What would be an acceptable offer for Pogba?

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Cant see this being anymore than a smokescreen and mirrors for a new deal. Fair enough hes got the hump with Mou and the brand of football but he and his agent are clever enough to know that they will outlast Mou.

Hes come back as Mr big bollocks then all of a sudden Sanchez is ambling around the pitch on double his money!! He, his agent and his ego aren't having this so want at least parity with the top earner if not more.
 
P-Nut0712 said:
If Coutinho is going for 140m then Pogba is worth around 200
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Also considering how much Dembele went for last year and how much Lazio want for Savic, that has to be the benchmark.
Pogba cannot be valued at anything less than £150M

If Juve or Barcelona are talking of using players as part exchange, then they must be first teamers, not just surplus squad players.
The likes of Sandro, Dybala not the likes of Mina or Gomes...!!
 
theriddler said:
United should only sell if:...use that 150-160 million pound asset to get 2-3 top quality players (well if you do a deal with Juve you should at least try for Sandro and Pjanic), you come out with a more complete squad already.
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Not going to quote your whole post, but I absolutely agree.
Let's not forget that Martial is also in the same position as Pogba, and he should have a market value of £70M or so.
 
In this market, I think he is worth around £200 million to us.

£100 million plus Dembele from Barca would be acceptable in my eyes, although he'd probably have the same problems as Pogba and Martial whilst Jose is here.
 
It would be an indictment of the club if he were to leave for a second time. Practically speaking though, I always view these situations at the end game. If the offer had come earlier in the window and we had achievable targets, I would usually take 3 top quality players over 1 superstar. Frankly speaking, 1 superstar never won a league, but 3 top quality players can transform a side.

At this point in the window however, nothing can be done. Perhaps in the coming year, if he's desperate to go, we can negotiate with Barca to get a deal that works for us.
 
JPRouve said:
But we grossly overpaid in 2016. In my opinion.
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I don't know why you continue saying so. We saw Coutinho and Dembele among others going for even more. I understand that you think that they went for more than their value, but if every player goes for more than your evaluation of him, maybe there is something wrong with your evaluation of players.
 
Revan said:
I don't know why you continue saying so. We saw Coutinho and Dembele among others going for even more. I understand that you think that they went for more than their value, but if every player goes for more than your evaluation of him, maybe there is something wrong with your evaluation of players.
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Not every player goes for more than my valuation(which has no value by the way) that's the thing. Coutinho and Dembélé are two transfers done in a peculiar context, Dembélé was a late transfer instigated by the fact that Neymar bought "himself" out of his contract, the 220m that Barcelona got, put a target on their back but that target is linked to a specific context. The same summer Bernardo Silva who isn't an inferior player to Dembélé went for almost half the price, Salah for half the price, Lemar who has been a better player than Bernardo for Monaco went for a similar type of fee this summer. The problem isn't with me here, it's with people using the most far fetched fees ignoring that similar players have been dealt in the same market for far less.
 
JPRouve said:
Not every player goes for more than my valuation(which has no value by the way) that's the thing. Coutinho and Dembélé are two transfers done in a peculiar context, Dembélé was a late transfer instigated by the fact that Neymar bought "himself" out of his contract, the 220m that Barcelona got, put a target on their back but that target is linked to a specific context. The same summer Bernardo Silva who isn't an inferior player to Dembélé went for almost half the price, Salah for half the price, Lemar who has been a better player than Bernardo for Monaco went for a similar type of fee this summer. The problem isn't with me here, it's with people using the most far fetched fees ignoring that similar players have been dealt in the same market for far less.
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Those players that you mentioned weren't really supposed to become that great. No one mentioned Salah as a potential BPOTW player, while people have been overhyping Dembele for a few years now. Last summer, he got hyped almost as much as Mbappe. Then there is Coutinho - whom while not as good as Pogba, and definitely not as marketable - went for quite more than Pogba. Lukaku went for 75 + 15m last summer too, Bilbao's keeper who has 1.5 years in a top league is going for 80m pounds, Higuain who was 29 yo went for 90m+ euros, Liverpool signed a defender who has never played in a top comeptition be it UCL, Europa, World Cup or Euros for 75m pounds, Bale went for same amount of money 5 years ago, PSG signed an 19 (or was it 18) years old kid for significantly more. The list is endless, but it is Pogba whom we overpayed. Do you work for Sun or Daily Mail perhaps?

Pogba is one of the best and most marketable players in the world, whom just won the World Cup being very good at it, and who has another 4 years on his contract. We can ask whatever we want for him, and Neymar's money is what the first offer should be. While Pogba is not as good as Neymar, Neymar went for that 'low' cause of that clause, otherwise no way in hell Barca would have sold him for 222m euros.

Club's revenues have increases and so have the players prices. Most clubs don't want to sell (just see for Maguire), so there isn't much you can do with 100m or whatever you think is Pogba's price. At best, you can get a significantly worse player like SMS. If Barca want business, put there Dembele, Rakitic and cash and we start talking.
 
Revan said:
Those players that you mentioned weren't really supposed to become that great. No one mentioned Salah as a potential BPOTW player, while people have been overhyping Dembele for a few years now. Last summer, he got hyped almost as much as Mbappe. Then there is Coutinho - whom while not as good as Pogba, and definitely not as marketable - went for quite more than Pogba. Lukaku went for 75 + 15m last summer too, Bilbao's keeper who has 1.5 years in a top league is going for 80m pounds, Higuain who was 29 yo went for 90m+ euros, Liverpool signed a defender who has never played in a top comeptition be it UCL, Europa, World Cup or Euros for 75m pounds, Bale went for same amount of money 5 years ago, PSG signed an 19 (or was it 18) years old kid for significantly more. The list is endless, but it is Pogba whom we overpayed. Do you work for Sun or Daily Mail perhaps?

Pogba is one of the best and most marketable players in the world, whom just won the World Cup being very good at it, and who has another 4 years on his contract. We can ask whatever we want for him, and Neymar's money is what the first offer should be. While Pogba is not as good as Neymar, Neymar went for that 'low' cause of that clause, otherwise no way in hell Barca would have sold him for 222m euros.

Club's revenues have increases and so have the players prices. Most clubs don't want to sell (just see for Maguire), so there isn't much you can do with 100m or whatever you think is Pogba's price. At best, you can get a significantly worse player like SMS. If Barca want business, put there Dembele, Rakitic and cash and we start talking.
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And I think that it's where my opinion is better ignored on that point I guess because I don't rate Pogba as high as some in here do. I don't think that he is great or that he is going to be great, I think that he is in Pjanic-Rakitic bracket the only difference is that he is hyped up to the extreme.
 
JPRouve said:
And I think that it's where my opinion is better ignored on that point I guess because I don't rate Pogba as high as some in here do. I don't think that he is great or that he is going to be great, I think that he is in Pjanic-Rakitic bracket the only difference is that he is hyped up to the extreme.
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Why? Why the entire world chose some random player to hype him to the extreme? Has this happened with some other player, ever?
 
I'd peg it at €160m.

More than for Coutinho (don't think he is a better player though), but he's not in Neymar territory.

The only thing that has added to his value since he signed for you is the market going tits up really.
 
No offer is acceptable for Pogba this summer. If he really feel unhappy, we should tell him the grow the feck up. We didn't spend £89m to bring him back for him to feck off two summers later. Pogba and Lukaku most ditch their fat cancer of an agent or stuff like this will keep happening every summer.
 
I think he's probably worth around £130m and provided that it were reinvested I'd have no problem with him leaving.

He's never been on the level that Coutinho was at prior to his transfer so I'd be surprised to receive £140m+. A more proven player such as Eriksen would also be attainable at a lesser fee and with lower wages, even more-so if his contract situation isn't resolved in the next 6 months.
 
Revan said:
Why? Why the entire world chose some random player to hype him to the extreme? Has this happened with some other player, ever?
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He isn't random, you don't have to go to the other extreme. Pogba is a very good player but he isn't the best midfielder and has never been close to it. And you mentioned Dembélé yourself as a player that was overhyped, in sport you will always have players that are given more coverage than others it doesn't mean that they are better.
 
finneh said:
I think he's probably worth around £130m and provided that it were reinvested I'd have no problem with him leaving.

He's never been on the level that Coutinho was at prior to his transfer so I'd be surprised to receive £140m+. A more proven player such as Eriksen would also be attainable at a lesser fee and with lower wages, even more-so if his contract situation isn't resolved in the next 6 months.
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In what fecking universe Eriksen is a more proven player than Pogba?

Team achievements:
Pogba: 3 titles in Serie A, World Cup winner, Euros runner up, UCL runners up being integral in all of them
Eriksen: 4 titles in Eredivisie (being integral in all of them)

Individual achievements:
Pogba: Serie A team of the year (x3), FIFA World Cup best young player (2014), UEFA team of the year (2015), FIFPro XI first team (2015), FIFPro XI second team (2016, 2017), FIFPro XI third team (2014), Ballon D'Or 15th place (2015), Ballon D'Or 14th place (2016), Ballon D'Or 22nd place (2014), EL team of the year (2017)
Eriksen: EPL team of the year, Spurs player of the year (x2).

Again, how exactly Eriksen is a more proven player? When did United, City, Real and Barca fought to sign Eriksen?
 
JPRouve said:
He isn't random, you don't have to go to the other extreme. Pogba is a very good player but he isn't the best midfielder and has never been close to it. And you mentioned Dembélé yourself as a player that was overhyped, in sport you will always have players that are given more coverage than others it doesn't mean that they are better.
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Of course he has been close to it. He was on FIFA's world XI not long ago.

He isn't the best CM in the world, I grant you that. Modric is. After him though, there aren't many, if any better CM than Pogba.

Dembele was overhyped cause he has potential to become BPOTW. Potential. Pogba is already one of world's best players.
 
This late in the transfer window just money is no good to us.
Barcelona Coutinho & Dembele, £150m + Dembele or £100m + Coutinho
Juventus Dybala, Pjanic & Sandro, £100M + Dybala or £150m + Pjanic & Sandro
 
Revan said:
Of course he has been close to it. He was on FIFA's world XI not long ago.

He isn't the best CM in the world, I grant you that. Modric is. After him though, there aren't many, if any better CM than Pogba.

Dembele was overhyped cause he has potential to become BPOTW. Potential. Pogba is already one of world's best players.
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Like I told you, for me he is in the Pjanic-Rakitic bracket, there isn't much to say outside of that.
 
Pogba' s value on this thread is anything from 90M to 225M and that's the problem as a player, he is as divisive as Jose is as a Manager. Here are some simple facts to establish his true current value to the club;

  • Currently Pogba has a 3+1 contract with United
  • He is currently 25 and not yet reached his peak
  • Has already delivered on the international stage in 2 World Cups and 1 European Championship
  • He also proved with Juventus in a slower league that he is a big game player in a triple wining Title team and was a key player in Juventus reaching the Champions League final
  • He was Europa League player of the year with United wining the title in 2017
  • Was instrumental with a goal and an assist in this years World Cup Final
  • He clearly has all the tools to dominate the Premier League physically but after the death of his Father, his mentality was questioned when very few from within the club or the media showed any sympathy or understanding to how this may have had a serious effect on his ability to play his best football!
  • He has genuine leadership qualities as proven in the team talk during the World Cup Final

When you weigh up all the above and then realise the Club would have less than 30 hours to replace him, he's probably worth £200M in this current market and not a penny less!
 
We payed 105. Add wages and bonusses. It is 150. He is world superstar, adidas brand who brings you money outside of pitch also. He is 25, world cup champion. It really sounds ridiculous but 220mil is minimum.

As i said in other thread. Only offer which is good for me and i would take it is rakitic pkus dembele plus 50 mil. Rakitic is not worse player than pogba and dembele would solve right wing position .
 
SER19 said:
If an under performing player, with more style than substance so far, with a shit bag agent, decides to leave united for a second time, goes ahead of the manager it will be an extremely dark day?

Wow, player power is at its peak
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That's your skewed interpretation of it. You're calling his agent a shit bag but if you look at the situation without attaching your emotions to it he's just doing his job. His prized asset is clearly unhappy under the current management and in that case the agent has to make the right call which is to take actions that benefit his client. And Pogba has more style than substance... explains how France won the World Cup with him in playing in midfield and shining throughout. Must be one hell of a style he's got. And funny how you use all these adjectives on Pogba and his agent whilst only mentioning 'the manager'. The same man who's looked like a miserable git coaching us for the last two years, takes regular digs at our players and even the prestige of our club. It would be best to look at this with an open mind.
 
I would say that the going rate is about £200.
Andycoleno9 said:
We payed 105. Add wages and bonuses. It is 150. He is world superstar, Adidas brand who brings you money outside of pitch also. He is 25, world cup champion. It really sounds ridiculous but 220mil is minimum.

As i said in other thread. Only offer which is good for me and i would take it is rakitic pkus dembele plus 50 mil. Rakitic is not worse player than pogba and dembele would solve right wing position .
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Agreed, and he has a 3+1 year contract. It is arguable that the transfer market has slowed since last season, but that is because the big 2 Spanish teams have not spent any real money yet IMO. Once Madrid starts their rebuild, the real money should come out IMO. It is a shame we have these stupid transfer window rules in England.
 
He's not even worth as much as Coutinho based on performances in the PL.
 
Pogba is 25 years of age,has 3 years left on his contract and just won the World Cup with France (where he played great)
He is our most marketable player and his best years are ahead of him + the transfer market is insane these days.
I wouldnt sell for anything less £200mill.
 
I genuinely think he just doesn't fancy the PL. He moved to Serie A and played in a dominant team, probably loved winning without having to battle it our every week and could chill out on the summer whilst getting into all his off the field activities. He's come back to United, thinking he's the best thing since sliced bread and realized every week you're up against it, even with the smaller teams. Jose is a good manager, however divisive, and we got 81pts last season and were nowhere near the title. Just don't think it's for him.

Barca or RM, Bayern, Juve, PSG - these are the teams for him. Trophies every year, less competitive domestic season, better weather = chilled Pog

Just give us Messi, simples
 
If Real think 33 year old Modric is £600m for maybe 2 years value then Pogba with 10 years value is about £2.5bn!
 
P-Nut0712 said:
I'd want Dembele and Rakitic plus 50m.

If Coutinho is going for 140m then Pogba is worth around 200
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I understand your sentiment and based on his WC performances I might agree, but if you take a look at his performances for UTD the past two years then UTD should be ecstatic if they got their money back and a bit more. Just to put things into a bit of perspective, Ronaldo went for 100mil. Coutinho went for 140 but Coutinho's performances for Liverpool were one hell of a lot better than those of Pogba in a UTD shirt.
Please don't get me wrong, I would like to see Pogba stay and I am sure another manager would get Pogba playing on hell of a lot better than Jose has ever done.
 
Revan said:
In what fecking universe Eriksen is a more proven player than Pogba?

Team achievements:
Pogba: 3 titles in Serie A, World Cup winner, Euros runner up, UCL runners up being integral in all of them
Eriksen: 4 titles in Eredivisie (being integral in all of them)

Individual achievements:
Pogba: Serie A team of the year (x3), FIFA World Cup best young player (2014), UEFA team of the year (2015), FIFPro XI first team (2015), FIFPro XI second team (2016, 2017), FIFPro XI third team (2014), Ballon D'Or 15th place (2015), Ballon D'Or 14th place (2016), Ballon D'Or 22nd place (2014), EL team of the year (2017)
Eriksen: EPL team of the year, Spurs player of the year (x2).

Again, how exactly Eriksen is a more proven player? When did United, City, Real and Barca fought to sign Eriksen?
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Eriksen is more proven in the sense that he's been one of the best players in the Premier League consistently for 3-4 seasons. The only thing Pogba has consistently been over the past few seasons is inconsistent. The latter has been hyped up beyond all belief due to at a young age being a part of two very good teams who've dominated.

Stick Eriksen in the midfield of Juventus and France at the age of 19 and he'd shine similarly. If Eriksen had signed for Juventus at 19 years old and Pogba would've left us for Spurs, the fanfare along with those accolades would be reversed.

If 100 people watched the last 100 performances of Eriksen and Pogba and had no prejudice in terms of each players' media profiles... The vast majority in my opinion would be talking about a 9 figure fee for the former and would be saying "if he vastly improved his decision making he'd be a really good player" regarding the latter. Eriksen plays like a 26 year old great player, Pogba still plays like a potentially great 17 year old.
 
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