What would be the perfect Transfer Window for our rebuild?

Really it’s about 5-6 players all leaving and how we rebuild from that. I’m working on the assumption the Glazers won’t be giving ETH a blank chequebook and he’ll have to plan on improving a lot of current players and probably only adding a couple.

I think our starting XI next season will be.
——————————DDG————————
Dalot —— Lindelof— Varane —— Shaw
——————— Ward-Prowse ———————
—————— VdB ——— Fred ———————
Sancho —————————————— Bruno
——————— Richarlisson ———————

Maybe if we’re lucky Raphinha comes in as well.

Then I think if he does well, we’ll see RB, CB and LW/ST upgraded summer ‘23.
 
DM
CM
RW
Lb/rb
Bonus signing : young cb

If we can get the midfield right we can go very far. I think the impact of a good midfield is underrated in this forum. Midfield is as important in defense as it is in attack.

Sales :
Jones
Bailly
Telles /Dalot more sellable than shaw/awb
Henderson
McTominay squad spot should be taken taken by Garner
Andreas
Chong
Matic

Leaving
Cavani
Pogba
Mata
Jesse
 
I think we need to target, and I mean really target, specific players that have the qualities we need. Most of this thread is filled with the name of players that have been in the press / play in the feeder European clubs like Ajax, RB Liepzig etc, which is fine as none of us are scouts, but the problem is our scouts usually end up signing those players. The press ends up being a self-fullfiling prophecy. We need a DM? We'll Tchoumeni's been mentioned in the press, let's sign him. Ditto Sancho before that.

We've had too many Delays, Sanchos, VDBs, AWBs recently, we need more Bruno calibre players.

We don't even need to spend huge sums - look at Robertson, or Evra and Vidic previously. If you know the specific attributes you want in a player, and then do a really comprehensive search of say the top 10-20 leagues, you can find good players that aren't going off of their names alone.

For instance Nkunku and Anthony - both of them look talented but I don't think they're naturally talented enough to be anything great here. I'd much rather we take a gamble on O. Dembele because his natural ability is miles ahead of those two.

For me the priority is:
- RW - O. Dembele
- DM - somebody not Rice for £100m, as much as I do rate him. Around £40-50m is good. Profile - can read the defensive aspect well, can beat a press and can pass the ball. Ideal would be someone like Bissouma.
- CM - a passing, technical midfielder. Kessie on a free would be a great pickup for me. Or someone better if they can be found. Not a B2B like Bellingham. Neves is a good option too.
- Striker - my preference would be to try get Martial back to his 20+ goals season form. Pep and Klopp would make use of his on the ball ability. If not then sign someone that can finish and press

- Fullbacks only if someone amazing becomes available, otherwise there's too many players of a similar calibre to Dalot and Shaw
- CB - the last thing we need is to spend £50m again on a CB. We do it every year, and wonder why they look shit when we don't do anything to fix the rest of the team
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Really it’s about 5-6 players all leaving and how we rebuild from that. I’m working on the assumption the Glazers won’t be giving ETH a blank chequebook and he’ll have to plan on improving a lot of current players and probably only adding a couple.

I think our starting XI next season will be.
——————————DDG————————
Dalot —— Lindelof— Varane —— Shaw
——————— Ward-Prowse ———————
—————— VdB ——— Fred ———————
Sancho —————————————— Bruno
——————— Richarlisson ———————

Maybe if we’re lucky Raphinha comes in as well.

Then I think if he does well, we’ll see RB, CB and LW/ST upgraded summer ‘23.
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Like your thinking. With those 2 signings, and VDB starting, we definitely won't have to worry about getting into Europe via the top 8 and thus can concentrate on getting 4th the year after.
 
Sandikan said:
Like your thinking. With those 2 signings, and VDB starting, we definitely won't have to worry about getting into Europe via the top 8 and thus can concentrate on getting 4th the year after.
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I genuinely think a good coach with a pre season could get top four with this group as long as they he a good enough DM and add an attacker. There are only two elite teams in the division and Chelsea are losing some key players + will have a new owner.
 
Short answer:

If I know most of the names we buy already, it's been a bad window. Hopefully 4-6 (relatively) cheap signings. If we get one mid priced young player like Antony or Tchouaméni at a decent price (and wage) then fair enough.

Key point: no multi week sagas (like Maguire and Fernandes (good as Fernandes has been)).
 
DM
CM
RB
RW

Not necessarily bothered about personnel, but if we can get genuine upgrades in each of these positions we should be okay next season.
 
Leaving/Sell;
Telles
AWB
Jones
Bailly
Matic
Mata
Martial
Greenwood
Cavani
Pogba
Lingard
Pereira

Promote/bring back from loan;
Garner
Garnacho
Amad
Pellestri
VDB

Buy;
RW (left footed)
RB (Dalot rival and hopefully better)
CB (Good injury record with Jones & Bailly gone)
DM (Matic replacement)
CM (Pogba replacement)
CF (Cavani replacement)
 
A right back, a holding midfielder and another forward (either a right sided player or a striker) are the 3 main areas I would like to see us add to this summer. Maybe there will be a 4th (another centre midfielder or another left back) but I would expect it to only be 3 given that we're going to be slightly behind other teams in terms of preparation for this summer and because it seems like the club struggles to do more than that in 1 window.

In terms of outgoings I wouldn't want us to keep any of the players whose contracts are running out, that's an easy way to trim the wage bill, and then see who Ten Hag doesn't fancy and who he thinks he can get more out of, there will definitely be players that we've written off that he might think he can develop and others that will stay just because so many of them are on such big money.
 
I'm a bit uncertain how fast ETH will act on the decisions on our current crop, though having Rangnick's experience from this spring might help speed things up. I think the following will leave this summer: Wan Bissaka, Bailly, Tuanzebe, Pogba, Matic, Mata, Pereira, Lingard, Cavani, (Greenwood also i suppose).
In addition, if he's trigger happy and we can get a deal sorted, i have a feeling he might get rid of DDG and either go for Henderson, or get a replacement. Rangnicks comments about GK being the only position we don't really need improvements suggests otherwise though.

Urgent replacements for this summer would be;
a DM: Not sold on Rice, so hope we go elsewhere. Frenkie De Jong would be amazing, but i'd be shocked if he came here.
a ST: Wouldn't be surprised if we went for Calwert-Lewin if Everton relegated, no other decent suggestions tbh
probably a RW: (doubt Amad/Pellestri will be good enough) Antony, Raphinha, Richarlison?

Also we might get another CM(#8), as i have a feeling he might want to try McTominay as a CB. That is 4 new acquisitions, i'd be surprised if we got more than that intended for first 11. Of course that would have to be accompanied by youngsters stepping up to make up numbers and to get a chance. The boys who have been on the bench lately are good alternatives (Mejbri, Garnacho, Fernandez, Shoretire), along with loanees Garner and Laird (and Williams, unless sold). But also maybe a surprise in D'Mani Mellor could get a chance as i think his profile would fit ETH, though i doubt he has the quality to make the step up. Could be quite a few others getting their debuts aswell i guess.

If nothing else it should be an interesting summer.
 
Getting rid of every single player, what is not good enough and bringing in at least 4 quality first team players.
 
giorno said:
Alisson, Alexander-Arnold, Robertson, Van Dijk, Fabinho, Bernardo Silva, Mane, Rodri, Thiago, Laporte, Cancelo

Sign those and you're gold :D

Speaking seriously, the most pressing needs are starting caliber RWB, LWB, two CMs. A quality backup forward, better if can cover multiple roles, and maybe a pacey CB if Varane really is broken. Not sure it's realistic though
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Definitely not realistic the absolute max we will get is DM, ST, CB and RB/RW
 
Tchouameni, De Jong, Timber, Malacia and Jonathan David would be a perfect, transformative window.
 
Two top CMs more than anything else. Our midfield has lacked quality for more than a decade. We can't play the style of football that we aspire for without controlling the midfield.
 
giorno said:
Alisson, Alexander-Arnold, Robertson, Van Dijk, Fabinho, Bernardo Silva, Mane, Rodri, Thiago, Laporte, Cancelo

Sign those and you're gold :D

Speaking seriously, the most pressing needs are starting caliber RWB, LWB, two CMs. A quality backup forward, better if can cover multiple roles, and maybe a pacey CB if Varane really is broken. Not sure it's realistic though
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Yup agree in general but I'd put RW near the top of the list along with the two CM spots.

I don't think Varane is broken, he's been excellent whenever he played. Just random unrelated injuries one after the other (Groin, Hamstring, COVID, Stomach bug ...).

I hope we go into the season with Maguire (assuming selling him is off the cards), Lindelof and Varane. 4th CB is important, so maybe we keep Bailly or sell him and get some additional cover.

Transfer noises seem to suggest we're prioritizing CB, so the club obviously thinks otherwise but let's see.
 
r3idy said:
Perfection is laregely subjective.

For me getting the right profile of player is the most important. The manager needs to define that profile without interference. So if he says we need two midfielders who are young, athletic and are not the finished article, an aged professional to slot in at the back and a late 20's forward to give some development space for Hugill and McNeill, then fine with me.

I think we will see around 8 players go out of the club and we will see between 6-8 come in

2x Permanent Priority signings
1x Free Transfer
3x U 23's to step up

Whatever is the process, if it stops some of the toxicity in our fan base, then no bad thing.
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Hopefully the free is Kamara
 
Assuming around "net" 150m budget:

OUT:

Lingard, Pogba, Bailly, Mata, Matic, AWB, Rashford, Telles

Would assume somewhere in the 60m range for these players

IN:

De Jong (60m), Malacia (20m), Tchouameni (50m), David (65m), Torres (40m)

Would come out to 175 net spend. Of course more sales could help or more probable we don't get all of those targets, but I think each player is realistic enough and that's probably the positions that most require sorting immediately. Our midfield especially would be fantastic with FDJ and Tchoua coming in for Pogba and Matic.

Realistically I'd be happy with buying multiple technical midfielders and a forward (doesn't have to be a striker necessarily). Probably need a defender too but not everything can be addressed at once I'd assume.
 
I don't understand the hype of Nunez. I have seen alot of people mention his name, I have seen alot of the same people mention Bruno's passing % as a problem.

Clearly, they have no idea about Nunez playstyle. Look at his passing numbers, they are terrible.

Would not want us to spend £70m for him.
 
If we actually go balls deep with the spending:

DM - Rice
AM/RW - Nkunku
CB/RB - Timber
LB - Any sexy hipster choice
ST - Nunez or that Napoli striker
Banter inclusion just because depth - Neves/Kamara

And to add to that, we get rid of the toxic PR merchants like Lingard, Pogba and Rashford, while also binning crap players like AWB and Maguire.

But that won't happen unfortunately.
 
If we could sign just one of Tchouameni or De Jong, it wouldn't be perfect but it would be pretty feckin great.

I hate getting my hopes up seeing rumored links to those two. I know, deep down, I should just accept that we will instead sign Philips from Leeds for an 80M fee and 300K / week wages.
 
  • Timber
  • Tchouameni
  • Antony
  • Gerard Moreno
  • Malacia
Sell or release:
  • Cavani
  • Martial
  • Lingard
  • Mata
  • Matic
  • Jones
  • Bailly
  • Henderson
  • Telles
  • Wan Bissaka
De Gea, Heaton
Timber, Dalot
Varane, Lindelof, Maguire, Mengi
Shaw, Malacia
Tchouameni, Fred, Mctominay, Garner
Bruno, VdB
Sancho, Antony, Rashford, Elanga
Ronaldo, Gerard Moreno


Frenkie de Jong too, but that's pushing it in top of these. Next year sign a LB/Gk/De Jong if possible to replace de Gea, Shaw, Fred from the starting 11.
 
Wre have missed out on the two best talents that would have improved us in Europe in Camavinga and Bellingham. For me the perfect summer rebuild is SEVERAL incomings and though there is nobody at the levels of the aforementioned, plenty of yougn players we have been linked with and plenty we havent. But £200m could buy:

LB Malacia £20m
CB Timber £45m
RB Spence £15m
DM Kamara Free
CM Caqueret £25m
RW Antony £45m
CF Giouri £50m

Something like that, anybody thinking adding 2/3 players even top ones to our squad is in jsut my opinion utterly deluded to how poor our first eleven is and a lot of the options behind them
 
-------------------De Gea-------------------
Timber--Varane--Maguire--Shaw
---------------Tchouameni---------------
---Fernandes------------Fred---
Sancho--------Nunez--------Ronaldo

Despite all the outgoings more than 4 signings seems unlikely so I've gone for only 3 new additions to the starting XI. I've never actually seen the 3 new players so this is based on rumours/CAF hype but based on that I'd be happy with those 3 as it fills 3 or 4 areas that need addressing (Timber I'm lead to believe can cover both RB and CB, long term CB)
 
CM - Rice
CM - Tielemans
FW - Nkunku
ST - Nunez
CB - Timber

Free

Eriksen
 
romufc said:
I don't understand the hype of Nunez. I have seen alot of people mention his name, I have seen alot of the same people mention Bruno's passing % as a problem.

Clearly, they have no idea about Nunez playstyle. Look at his passing numbers, they are terrible.

Would not want us to spend £70m for him.
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Is a strikers passing stats a problem? Usually they are running or pressing. Very few are expected to playing lots of passes. From the admittedly limited viewing of him he reminds me of a young Luis Suarez. Suarez didn’t look that special at a similar age but the work rate was there and the talent shone through in the following years.
 
sparx99 said:
Is a strikers passing stats a problem? Usually they are running or pressing. Very few are expected to playing lots of passes. From the admittedly limited viewing of him he reminds me of a young Luis Suarez. Suarez didn’t look that special at a similar age but the work rate was there and the talent shone through in the following years.
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He is miles off Suarez technically, ridiculous comparison.
 
Andrew7582 said:
He is miles off Suarez technically, ridiculous comparison.
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Very few people thought Suarez was all that when he was playing in Holland. Andy Caroll was talked up as the better signing when he joined Liverpool in the January window.

Nunez is 22 and having a breakout year. You’re buying the loyer he could be at 25 as much as the player you buy today.
 
sparx99 said:
Very few people thought Suarez was all that when he was playing in Holland. Andy Caroll was talked up as the better signing when he joined Liverpool in the January window.

Nunez is 22 and having a breakout year. You’re buying the loyer he could be at 25 as much as the player you buy today.
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That's not true at all, he looked a brilliant player at Ajax. People in the british media like Stan Collymore talked up Andy Carroll a lot, but anyone with half a clue knew who the better player was. You can give Nunez as much time as you want to develop, he'll never be as skilled as Suarez. He doesn't possess the innate natural talent of Suarez. You are talking about a player who was part of one of the greatest attacking trios ever (MSN), Nunez will never be on that level.
 
sparx99 said:
Very few people thought Suarez was all that when he was playing in Holland. Andy Caroll was talked up as the better signing when he joined Liverpool in the January window.

Nunez is 22 and having a breakout year. You’re buying the loyer he could be at 25 as much as the player you buy today.
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The hope is that he's Cavani 2.0, not Suarez 2.0

1 in 2 for Benfica is probably equal to 1 in 3 for Palermo and they both got going with Uruguay around the same time. He does seem to have a similar desire to run on the pitch which is nice. Though Cavani had 3 great season at Napoli before PSG spent 65M on him. We'd be doing that (with inflation a bit less maybe) before those seasons, and Napoli paid Palermo like 10-15M, so it's a much bigger risk. Though those 3 seasons at Napoli were so good it would have been fine in his case.
 
sparx99 said:
Is a strikers passing stats a problem? Usually they are running or pressing. Very few are expected to playing lots of passes. From the admittedly limited viewing of him he reminds me of a young Luis Suarez. Suarez didn’t look that special at a similar age but the work rate was there and the talent shone through in the following years.
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Yes, if you want to play a possession based game, it will be a problem if the striker cannot pass or hold up play. We all see clips of his goals, what about his all round game?

I will give you a classic example. Lukaku. United fans knew what his game is, we all knew he can score goals but still Chelsea fans got giddy because they saw clips of him scoring 20 goals at Inter.

You have to watch a striker when he is out of form as well to see what else he contributes to the team.
 
About 10 player to leave - We all know roughly who that is / should be.

Ins I'd like

Eriksen - Free
Kamara - Free
Lamptey - 50Mill
Nunez - 70Mill
Rice - 80Mill
Timber?? - 30Mill

= 230Million

I don't know much about Timber but he also looks likely based on ETH and the obvious Ajax connection.

It's a big window but doesn't seem too outrageous considering the number of players leaving and a couple of free transfers on the list. I'd imagine bet spend would be under 200 Million. It's a big investment but I think would be more than worth it.
 
Perfect? We sign six first team players and a bunch of exciting wonderkids for reasonable fees all of who are an instant success, transforming our style of play and mentality. Creating a team of likeable players comparable to Fergie’s best United squads which leads to decade of domestic and European domination under the new manager. Well you did say perfect.
 
Ali Dia said:
Getting rid of Martial Pogba Lingard Rashford (not likely I know) Henderson Cavani Williams Matic Tuanzebe Telles Donny Mata and Pereira. AWB can go too if he’s not happy. That should get us the funds to get 3 more starters and free up a crazy amount off the wage bill. It should literally be halved. Over the next few windows I’d like to see

Rice or Tchouaméni for DM
Anthony for RW
Darwin for ST
Playmaking but pressing box to box midfielder like Bellingham
Creative intense and energetic RB and LB
World class potential youngish CB
Phasing out DDG for future world class GK who is commanding brave and good with his feet.

Paul Mitchell and whatever staff he needs

Some world class coaches with ETH hopefully

That should see us well on our way.

In a year or two be something like

Ddg
Rb Varane Young Cb Lb
Tchouaméni
Bellingham
Antony Bruno Sancho
Darwin
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Think you’re spot on here, the inclusion of youth players included.
 
I think this is by far the most broken squad we have had since SAF left, even worse than after Moyes. We have a completely broken midfield, no defender that deserves to start (maybe Varane if he gets back to his best), and are completely dependent on a 37 years old upfront.

So much for the culture that Ole created and the building of a squad.

So I think we need a hard reset. At the very minimum, we need a right back, 2 or so midfielders, and a right-winger. So I think we would need to target these positions during this summer. However, there is almost no position where we cannot improve (maybe the left-winger is the only one considering that with time Sancho should be very good).
 
romufc said:
Yes, if you want to play a possession based game, it will be a problem if the striker cannot pass or hold up play. We all see clips of his goals, what about his all round game?

I will give you a classic example. Lukaku. United fans knew what his game is, we all knew he can score goals but still Chelsea fans got giddy because they saw clips of him scoring 20 goals at Inter.

You have to watch a striker when he is out of form as well to see what else he contributes to the team.
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That's true; I just wonder what top forwards look like in comparison. If center mids having 90% pass completion is great where do you want a no9 to fall. You'd expect them to be a bit lower as their passes are in the final third more often as they try to link up.
 
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