"Where's your famous Munich song?"

Lynk

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Honestly, why does this chant persist amongst our away support? And why don't the sensible ones give the ones doing it a clatter across the face? All it does is continue those vile chants about Munich, something we should condemn not wish for.


I thought the fans at the start were fantastic, but it seems at the end there was a minority who seemed intent to destroy it for everyone.
 
Where you at the game? I didn't hear it on Sky.
 
Sky Sports News did a whole section on it. One Liverpool fan was ejected for making Aeroplane jestures. Then they did a montage of chants from United.
 
Lynk said:
Honestly, why does this chant persist amongst our away support? And why don't the sensible ones give the ones doing it a clatter across the face? All it does is continue those vile chants about Munich, something we should condemn not wish for.


I thought the fans at the start were fantastic, but it seems at the end there was a minority who seemed intent to destroy it for everyone.
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Do you actually want an answer? It's because of decades (not years) of Liverpool fans singing about Munich. Then Hillsborough happens, and all of a sudden, people dying isn't quite as funny any more.

Certainly not the place to sing it today, mind. In fact, that was worse than what sky sports news 'reported' after the game. Liverpool fans responded as well as they could, by booing it.
 
Liam147 said:
Do you actually want an answer? It's because of decades (not years) of Liverpool fans singing about Munich. Then Hillsborough happens, and all of a sudden, people dying isn't quite as funny any more.

Certainly not the place to sing it today, mind. In fact, that was worse than what sky sports news 'reported' after the game. Liverpool fans responded as well as they could, by booing it.
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Regardless giving them an invitation to sing the songs is fecking stupid.
 
Liam147 said:
Do you actually want an answer? It's because of decades (not years) of Liverpool fans singing about Munich. Then Hillsborough happens, and all of a sudden, people dying isn't quite as funny any more.

Certainly not the place to sing it today, mind. In fact, that was worse than what sky sports news 'reported' after the game. Liverpool fans responded as well as they could, by booing it.
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Everyone knows what the chant is about, the op has asked why do they persist. Especially today when they were clearly looking to provoke
 
it only takes a small pocket of idiot fans to be fair. Shame. It was like when most of the stretty sang "sit down you p.....ophile" to Wenger, some would find it funny and join in, but when you think for a second it is terribly out of taste.
 
JakeC said:
Where you at the game? I didn't hear it on Sky.
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It was load and clear on TV. I don't like the chant a single bit, particularly not on a day like today. Thankfully I only heard it sung once while Liverpool fans were much much worse (aeroplane gestures and booing Evra), which is mind-boggling really considering the occasion.
 
Wowi said:
It was load and clear on TV. I don't like the chant a single bit, particularly not on a day like today. Thankfully I only heard it sung once while Liverpool fans were much much worse (aeroplane gestures and booing Evra), which is mind-boggling really considering the occasion.
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That's not really on a par though with the Hillsborough/Munich references though is it. It's classless, but at least the players rose above it with the handshake.
 
Liam147 said:
Do you actually want an answer? It's because of decades (not years) of Liverpool fans singing about Munich. Then Hillsborough happens, and all of a sudden, people dying isn't quite as funny any more.

Certainly not the place to sing it today, mind. In fact, that was worse than what sky sports news 'reported' after the game. Liverpool fans responded as well as they could, by booing it.
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I think he did, but an answer to the question he asked I'm guessing.
 
Ok, I missed the first half, was there any songs directed at Hillsborough?
 
More message board agonising over a chant. We really haven#t had enough of this all week. :lol:
 
Randall Flagg said:
Everyone knows what the chant is about, the op has asked why do they persist. Especially today when they were clearly looking to provoke
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moses said:
I think he did, but an answer to the question he asked I'm guessing.
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But it doesn't 'persist'. It's just when we play Liverpool. Doesn't make sense singing it when we're at Fulham, for example.

It's like asking why we sing any song. Why do we sing 'ATV'? Why do we sing 'WWI3T'? The only question should be why they sung it today of all days. Unnecessary.
 
fadas said:
More message board agonising over a chant. We really haven#t had enough of this all week. :lol:
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It's a forum, we discuss shit here. You wanna watch football, there's La Liga on Sky right now.
 
I didn't like the ones at the end as well when the fans stayed behind to sing it. It's exactly what will provokes opposing fans to then chant about it. On the whole, our fans weren't awful today. Could've been a lot worse.
 
It's difficult to condemn them too much. They were the ones paying to support the team at Anfield today, we're writing about them on the internet.

Their support for the team was excellent during the game. Drowning out YAWN with 'United' today is unlikely to be appreciated elsewhere but it would have been seen as a powerful display on any other occasion.

The chants after the match were against the written wishes of Fergie and the club. Whether they're defended as justified or unrelated to Hillsborough by those who sang them, this was supposed to be the moment all songs of that nature were put aside. Not for LFC, for football in general. It's obviously never going to happen now.

That being said, when these same supporters go to Istanbul to face Galatasaray, they'll be faced with more than offensive chants, so it's all about perspective.
 
Liam147 said:
But it doesn't 'persist'. It's just when we play Liverpool. Doesn't make sense singing it when we're at Fulham, for example.
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Why do think being obtuse is the way to go in these conversations? It just makes you look stupid. Obvioulsy he meant persist in the context of matches v Liverpool
 
Aye, it's disgraceful the way we started all this at the game, isn't it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19692320

The occasion was marred slightly after the final whistle when a couple of home supporters ran across from the main stand to the visiting contingent - held behind on police orders - and started making aeroplane signals in a clear reference to the Munich air disaster in 1958 when eight United players were among 21 people who lost their lives.

The provocation was met with chants of "Always the victims" and "Murderers" from the travelling fans in relation to the Hillsborough and Heysel stadium disasters that Liverpool were involved with in the 1980s
 
I'm glad they mentioned the part played by the Pool fans, I was scared the media might be tempted to give them a free ride.
 
St Red said:
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Only a handful though :rolleyes:
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Some of your lot were doing the airplanes gestures at the end of the game. We all knew there would be idiots, but guess what, there are some on each side. Give over.

And truth be told, those microphones that Sky had planted in our end could be used to either bolster or lessen the effect of any ill-minded singing. All you need to do is move the volume lever up/down.
 
fadas said:
Aye, it's disgraceful the way we started all this at the game, isn't it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19692320

The occasion was marred slightly after the final whistle when a couple of home supporters ran across from the main stand to the visiting contingent - held behind on police orders - and started making aeroplane signals in a clear reference to the Munich air disaster in 1958 when eight United players were among 21 people who lost their lives.

The provocation was met with chants of "Always the victims" and "Murderers" from the travelling fans in relation to the Hillsborough and Heysel stadium disasters that Liverpool were involved with in the 1980s
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I've said elsewhere on this board that this was never going to change anything between us and them. Its just the way it is. But it was right that we at least got off on the right foot. As far as I'm concerned our lads played their part, they showed respect during all the pre match ceremonies as they should have. The club showed its class from the stands to the dugout standing up for the 96. Normal service is resumed now.
 
Jippy said:
That's not really on a par though with the Hillsborough/Munich references though is it. It's classless, but at least the players rose above it with the handshake.
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Never said it was the same, but as you say it's classless and considering the moral high-ground they've taken recently (by their outrage over the "always the victims"-chant mainly) you'd assume they'd want to be on their best behaviour. Especially after Evra actually shook Suarez' hand because he didn't want today to be about this.
 
Our lot did as well as can be expected today. You don't sweep years of animosity under the carpet just cos Sky are watching & looking to blow everything up out of proportion. Sky even made a big deal that United were singing while "Walk on" was played before the game.... are we not allowed do that now either?

Their chap said this so it wasn't a bad news day for United's support as far as I'm concerned.

Liverpool managing director Ian Ayre, who said: "First and foremost, a great thanks to Manchester United. Their support today was important and we are grateful.

"Their fans were excellent and our fans were excellent, which puts it into perspective that it was about the day."
 
Sky were cnuts today. Shit stirring to epic proportions.
 
On Sky News and BBC, all the reports were positive - that both sets of supporters behaved themselves. And all the Liverpool fans interviewed after the game were complementary about United supporters.
 
You've got to be a special kind of idiot to thinking singing that song is a good idea. We don't like it when they sing songs refering to the incident, so why try goad them into doing so? Or even make reference to it? It's moronic at best...

The stuff at the end is pathetic as well... but then, it's all just a bit pathetic isn't it?
 
Obviously a very insensitive time to sing ''it's never your fault'' but it was never a Hillsborough song before, why is it one now?
 
JakeC said:
Obviously a very insensitive time to sing ''it's never your fault'' but it was never a Hillsborough song before, why is it one now?
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It's a series of happenings which inspired the song, including hillsborough and of course Suarez last year
 
Judge Red said:
It's difficult to condemn them too much. They were the ones paying to support the team at Anfield today, we're writing about them on the internet.
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Even though I agree with you partly when you say that ones who aren't at the game shouldn't really slate the ones who made the effort who went - I don't think you can say it as black and white in this situation.

I hate it when people slate the support of course - but that doesn't really give the ones who weren't there the lack of right to slate how they were being absolute tools and chanting bollocks about Hillsbrough/Munich or whatever.

If they chant about Munich, then fine clearly the only thing for retaliation is Hillsbrough. For what it's worth, I've never chanted anything regarding any tragedy. But to sing "Where's your Munich song?" or whatever is just plain thick. I don't care if I wasn't there today, I'll slate those who sang that as much as I like because that's just a parasite-like move.
 
Randall Flagg said:
It's a series of happenings which inspired the song, including hillsborough and of course Suarez last year
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If it's something to do with Hillsborough, then it should never, ever be sung again.
 
McLovin said:
Sky were cnuts today. Shit stirring to epic proportions.
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Your right mate, fecking disgrace from the media today. They hardly did their bit to diffuse the situation.

Also, expecting us to sing along to YAWN was never going to happen, EVER.
 
Just seen Sky Sports News, after being kept behind, our fans did the "It's never your fault" chant. Was it too hard to to just not, like one day.
 
Leroy The Red said:
Just seen Sky Sports News, after being kept behind, our fans did the "It's never your fault" chant. Was it too hard to to just not, like one day.
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Sky seemed intent on making it seem like far more did it then it seemed, to my eye it looked like 60-70 were chanting and not the couple of hundred Sky quoted. There was always going to be idiots on both sides, it's sad but I don't understand why after the report came out the attention went to the fans again and not on the massive instutional cover-up.
 
iczster said:
Your right mate, fecking disgrace from the media today. They hardly did their bit to diffuse the situation.

Also, expecting us to sing along to YAWN was never going to happen, EVER.
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Did we not expect this from the media? Did we not expect some provocation from Liverpool fans? No excuses for our own dickishness. It was obviously happenening one way or the other. Predictable but depressing nonetheless.
 
im dont want to resort to a "but they started it argument" but before everyone slates our away support.....

"The occasion was marred slightly after the final whistle when a couple of home supporters ran across from the main stand to the visiting contingent - held behind on police orders - and started making aeroplane signals in a clear reference to the Munich air disaster in 1958 when eight United players were among 21 people who lost their lives."
 
Most of the United supporters who are regular match goers have put up with chants and banners about Munich for over 30 years, they aren't going to turn the other cheek just because the media want them to. The media should have made as much fuss about the endless references to Munich over the years, they didn't seem to mind when those loveable scousers sang the runway song as Sir Matt did a lap of honour with Bob Paisley at Wembley in the early 80's, and hardly a word was said when they hung their classy banners about it either.

They know the songs are about Heysel and the way they try to sweep in under the carpet, but they still play the victim card and try to claim they're about Hillsborough, and the media as usual lap it up.
 
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