Which biggest mistake do u think Fergie had made in his manager's life?

Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>Cole got a double last night.

I insist, i think SAF shouldn't have let Cole go.. i thought he had 3 good years left in him..</strong><hr></blockquote>

He wanted to go. And no disrespect to Wigan, but its against PL clubs he has to be judged.

Andy - sorry, Andrew - Cole did not want to play rotation. He didn't want to sit on the bench - he chucked his toys out of the pram when he was on the bench against Derby a couple of years ago - just one game! So if he wasn't top dog, he didn't want to know.

His World Cup dream was more important than his United career. Which is fair enough - but his heart didn't bleed red.

(Now watch him put a couple past us on Sunday. <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> )
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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He wanted to go. And no disrespect to Wigan, but its against PL clubs he has to be judged.

Andy - sorry, Andrew - Cole did not want to play rotation. He didn't want to sit on the bench - he chucked his toys out of the pram when he was on the bench against Derby a couple of years ago - just one game! So if he wasn't top dog, he didn't want to know.

His World Cup dream was more important than his United career. Which is fair enough - but his heart didn't bleed red.

(Now watch him put a couple past us on Sunday. <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> )</strong><hr></blockquote>

Cole was a one depressed football player i tell you.

I remember the days he played for Newcastle.. he scored all the amazing goals with Beardsley.. they were one hell of a pair..

I feel sorry he wasn't picked for many international games.. i feel sorry he peaked with us when Glenn Hoddle was in charge of the England team.. what a shame really..

But I think if SAF had said the word, and insisted on it, Cole wouldn't have left.. him and RVN may have paired up nicely.. who knows?
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
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Cole was a one depressed football player i tell you.

I remember the days he played for Newcastle.. he scored all the amazing goals with Beardsley.. they were one hell of a pair..

I feel sorry he wasn't picked for many international games.. i feel sorry he peaked with us when Glenn Hoddle was in charge of the England team.. what a shame really..

But I think if SAF had said the word, and insisted on it, Cole wouldn't have left.. him and RVN may have paired up nicely.. who knows?</strong><hr></blockquote>


Not with Fergie's lone-striker obsession.

Cole would have got his fair share of games, but it wasn't enough for him.
 
This post should never be considered as critism against SAF. In so many years of STERLING service anyone is bound to do mistakes

Now the top 5

1. Selling Stam. He was the column of our backline and selling him a week before the CL deadline was a mistake. SAF had tried his best to find a good substitute for him ( Nesta and Ayala) but it was then too late. It took us nearly 2 years to solve this problem

2. Creating a formation that would cut off completely regular top scorer Andy Cole. Andy had been brilliant and consistent for us for so many years, and should have NEVER been sent on the bench.

3. Not bringing a good assistant manager when McClaren left OT. Nowadays Manutd is an empire and leading it alone was too much even for living legend SAF

4. Not giving two year extensions to Mark Hughes AND Teddy Sheringham. Both players were still far from the saturation point and would have proved vital in the next year campaigns

5. Every legend signs at least one blunder and Taibi was SAF’s. Not that Taibi was a bad keeper but if SAF knew Taibi well he wou;d have known that the italian crumbled when facing pressure. He did it with AC Milan and he was destined to do it at OT.

The trick to become a Legend is not by not doing mistakes ( After all he is not God) but in solving the problem and learn out of them. That was SAF’s trick and that is why even though sometimes I critize him, I hold great respect of him

He built and rebuilt the team for 2 times and that what I admire in him. He has guts and that guts makes him THE BEST.
 
Originally posted by devilish:
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Andy had been brilliant and consistent for us for so many years, and should have NEVER been sent on the bench.

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Never??? Don't be ridiculous.
 
Well go on any striker who had been the top scorer ( or second) of the team for 4 years,had an active role in bringing you all the trophies you had and had been not only prolific But also a perfect example for the team during all this years
and tell him that from now on he will be considered as a reserve

Cole would have NEVER had a fair share of games, Not in the 4-5-1 formation with RVN on fire
 
Originally posted by devilish:
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Cole would have NEVER had a fair share of games, Not in the 4-5-1 formation with RVN on fire</strong><hr></blockquote>

Exactly, which is why he had to go.

And why should Cole being relegated to the bench be more unfair than it has been for Ole - he scored five in two games once and was then on the bench next game. And that's just one occasion out of many. He has been just as instrumental in our success as Cole. Possibly more so imo.
 
But why putting your most consistant striker on the bench? What was the need of it.

I Dreamt to see Cole's pace and hardwork mixing with RVN power and class but it never happened. This mix is what is missing in our attack and this is what SAF is searching in a forward. Its a pity that Andy is not here anymore
 
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>But why putting your most consistant striker on the bench? What was the need of it.

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Why put Solskjaer on the bench tho he was the leading goalscorer the first year he was here and who was Yorke's first partner with whom he gelled straight away. You're saying Cole was better than Solskjaer which he never has been - even Eric could see that. Solskjaer has a lot more to whine about than Cole ever did.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Why put Solskjaer on the bench tho he was the leading goalscorer the first year he was here and who was Yorke's first partner with whom he gelled straight away. You're saying Cole was better than Solskjaer which he never has been - even Eric could see that. Solskjaer has a lot more to whine about than Cole ever did.</strong><hr></blockquote>

This I have to agree with. And I also understand why Cole would want to leave.

Devil, you have to understand that Cole had much more to lose if he had settled for the bench. He wanted England International caps more than winning trophies with us from the bench. Ole does things very well coming off the bench, and was told he would be a rotation player from the moment he stepped into OT. Cole was told when he signed that he'd be first team.

No one wants a step down. For Ole, every starter he gets is a step up in his career.
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
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Ole does things very well coming off the bench, and was told he would be a rotation player from the moment he stepped into OT. </strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't think he was. The term rotation didn't kick in till a couple of seasons later.
 
Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>This post should never be considered as critism against SAF. In so many years of STERLING service anyone is bound to do mistakes

Now the top 5

1. Selling Stam. He was the column of our backline and selling him a week before the CL deadline was a mistake. SAF had tried his best to find a good substitute for him ( Nesta and Ayala) but it was then too late. It took us nearly 2 years to solve this problem
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Agreed we did not find a suitable replacement immediately subsequent to the departure of Jaap Stam. The selling of Stam was not a mistake though. Stam is good. But no player however good says things like he said. It is a correct decision for SAF to do what he did. Roy Keane's comments every now and then? Never as near in lacking character as what Stam said. There is a serious lack of character for you to come out and talk the way Stam did. What happened of that sale? One of the best things that could have happened to us - Laurent Blanc coming. I see no negative in that. The long term gain of his coming far outweighs the loss of one championship that year - and we got through defensive frailties and all to reach the Semis of the CL!!!

Originally posted by devilish:
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2. Creating a formation that would cut off completely regular top scorer Andy Cole. Andy had been brilliant and consistent for us for so many years, and should have NEVER been sent on the bench.
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I can't comment much on this. Haven't given this enough of a thought.

Originally posted by devilish:
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3. Not bringing a good assistant manager when McClaren left OT. Nowadays Manutd is an empire and leading it alone was too much even for living legend SAF
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I will agree with this.

Originally posted by devilish:
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4. Not giving two year extensions to Mark Hughes AND Teddy Sheringham. Both players were still far from the saturation point and would have proved vital in the next year campaigns
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I may regret the departure of Teddy more than Mark Hughes. How can we regret the departure of Hughes? We won the championship the next two years!!!

Teddy, well... I would have loved for him to stay, for the same reason that I would have loved Paolo Di Canio to come to OT, and that is to allow our youngsters the time to mature while having someone who has adapted successfully to our system. Yes, I would have loved to see Teddy for one more year, if not two.

Originally posted by devilish:
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5. Every legend signs at least one blunder and Taibi was SAF’s. Not that Taibi was a bad keeper but if SAF knew Taibi well he wou;d have known that the italian crumbled when facing pressure. He did it with AC Milan and he was destined to do it at OT.
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Must have been a really uninspired choice. But, right next to it would also be Mark Bosnich - promising as Bosnich always has been, he failed to fulfill his potential. In the same token, I guess Neil Webb might as well be qualified as a big mistake, although at the time, I was so thrilled by Neil Webb coming.

Originally posted by devilish:
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The trick to become a Legend is not by not doing mistakes ( After all he is not God) but in solving the problem and learn out of them. That was SAF’s trick and that is why even though sometimes I critize him, I hold great respect of him

He built and rebuilt the team for 2 times and that what I admire in him. He has guts and that guts makes him THE BEST.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Would you have any doubts? He made us THE BEST :) <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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I don't think he was. The term rotation didn't kick in till a couple of seasons later.</strong><hr></blockquote>

but wasn't he always on the bench anyway?

if not 'rotation' then surely 'reserves'.
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
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but wasn't he always on the bench anyway?

if not 'rotation' then surely 'reserves'.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes - which is the point I was making. He didn't deserve to be on the bench any more than Cole.
 
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