Which biggest mistake do u think Fergie had made in his manager's life?

Originally posted by vijay_vr:
<strong>Rio ferdinand for 30 million pounds
silly
Crespo costs 35 Ronaldo 37
Rio 30
waste</strong><hr></blockquote>

you =
clueless muppet.

We stuck a bid in for crespo, for 20 million, reportedly, and it was turned down. We didnt DESPERATLY need a new striker, we did need a new defender at the time, especially with wes only just coming back from injury. If we didnt get rio i dont think wed have got any defender. Give him time to settle in, cluesless idiot.

Biggest mistake...hmm...i never thought Jordi Cruyuff was all he was made out to be personally, but Taibi or that guy he bought from rangers, off rangers. Forgot his name, played about 3 games and was relegated to the reserves, im desperatly trying to remember his name, thats gunna do my head in now.

And as for stam, i think fergie MIGHT of sold him partly because he was slow and aging (but no offence to him, but why did he replace him with blanc), partly because of the book and maybe because he knew Stam was doign drugs (nandrolome) at the time?...might be stabbing in the dark here but its possible he might of being the drug at Man Utd, or during pre-season that year or somit, who knows.
 
Don't forget about other legends who graced Old trafford Ralph Milne, Poborsky, Tomlinson, Alan Gough and that French defender who played games couple of games (Prunier I think) thankfully they have been so few
 
Ralph Milne - a leg-end in his own right ;) Poborsky - good player, unlucky
Tomlinson - just one of many youngsters who never made it
Alan Gough - Who?
that French defender who played games couple of games (Prunier I think) - a trialist who played due to a injury crisis
 
Originally posted by Wibble:
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I think it was a masterstroke at the time and I still do now. Stam was the best defender in the world for a while but the Stam we sold was a yard or two off the pace which made him a liability. Without the pace he wasn't a patch on Blanc or any of the current defense. If he ever makes it back to the premiership (Newcastle for 8.5 million was the last rumor I heard) we will see that he is a shadow of his former self.

The bottom line is that it was great business no matter how good he used to be.</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Brilliant! For every player that leaves OT, they suddenly become shite overnight.....
 
Originally posted by lchk:
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Brilliant! For every player that leaves OT, they suddenly become shite overnight.....</strong><hr></blockquote>

He didn't say that though did he itch?
 
Hate to say it, but i miss Andy Cole. Personally, if i were SAF i would have gone all out against Cole's wishes to leave and tried to keep him.
 
Originally posted by ALGred:
<strong>Trying or thinking of selling Ole to Spurs. :eek: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh yeah I forgot about that one - it really takes the cake!

:D
 
Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
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you =
clueless muppet.

We stuck a bid in for crespo, for 20 million, reportedly, and it was turned down. We didnt DESPERATLY need a new striker, we did need a new defender at the time, especially with wes only just coming back from injury. If we didnt get rio i dont think wed have got any defender. Give him time to settle in, cluesless idiot.

Biggest mistake...hmm...i never thought Jordi Cruyuff was all he was made out to be personally, but Taibi or that guy he bought from rangers, off rangers. Forgot his name, played about 3 games and was relegated to the reserves, im desperatly trying to remember his name, thats gunna do my head in now.

And as for stam, i think fergie MIGHT of sold him partly because he was slow and aging (but no offence to him, but why did he replace him with blanc), partly because of the book and maybe because he knew Stam was doign drugs (nandrolome) at the time?...might be stabbing in the dark here but its possible he might of being the drug at Man Utd, or during pre-season that year or somit, who knows.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Rio is a fine player.
U know its 24 for Carlos,23 for Ayala
Bullshit
Can u say Rio is worth 30?
for 30 we can get Owen..

30 for any defender is nonsense.
if u say then
 
Originally posted by JSV:
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He didn't say that though did he itch?</strong><hr></blockquote>

When has that ever stopped Itchy leaping to conclusions?
 
Originally posted by lchk:
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Brilliant! For every player that leaves OT, they suddenly become shite overnight.....</strong><hr></blockquote>

Try reading what I write before giving your usual kneejerk shite. Stam of 99 was the best defender in the world but the Stam we sold was an aging and slowing liability who wasn't worth half of the 16 million we got for him (or hopefully will eventually get for him).

BTW do you think all top quality United players remain as good as they once were for life? If so we should bring Best and Cantona back using your logic (for want of a better word).
 
Remembering the shock waves when Stam left - how many people can say, hand on heart, that they didn't believe in Stam until the minute he was sold.

There may have been some as we all know there are those who are never satisfied - but I'd bet my next month's wages on the majority changing their opinion after Fergie sold him, and not before.
 
Originally posted by Wibble:
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Try reading what I write before giving your usual kneejerk shite. Stam of 99 was the best defender in the world but the Stam we sold was an aging and slowing liability who wasn't worth half of the 16 million we got for him (or hopefully will eventually get for him).

BTW do you think all top quality United players remain as good as they once were for life? If so we should bring Best and Cantona back using your logic (for want of a better word).</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh, someone's touchy today..... ;)
 
Look, it was a shock when Stam left, yes, but it certainly wouldnt rank as 'Fergies biggest mistake in his managerial life'
 
Originally posted by Wibble:
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Try reading what I write before giving your usual kneejerk shite. Stam of 99 was the best defender in the world but the Stam we sold was an aging and slowing liability who wasn't worth half of the 16 million we got for him (or hopefully will eventually get for him).</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh god, when has Stam become a liability! The Stam in 00-01 was still the best and the only world class defender we had, and we have not lost one league match in that season when he started! Compare with the defence record in the first half of 01-02 (in one time we were the 2nd worst defence in the whole EPL).
 
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>Look, it was a shock when Stam left, yes, but it certainly wouldnt rank as 'Fergies biggest mistake in his managerial life'</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree with this. His biggest mistake may probably be fail to strengthen the defence of the team after the treble season.
 
There were more than one mistake that Fergie had made in his manager's life especially in the last season. First of all, he did not agree to Sheringham's request to two year contract and Sheri left to join his old club, Spurs again. Secondly, he sold off Jaap Stam after the first few matches of last season, mainly because of Stam's autobiography and thirdly, he switched the formation to 4-5-1 in order to contain Veron and pushed Scholes upfront just behind Nistelrooy for most of the matches. Thus, Scholes' performance was affected in that position and Veron did not performed creditably. Thus, the three mistakes which Fergie made were equally important. If I were to pick the biggest mistake he had made, I think is the sale of Stam which largely affected MU's performances last season.
 
Last season: 3rd EPL, Semi-final CL. Hardly a disaster now is it?
 
not another one!
can anyone see past this Stam thing?
can anyone see beyound United in 'Fergies Managerial career' NOT 'Fergies United Career' ???
Can anyone see beyond Stams form in the treble season?
I think some people need to take their blinkers off..
we made a 6million quid profit on a 29 year old defender...how is this his biggest mistake?
a defender who then went on to become banned for taking drugs...again how was this fergies biggest mistake?
You are all saying selling Stam was a mistake, without even knowing the FULL facts. Youre all assuming facts which may or may not be true. For all we know, the other players may have been stand-offish from Stam because they found out about him taking banned drugs. Maybe he was a bad influence on the dressing room. Maybe he shagged someone elses wife. Maybe he was a cross dresser. Maybe it was down to the book.
My point being you dont know the facts, Fergie did. fergie chose to sell him at a good profit.
NOT Fergies biggest mistake of his managerial career IMO.
 
Originally posted by Sydius:
<strong>Mark Bosnich</strong><hr></blockquote>

What, getting rid the first time or getting him back again?
 
Originally posted by vijay_vr:
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Rio is a fine player.
U know its 24 for Carlos,23 for Ayala
Bullshit
Can u say Rio is worth 30?
for 30 we can get Owen..

30 for any defender is nonsense.
if u say then</strong><hr></blockquote>

owen? i won't want that one trick pony in our team. never.

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Biggest mistake SAF has made was announcing his retirement far far too early creating a somewhat lax attitude within the playing staff.

Also Taibi but then again that probably wasnt his fault it was more the fault of the mindless fools who were actually paid to go and watch him then have the audacity to recommend we actually buy him!!

Another mistake was not selling Jaap sooner rather than giving him a handful of matches to show exactly how much he had lost before we sold him off!!

Apart from these minor flaws Fergie is a god in my eyes as he has taken us from mediocrity 16 years ago to one of the best teams in the world..AND THAT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF!!
 
Rapping it in with the Dons and going to shitey Manchester. Should have stuck it oot in the SPL
 
Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
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...or that guy he bought from rangers, off rangers. Forgot his name, played about 3 games and was relegated to the reserves, im desperatly trying to remember his name, thats gunna do my head in now.
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What? Andy Gorham?? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> I still wake up and think it's all been a bad dream!!
Interested to know why someone wants to focus on SAF's mistakes?? commisioning grey jerseys takes the cake though. Then ridiculing himself claiming the bad results were because the players were invisible to each other!!.. good one Alex.
I thought he'd made a major one recently with those accusations from that South African bird.. hungry money grabbing slapper!!! :mad:
 
if you read his autobiog you will find he considers not signing Big Mick Harford in 1992, who SAF is sure would have given us the aerial threat and physical presence to shoot us to the title that year we were beaten by Leeds :)
 
Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Oh god, when has Stam become a liability! The Stam in 00-01 was still the best and the only world class defender we had, and we have not lost one league match in that season when he started! Compare with the defence record in the first half of 01-02 (in one time we were the 2nd worst defence in the whole EPL).</strong><hr></blockquote>


Stam was very poor in the last few games he played for us. Beaten for speed and hopelessly out of position many times. After his op he wasn't the same player and 16 million was far too much for him.
 
Originally posted by Dervish:
<strong>Selling Sheri. If we held on to him for another 2 years Im sure him and Ruud could've complimented each other perfectly...

I think that encouraging Blanc to not retire in the summer was somewhat foolish...</strong><hr></blockquote>

We didn't sell him. He declined to sign the new contract we offered him.
 
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>not another one!
can anyone see past this Stam thing?
can anyone see beyound United in 'Fergies Managerial career' NOT 'Fergies United Career' ???
Can anyone see beyond Stams form in the treble season?
I think some people need to take their blinkers off..
we made a 6million quid profit on a 29 year old defender...how is this his biggest mistake?
a defender who then went on to become banned for taking drugs...again how was this fergies biggest mistake?
You are all saying selling Stam was a mistake, without even knowing the FULL facts. Youre all assuming facts which may or may not be true. For all we know, the other players may have been stand-offish from Stam because they found out about him taking banned drugs. Maybe he was a bad influence on the dressing room. Maybe he shagged someone elses wife. Maybe he was a cross dresser. Maybe it was down to the book.
My point being you dont know the facts, Fergie did. fergie chose to sell him at a good profit.
NOT Fergies biggest mistake of his managerial career IMO.</strong><hr></blockquote>

But he was the bets defender in the world.

At one time :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Wibble:
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We didn't sell him. He declined to sign the new contract we offered him.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Same difference really. He would have signed if we'd offered him another year. Which he deserved.
 
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>not another one!
can anyone see past this Stam thing?
can anyone see beyound United in 'Fergies Managerial career' NOT 'Fergies United Career' ???
Can anyone see beyond Stams form in the treble season?
I think some people need to take their blinkers off..
we made a 6million quid profit on a 29 year old defender...how is this his biggest mistake?
a defender who then went on to become banned for taking drugs...again how was this fergies biggest mistake?
You are all saying selling Stam was a mistake, without even knowing the FULL facts. Youre all assuming facts which may or may not be true. For all we know, the other players may have been stand-offish from Stam because they found out about him taking banned drugs. Maybe he was a bad influence on the dressing room. Maybe he shagged someone elses wife. Maybe he was a cross dresser. Maybe it was down to the book.
My point being you dont know the facts, Fergie did. fergie chose to sell him at a good profit.
NOT Fergies biggest mistake of his managerial career IMO.</strong><hr></blockquote>

An Excellent post.
 
Cole got a double last night.

I insist, i think SAF shouldn't have let Cole go.. i thought he had 3 good years left in him..
 
Originally posted by Red_For_Life:
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So was Laurent Blanc DumbAss.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Any your point being ****** ?

P.S. I'm right out of childish insults to tack on the end so if you could add your own instead of the ****** then it would save time.

P.P.S. You might be misunderstanding me. You said GB 's post was excellent and yet called me a Dumbass (BTW I'm not sure if my ego will recover from such a vile and public humiliation) even though GB and I were making the same point about Stam. Of you could just be a *******.

P.P.P.S. The bit in brackets was sarcasm. I wouldn't want you to be confused.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Same difference really. He would have signed if we'd offered him another year. Which he deserved.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I would have liked him to stay and in retrospect it does seem a mistake but with the strikers we had at the time and knowing that RVN was arriving I think I would have made the same choice.