Brwned, there are a lot of us who watch La Liga regularly and were saying how good Martinez would be for this team long before we played them.

 

[Ole's_toe_poke]

This thread is bizarre, but the beauty of Bilbao is their system and tactics are far far far superior to any one individual they have. It's pretty sweet for them if they can flog us some players at a ridiculously inflated price and replace them with someone else who can do just as good a job as part of their system, then people will wonder why X player who United bought from them for £25m is a total flop.

This is one of the most sensible posts I've read from you VIM.

Although the talent of Ander and Munian is unquestionable.

 

[Member 55443]

This is one of the most sensible posts I've read from you VIM.

Although the talent of Ander and Munian is unquestionable.

Is that meant to be a compliment?

 

[davisjw]

We will also pay them millions more that Bilbao - never underestimate the attarction of the filthy lucre.

And two of said player didn't even start their careers there, to to state they are "die hard fans" is based on what? As an example Llorente's contract runs out next year - and he's yet to sign a new one.

They may also recognise the value in getting a big move when you have the chance and while your stock's high.

Llorente has spent years as a transfer target and he hasn't moved. I doubt he goes now. He's just fishing for a bit more money.

Unfortunately most Englishmen have forgotten the passion players have for their clubs. Barca and Bilbao players play for something more than wealth. We used to understand that ourselves, and now we've stuck our heads so far up our arses that we've seen our best youth player jump ship and our second best one on the verge. All because of wealth. Don't let the actions of the scum we've brought in, deter you from the fact that some players and clubs stand for something.

Bilbao and Barca represent something greater than the club. They represent an identity for a whole region proud of who they are. United players used to feel that way as did most footballers.

Again, none of those players are mercenaries. Criticize the fact they only have players that are from that region (or have lived there long enough or whose parents are from there) but that means their identity to the club is far stronger than 95% of our players.

The incentive to play in the Champions League and play for the biggest world in the club. They're not doing great at all in the league, Bilbao are sitting 13rd in the La Liga, so it's not like as they're competing for the La Liga. Bilbao are one of the most financially sound clubs in the La Liga, so it's not like they don't have the resources.

As usual the Caftards like to talk shit in the transfer forum.

Everyone knows they had a horrid start to the season and bottomed out under their new system. Then the educated know that since January they have won 16, tied 8, and only lost 5 (two of those against Barca and Real). With those results from the beginning, they would be in CL contention. As it stands they beat us both times on their way to a semi-final in Europa. Next season, with everyone knowing the system, they will be incredibly tough to beat. The only reason they are so low is their start to the season which was expected playing under a new radical system no other team in the world plays. All you had to see was the way they dismantled our side twice to know what their team is capable of.

Bilbao have plenty of resources, but they only buy players with a connection to the region. So even if they could afford Messi and he wanted to play there, they wouldn't take him. They take their resources and redevelop it into their youth program which is only surpassed by Barca's in Spain. So you criticizing them for not spending their resources is benign. They reinvest.

Next time you want to wank off to a picture of yourself in all your own self-imposed glory, do so silently. Otherwise you might find yourself eating your own shite.

 

[Varun]

Its strange to suggest there's no incentive for them to move to us. We will give them the chance to win leagues, CL and also pretty surely higher wages. Thats a lot of incentive to move.

Thing is, in the la liga, unless you're in the top 2, you do need to move at some point to win things.

This thread is bizarre, but the beauty of Bilbao is their system and tactics are far far far superior to any one individual they have. It's pretty sweet for them if they can flog us some players at a ridiculously inflated price and replace them with someone else who can do just as good a job as part of their system, then people will wonder why X player who United bought from them for £25m is a total flop.

Spot on VIM but then the likes of Llorente Martinez and Muniain are very clear talents and would be great buys for most teams.

 

[davisjw]

Its strange to suggest there's no incentive for them to move to us. We will give them the chance to win leagues, CL and also pretty surely higher wages. Thats a lot of incentive to move.

Thing is, in the la liga, unless you're in the top 2, you do need to move at some point to win things.

Spot on VIM but then the likes of Llorente Martinez and Muniain are very clear talents and would be great buys for most teams.

My issue is the entitlement half our fans feel. Most on here think it's some divine passage to join us when the past few seasons has surely put the more level-headed supporter in his place.

We are not the idolized club we think we are to outsiders. Even within England, we only represent tradition. In a world where players are looking for something more, tradition doesn't play too large a role.

Bilbao players like Barca players will die for their club because it's not a team, it's an identity. Talk to anyone from those two regions and they'll declare themselves Spanish second. It's an entirely different culture.

We're so used to just buying talent from a mixing bowl to forge a culture, that we have forgotten that not every team does that. And for our fans to basically say we can cherry pick who we want from Bilbao because we're United is absurd and embarrassing and why some teams despise us. We are entitled to nothing.

We are winning the league, but everyone can tell the level of our play has mostly been shite. And thank God City imploded. You can point to our embarrassment in Europe to showcase how others might see us.

The only incentives we can throw out are money and CL football? Embarrassing.

 

[Member 55443]

Well said davisjw, I whole heartedly agree.

 

[Varun]

My issue is the entitlement half our fans feel. Most on here think it's some divine passage to join us when the past few seasons has surely put the more level-headed supporter in his place.

We are not the idolized club we think we are to outsiders. Even within England, we only represent tradition. In a world where players are looking for something more, tradition doesn't play too large a role.

Bilbao players like Barca players will die for their club because it's not a team, it's an identity. Talk to anyone from those two regions and they'll declare themselves Spanish second. It's an entirely different culture.

We're so used to just buying talent from a mixing bowl to forge a culture, that we have forgotten that not every team does that. And for our fans to basically say we can cherry pick who we want from Bilbao because we're United is absurd and embarrassing and why some teams despise us. We are entitled to nothing.

We are winning the league, but everyone can tell the level of our play has mostly been shite. And thank God City imploded. You can point to our embarrassment in Europe to showcase how others might see us.

The only incentives we can throw out are money and CL football? Embarrassing.

I agree with what you're saying. But then, I dont think anyone here believes we are the sought after club for players from Spain at all. Its pretty well known that continental players prefer the spanish outfits. Given the way Bilbao are and the way they play most locals, it becomes even more unlikely that we'd be buying one of their stars easily. Given the quality of the players, as i've said, if they were to move, it'd be a bidding war which we'd be unlikely to win.

It was just the dismissive nature someone had when it came to players moving here that struck me as odd. We arent as bad in attracting talents as some would have us believe. 1 bad CL campaign doesnt change that.

Lastly, our level of play hasnt been shite at all. we've played some of the best attacking football we have the past few years. The number of goals we've scored proves that. same with the number of 4/5-0 wins. We've been very good, its just that some remember the ronaldo-rooney-tevez trinity far too fondly and dont remember the number of 1-0 wins we had to scrape through even then. 5yrs down the line, if we win the league this year, i'd bet most would have forgotten this year's 1-0s too and it'd be remembered as a great attacking season. thats just the way it goes.

Also, CL football and money arent the only incentives at all. You know what the other pulls are but given bilbao's own culture i was merely pointing out what extra we could offer them. Bilbao have their own culture and history to boast of. As you rightly said, its unlikely that our history or tradition would pull players from bilbao to us. If they move, it'd be because of the shot at titles we provide and perhaps higher wages, not much else.

 

[Brophs]

Much like my attitude when I was on the pull in my younger days, I'd take any of them. They all need lovin'*.

*First team football

 

[Urbanned]

Munian, Susaeta or Javi Martinez for me.

 

[Transfer United Till I Die]

My issue is the entitlement half our fans feel. Most on here think it's some divine passage to join us when the past few seasons has surely put the more level-headed supporter in his place.

We are not the idolized club we think we are to outsiders. Even within England, we only represent tradition. In a world where players are looking for something more, tradition doesn't play too large a role.

Bilbao players like Barca players will die for their club because it's not a team, it's an identity. Talk to anyone from those two regions and they'll declare themselves Spanish second. It's an entirely different culture.

We're so used to just buying talent from a mixing bowl to forge a culture, that we have forgotten that not every team does that. And for our fans to basically say we can cherry pick who we want from Bilbao because we're United is absurd and embarrassing and why some teams despise us. We are entitled to nothing.

We are winning the league, but everyone can tell the level of our play has mostly been shite. And thank God City imploded. You can point to our embarrassment in Europe to showcase how others might see us.

The only incentives we can throw out are money and CL football? Embarrassing.

Agree with most of that but I think you're being overdramatic at the end. We haven't been "shite" at all. Wve largely been very good, but not as amazing as the ronaldo vintage. It rather seems to me that in calling our performances shite suggests that you feel an entitlement that united should piss all over everyone every year.

And not every footballer in the world dreams of playing for us but I bet the majority of them would feel lucky to have the opportunity to play for any of the European giants including us.

 

[KM]

Everyone knows they had a horrid start to the season and bottomed out under their new system. Then the educated know that since January they have won 16, tied 8, and only lost 5 (two of those against Barca and Real). With those results from the beginning, they would be in CL contention. As it stands they beat us both times on their way to a semi-final in Europa. Next season, with everyone knowing the system, they will be incredibly tough to beat. The only reason they are so low is their start to the season which was expected playing under a new radical system no other team in the world plays. All you had to see was the way they dismantled our side twice to know what their team is capable of.

Bilbao have plenty of resources, but they only buy players with a connection to the region. So even if they could afford Messi and he wanted to play there, they wouldn't take him. They take their resources and redevelop it into their youth program which is only surpassed by Barca's in Spain. So you criticizing them for not spending their resources is benign. They reinvest.

Next time you want to wank off to a picture of yourself in all your own self-imposed glory, do so silently. Otherwise you might find yourself eating your own shite

Yet still in their last 8 matches, they've lost 4 and drawn 2. What's that all about then. Infact in this season their long streak of wins have been two, that shows how much inconsistent they've been.

They're a very good side under a very good manager, but let's not over-rate them. Malaga looks like with CL Qualification they'll improve, Valencia have some quality players. So it's ridiculous to think that next season it's guaranteed that they'll qualify for the Champions League.

Also at the bolded part, looks like I really touched a nerve eh?

 

[KM]

My issue is the entitlement half our fans feel. Most on here think it's some divine passage to join us when the past few seasons has surely put the more level-headed supporter in his place.

We are not the idolized club we think we are to outsiders. Even within England, we only represent tradition. In a world where players are looking for something more, tradition doesn't play too large a role.

Bilbao players like Barca players will die for their club because it's not a team, it's an identity. Talk to anyone from those two regions and they'll declare themselves Spanish second. It's an entirely different culture.

We're so used to just buying talent from a mixing bowl to forge a culture, that we have forgotten that not every team does that. And for our fans to basically say we can cherry pick who we want from Bilbao because we're United is absurd and embarrassing and why some teams despise us. We are entitled to nothing.

We are winning the league, but everyone can tell the level of our play has mostly been shite. And thank God City imploded. You can point to our embarrassment in Europe to showcase how others might see us.

The only incentives we can throw out are money and CL football? Embarrassing.

That's why I've problems with people like you. The sort of people who always think the grass is greener on the other side. You think that Bilbao's league form has been great despite them losing half of their last 8 matches, but yet say that United's play has largely been shite.

Our form in Europe this season was poor, but we are still amongst the biggest club in the world, one bad season in Europe doesn't change that and it's nothing arrogant to say that.

Actually we also offer only tradition to the players, have you been living in a fecking cave for the last 20 years?
We've been one of the most successful sides in Europe(trophy in the last 5 years). Seriously you don't think we offer more than tradition to the players?

Most on here think it's some divine passage to join us when the past few seasons has surely put the more level-headed supporter in his place.

Aye the past few seasons where we have won just about everything.

 

[Will Absolute]

Why wouldn't any Bilbao player want to join one of the world's great clubs? Unless we're in competition with one of the Spanish giants we'd surely be top of the list.

 

[NoLogo]

How someone can think it's an argument against buying a player that is very talented by pointing out his team isn't good is beyond me tbh.

Maybe you should get back to discussing the qualities of players you want us to sign instead of discussing if their team has a bad season or not.

Not to mention that it's a bit useless to discuss if Manchester United is an attractive enough target or not because I'm fairly certain this perception will vary from player to player.

 

[KM]

How someone can think it's an argument against buying a player that is very talented by pointing out his team isn't good is beyond me tbh.

Maybe you should get back to discussing the qualities of players you want us to sign instead of discussing if their team has a bad season or not.

Not to mention that it's a bit useless to discuss if Manchester United is an attractive enough target or not because I'm fairly certain this perception will vary from player to player.

Nobody is saying that. But yeah you're right this shouldn't be discussed here the part about Athletico having a bad season. Apologies for taking this thread off-topic.

 

[davisjw]

That's why I've problems with people like you. The sort of people who always think the grass is greener on the other side. You think that Bilbao's league form has been great despite them losing half of their last 8 matches, but yet say that United's play has largely been shite.

Our form in Europe this season was poor, but we are still amongst the biggest club in the world, one bad season in Europe doesn't change that and it's nothing arrogant to say that.

Actually we also offer only tradition to the players, have you been living in a fecking cave for the last 20 years?
We've been one of the most successful sides in Europe(trophy in the last 5 years). Seriously you don't think we offer more than tradition to the players?

Aye the past few seasons where we have won just about everything.

They've dropped points because their eggs are in the Europa basket, not to some fall from grace. I have no idea what you have against Bilbao. And I never said the grass is greener. I love United like everyone on here. I do have a problem with entitlement and people's perception that we are a divine team and if no one else sees us that way, then to hell they'll be carried with pitch forks and torches.

I was pointing out that they were the only two reasons people have to entice Bilbao players - you included. Which was, as a reminder, A. money and B. CL football. Unfortunately the list of clubs that have money and CL football is about 75% of teams in the CL. So those two points are mute at best.

We win leagues, certainly, but do you really think anyone outside of Great Britain and Ireland really cares passionately about the PL? They want to win because they're winners, but winning the PL vs. Serie A vs. La Liga is mute to anyone who hasn't grown up with that league. So yes, us winning leagues is enticing, but so it being a part of City and being a part of a team who will be a force next season and for the foreseeable future. Chelsea, Spurs, and Arsenal will always have London as being far more enticing than Manchester. Etc. It comes down to personality not because we're the best.

I love our club and I can think of an infinite amount of reasons to join United. But they're my reasons. And they are because of my love for the club and my own feeling of identity. You have to think of the 99% of others out there. And for Bilbao players, money and CL football and Fergie and tradition and our youthful approach to play and the others aren't going to change their mind.

And for those who question our ability this season, to me, over the last decade of league winning squads this one and our play is the weakest. We have had many peaks, but we have also had far more drops than usual. I have not been impressed with our play compared to similar teams both in the league and in Europe. We'll always score a lot on some games and struggle on others. I try to look at the whole picture and stats don't always offer that.

And no the bolded part didn't mean anything special except that I hate pompous people who can't even get their facts straight.

 

[Walrus]

Martinez would be my choice. Him and another, more attacking CM like Modric would be the ideal summer for us as far as I'm concerned - along with a few departures.

 

[pocco]

They've dropped points because their eggs are in the Europa basket, not to some fall from grace.

Really? They've been getting beat and scraping draws with the likes of Granada with pretty much full strength teams.

 

[NoLogo]

Nobody is saying that. But yeah you're right this shouldn't be discussed here the part about Athletico having a bad season. Apologies for taking this thread off-topic.

Fair enough. Wasn't really looking through the entire thread and was more assuming that this was the reason all this started. My mistake.