Pogba is not a player you build a team around. He's not Ronaldo/Messi.
What would be an acceptable offer for Pogba?
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Pogba is not a player you build a team around. He's not Ronaldo/Messi.
£150m+ given his contract and recent WC win.
Should the rest of the teams in the world just go home? Madrid were built around Zidane, who, quelle horreur, was a midfield player. Why would you not build around the most gifted midfielder of his generation?
He can be a match winner, and can drive a team to trophies, he clearly has the ability. As a United fan, I'm sure you think that Pogba is at worst as talented as Gerrard, correct?
Well, for all his faults and all the hatred he gets (of course this is expected from United fans, just as LFC fans hate Rooney), Gerrard drove a less talented squad of players to multiple trophies, with less able managers at the helm, poorer team mates (by a mile), and far lower investment, even accounting for transfer inflation. Why can't Pogba be that player for United?
Coutinho went for 140 million and Pogba is better and just won the world cup. 200 million minimum.
Madrid didn't build around Zidane entirely. They built their team around a galactico policy and it failed overall. Zidane in his last 2 seasons at Real started to seriously wane before a swansong at the 2006 WC.
Pogba being as talented as Gerrard or not is irrelevant. I wouldn't build my team around players like that.
Pogba is better served as the cog in a functioning machine than as the singular main piece.
coutinho went for close to 150 so starting price for pogba would be like 180
Barcelona: Umtiti/Dembele + Umtiti (Only Dembele would be interested in a move, and would not function with our current tactics.)
Juventus: Dybala + £50m
Cash: £200m now or175m during the winter window. Next summer we would have changed manager and he would be willing to wait to check out the new trainer.
Juventus: Dybala + £50m
Cash: £200m now or175m during the winter window. Next summer we would have changed manager and he would be willing to wait to check out the new trainer.
250 mil plus Rakitic on loan for 2 years
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No bid would be acceptable. Money is useless to us. We get overcharged anyway. We are not a selling club. However if we could get two top players in exchange? That kind of thing could be good but money isn't because i'm not convinced we would make the best of it for the team. I think when we sold Ronaldo, we showed we just wanted the money and to make a profit...when we should have got Robben as part of the deal but it's easy to say. So no fee is acceptable really. We're not business people we're supporters. We don't care about profit. We want the best team possible.
Ravel was super talented but unless that transmits to performances on the pitch then it's worthless.
For my money, Gerrard far better player (ditto the likes of Yaya)
Interesting thread. From my perspective as supporter of a rival team, I’d much rather Pogba stay than Mourinho get 150m odd and reinvest in other players. Pogba (in my opinion) has underwhelmed considering his world record fee. 95 games, 15 goals, 18 assists and generally considered indisciplined playing in central midfield. Perhaps it is intangibles he possesses not easily measured by stats that Man Utd fans value so highly? Not looking to WUM here; just curious as to what specifically fans of the club see in his game besides talent and potential to value him so highly, 2 full seasons after buying him.
200 million.
100m + dembele, and enough time to sign a replacement.
If you could get Dembele + Mateo Kovacic + 50 million for Pogba would you do it?
Spend the 50m plus more on a gun Central defender and it should improve our squad.
If you could get Dembele + Mateo Kovacic + 50 million for Pogba would you do it?
Spend the 50m plus more on a gun Central defender and it should improve our squad.
Zero. You just can’t sell Pogba at this stage.
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Are you on drugs?
Pogba is not worth any of those deals
Wouldn't take them in exchange for Pogba, no way.
Are you on drugs?
Pogba is not worth any of those deals
We are about 36 hours from the close of the window, where do you think we are going to get a replacement for him at this late stage? At this moment of time he is absolutely worth that much to us. He is a world cup winner now. He excelled and was generally considered one of the best players in the tournament. Finally showing signs of maturing and fulfilling his massive potential. The only way for him from here on is up.
We once sold Ronaldo for £80m, a fee at the time thought to be pretty significant. Now 9 seasons later Real sold him for 100m Euros @age of 33 after he won them 4 champions league titles and won himself 4 BPITW awards. Don't want it to happen again.
For me he is nontransferable. Though if someone is desperate, then we should make them pay through the nose.
Edit: Customary
. I am going to laugh my heart out too at someone who doesn't think Pogba is worth that much.
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Id take rakitic and dembele.
In monetary terms given the prices going about, id say 180m. I feel many are scared of losing the potential of pogba. If his performance level doesnt improve we could even end up regretting not selling. If he realises his potential hes a world beater but thats an if.
In monetary terms given the prices going about, id say 180m. I feel many are scared of losing the potential of pogba. If his performance level doesnt improve we could even end up regretting not selling. If he realises his potential hes a world beater but thats an if.
Given that Darmian is basically a non-factor, you wouldn’t trade Pogba for Dybala, Sandro, Pjanic and Mandzukic?
Jose got a pretty good deal off Zlatan when he went to Barcelona. I'd need an equally one sided move. Given we've got keepers going for 70 million :
Dembele
Umtiti
100 million
Dembele
Umtiti
100 million
I admit I was wrong about Pogba - I didn't think he was world-class. But after watching him for France I realized - it was just us that couldn't get the best out of him.
So If I understand you correctly we might regret not selling Pogba if he fails to realise his potential but would trade him for Rakitic and Dembele, One player whose best days might be behind him and another youngster though immensely talented with limited body of work who is yet to show he could even cut it at the highest level and is just pure potential at the moment , don't you think there are contradictions in your post.
Something close to 200M
If it ever comes to the point where Pogba leaves before Mourinho - it will be an extremely dark day for the club.
No. On the basis that if pogba actually wants to leave he should be let go as soon as possible. If so, then rakitic is a quality midfielder who i think would work well and dembele is unproven but potentially a great talent in an area we need strengthening.
Forget about his name, his transfer fee and all that goes with him- performance based only pogba has been largely poor, sometimes good and sometimes great. He is absolutely not irreplaceable. I hope ge stays and commits and hits a high level, but given a crystal ball if we're going to get 2-3 years of massive inconsistency and then sell for a low fee id get rid and take my chances with those 2 players, or the money and rebuild.
Personally i wonder how long can a player go talking about potential.
Why would any top level player want to come to United right now? Dybala for instance has said that recently that he wants Pogba back at Juve. How is that supposed to work? Besides most of these players would be taking a step down by joining us (just like Pogba himself did in 2016) are they up for that challenge and would they stay motivated? I'd rather invest in the best young upcoming talents that in time we can turn into superstars instead of ready made superstars. Someone mentioned Ndombele. That's the sort of player we need. We need committed players.
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200M sounds fair. Don't want to lose him, but he is not irreplaceable, IMO. We should not keep unhappy player who doesn't give a shit about our club and want to leave twice. One less snake Raiola player sounds good to me too.
If an under performing player, with more style than substance so far, with a shit bag agent, decides to leave united for a second time, goes ahead of the manager it will be an extremely dark day?
Wow, player power is at its peak
More than Coutinho but less then Mbappe.
For me, an initial value somewhere around 115 mill, with add-ons to a total of 150'ish. The 115 mill would have to include a centre-mid to make me even look at the offer.
If both Rakitic and Pjanic are worth 40 mill in this market we'd be looking at the following:
To Barcelona for Rakitic + 75 mill + add-ons
To Juventus for Pjanic + 75 mill + add-ons.
The realist in me doesn't think that we're going to threaten City this season, and a firing Pjanic or Rakitic negates a sad wantaway Pogba. I genuinely think we can still have a great season without Pogba, as long as he's replaced and we use the extra Pogba money to buy a second centre-back.
In: Alderweireld, Maguire, Pjanic/Rakitic, Right winger
Out: Rojo, Jones, Darmian, Pogba.
It is sad though, I thought Pogba would be a Man United lifer once he came back to us.
For me, an initial value somewhere around 115 mill, with add-ons to a total of 150'ish. The 115 mill would have to include a centre-mid to make me even look at the offer.
If both Rakitic and Pjanic are worth 40 mill in this market we'd be looking at the following:
To Barcelona for Rakitic + 75 mill + add-ons
To Juventus for Pjanic + 75 mill + add-ons.
The realist in me doesn't think that we're going to threaten City this season, and a firing Pjanic or Rakitic negates a sad wantaway Pogba. I genuinely think we can still have a great season without Pogba, as long as he's replaced and we use the extra Pogba money to buy a second centre-back.
In: Alderweireld, Maguire, Pjanic/Rakitic, Right winger
Out: Rojo, Jones, Darmian, Pogba.
It is sad though, I thought Pogba would be a Man United lifer once he came back to us.
Nothing is enough, simply because of the fact that not only is there not enough time now to find a replacement but he wouldn't have a pre-season to adjust with the new team.
Pogba should be told to simply pipe down, be professional and play the season. If he still wants to leave at the end of the season he can and United in the meantime can scout possible replacements.
Pogba should be told to simply pipe down, be professional and play the season. If he still wants to leave at the end of the season he can and United in the meantime can scout possible replacements.
I would rather keep him and sack Mourinho.
Pogba really isn’t worth what people are saying here.
We would be lucky to get anything more than 120 million for him
We would be lucky to get anything more than 120 million for him
I'd take dembele plus cash but again dembele under Jose can be a train wreck.
So about 200 million but not sure where we would go with that this late in the window.
So about 200 million but not sure where we would go with that this late in the window.
If we sell Pogba and don't bring in at least 2 players of considerable quality in exchange I'll actually jump on the crazy train. Until then Im looking forward to a new season. Fecking transfer windows..
No point in getting money for him, we'd just get fleeced by other clubs. The moment they know United get 150+ for Pogba, even charlie Adam would suddenly cost 70m for us.
Dembele and rakitic plus 100 million
175m for Pogba... same guy that played like two good game last season.
time to cash in on this clown while his stock is at meteoric levels.
better than Coutinho, what a laugh that is.
time to cash in on this clown while his stock is at meteoric levels.
better than Coutinho, what a laugh that is.
I'd take him for Suarez.. Nah just kidding but that would be funny
Huge Pogba fan but If he were to leave and we could get Dembele, Rakitic and Mina then it may actually be a lot better for us. I might be wrong but I've recently been thinking that we may be planning on using Bailly as a right back in the coming season as that's why we are looking for a CB.
De Gea
Bailly Mina Jones/smalling Young/Dalot
Matic
Fred Rakitic
Dembele Sanchez
Lukaku
For me that actually looks a much more balanced team. Bailly maybe becoming the new Ivanovic?
De Gea
Bailly Mina Jones/smalling Young/Dalot
Matic
Fred Rakitic
Dembele Sanchez
Lukaku
For me that actually looks a much more balanced team. Bailly maybe becoming the new Ivanovic?
We'd have to get special dispensation from the PL allowing him to wear a muzzle, but I can go with that....
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