What do we still need? Post Summer 2015 edition.

"Sky sources also understand United will be heavily active in the transfer market next summer, but will not be drawn into spending big money in the upcoming January transfer window."

Thank feck.

I actually think this summer will be our biggest spending window ever.

We need at least 3, if not 4, top draw players.

Kane, Stones, Griezmann and Mane would be good.

Get rid of Fellaini, Rooney, Jones, etc.
that would be a spectacular window, although I do think LVG will look at a left footed CB before ever spending 50m on another right footer
 
I can understand that we aren't planning big for January and instead looking at the summer, if we are looking for a striker and a box to box CM then those will have to wait.

I do think that if there is no plan to go for Stone then we should look at a mid 20's utility defender though as we are running short and 3 of the injuries seem like they are going to take quite a bit of time.

I do hope we trying to bring in a left footed attacker to play on the right though, our options there are too limited. Whether we go for a PL player like Mahrez or try for another Martial type deal and sign Sane, I think it's imperative to add there in January if we can.
 
Gundogan, Meyer, Stones... as a start.

And then look for an absolute game-changer for up top. Like Griezmann.

Tielemans too.
 
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Stones, Reus, Gundogan and Guardiola would be perfect.

DDG, Smalling, Shaw, Schneidirlinn, Memphis, Mata and Martial are good enough and most of them will continue to improve.
 
I like a transfer as much as the next muppet but I don't see us going crazy in the summer, I actually don't see us making a CB move at all unless Rojo gets the boot.

I think we should be expecting to get more next season out of Martial and Memphis and hopefully players like McNair, Varela, Pereira and CBJ continue to progress at the club.

If we started next season with the below line-up I'd be happy.

 
We need to splash the cash this January in order to get the things right asap.

We need another central defender partnering Smalling in order to let Blind playing as left back. I would like to see Jones there, but we all know that he will be injured at least 3 months from January to May.... Here I think that the decision about letting Evans leave was wrong. I wasn't a fan of him, but we should know that we couldn't count on Jones either.

We need another defensive midfielder like Carrick, because we're short in quality here, if we consider Herrera highe ron the pitch. We need a younger and better Carrick in order to have a good duo, we must have a good 6 and a good 8.

We absolutely need another RIGHT WINGER ! No discussion about that

Who is obtainable this January ???????
Who will like to play in an Europa League club ?????
 
The club has to do some business in January,even if we are paying over the odds.
 
I think all we are realistically aiming for is second or third. I think a third place finish would be fantastic given the quality and thinness of the squad.

I can't even quantify he sort of numbers at market rates it would take to close the gap on the big euro 3 - our peers.
 
I can't even quantify he sort of numbers at market rates it would take to close the gap on the big euro 3 - our peers.

I'll take a crack.

Both teams have an incredible first XI with the weakest starters being still very, very good players like Rakitic, Bravo/Ter Stegen, Lahm (has aged), Javi Martinez and Xabi Alonso. I mean, those are mostly great players. In addition to those XI, Barca have a solid 2nd back 4 once Vidal becomes eligible, Turan, Rafinha, Sergi Roberto, Munir and Sandro.

Not the most experienced but lots of talent. Bayern have even better depth with (what I'm calling) their first XI and then Lahm, Benatia, Bernat, Ribery, Gotze and then extremely highly rated youth in Coman and Kimmich. Christ, what a squad.

Either way, both sides have basically flawless first XIs and then 3-5 other very, very good players and then a couple youth sprinkled in. So about 15-16 top players.

Next season, and I know this list won't be agreed by everyone, but I think the the following players can be expected to be at that level:

Starters: Martial, Herrera, Smalling, Shaw, De Gea
Depth: Mata, Memphis, Blind, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Darmian + Youth (Wilson, Lingard, Januzaj, McNair, Pereira)

So, that leaves us needing 6 starters, but there is enough DM depth to gamble on Schneiderlin or Blind there, so let's say 5. The bench looks in good shape with a good variety of players comfortable coming every position except goalkeeper, really.

Fees are impossible to guess but if we assume 100M for the 2 attackers with one around 60-70 and the other a better value at 30-40, then 40M for the box to box midfielder, 20M for the RB and another 40M for Smalling's partner, that's 200M + Wages

On the other hand, we could generate solid money by selling some of Rooney (more about his wages being gone), Fellaini, Young, Valencia, Rojo, Jones and Valdes.

Our injury record seems to always be bad. Not sure if that's an England fixtures thing. If so, let's say some versatile defensive depth in the form of Rojo or Jones should be kept around. In midfield and attack we have youth who can perform about as well as the veterans, so the same caution is not required.

I'd say we can get about 40M for that whole lot with Fellaini and whichever of Rojo/Jones goes generating most of it. So, the answer is roughly 200M if all our signings work out. More realistically, if 2 of the 5 fail and are sold at half their value and replacement for the same amount are bought, we're about 220-240M away from having a squad comparable with the big 3.
 
...we're about 220-240M away from having a squad comparable with the big 3.

To buy Messi, Neymar and Suarez (or their equivalents), will cost £300M+.
And that does not include any midfielders or defenders.
The £40M-£50M for each attacker, you have quoted, would leave us weak upfront, compared with the big 3.

£220-£240M will bring us to the level of Man City's squad.
£400M will bring us to the level of the big 3's squad (Barca, Madrid, Bayern).
 
Let's put aside the ridiculous names such as Ronaldo, Neymar, Bale and Muller. Server space is too valuable to waste on such speculation.

We're talking next summer, not January, right? Right.

Unless we win the league trophy, I really don't see the point in letting Louis have a third and effectively lame duck season. Thank him for his services, but cut him loose. The options are Guardiola, Ancelotti I would add for consideration Simeone, but let's have that discussion on another thread. Maybe I'll start it myself.

So let's focus on players.

As painful as it may be, we need to cut Rooney, Fellaini and Mata loose. How? I don't know as I can't see very many clubs interested in Rooney and Fellaini, though we should be able to sell Mata for 20m. All at massive losses, I know, but we can't be held hostage to the fear of taking losses on players as we sell them, or in the case of Rooney, give him away.

Greizmann as Rooney's replacement.
Mane as Mata's replacement.
No replacement for Fellaini.
Laporte as CB to effectively replace Blind.

Between those three we could expect the cumulative transfer fees to be around 150m, maybe a bit less, but certainly not that much more. I can't speculated on wages, but if we can clear out Rooney's 300k/week wage we should be able to accommodate whatever it will take to bring those three new wage earners in.

Assuming we can keep De Gea we have this:

Keepers
De Gea, Romero, Johnstone (assume we finally release Valdes)

Defenders
Darmian, Varela and Valencia at right back.
Smalling, Laporte, Jones, Rojo and McNair as CBs.
Shaw, Borthwick-Jackson as first choice left backs, with Darmian, Rojo and Blind always available during the inevitable injury crisis.

Central midfielders
Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Blind, Herrera and Carrick, which is arguably a bit thin and long in the tooth.

Wide midfielders
Mane, Memphis, Lingard, Young and Januzaj, which is arguably a bit hopeful.

Attacking midfielders
Greizmann and Pereira.

Strikers
Martial and Wilson.

One could argue that we'd be a bit thin on attacking midfielder and strikers, but I don't know that we could stack more recognized names into the squad as third and fourth choices being Greizmann/Pereira and Martial/Wilson. And we do have some players, like Herrera and Memphis, who could step into different roles when circumstances require. And, finally, we do have a decent pipeline of young players who should be given a chance to earn a role with the first team.

The club needs to decide whether we're going to make an all in commitment to Anthony Martial as a striker or shift him out wide into the "Henry" role and bring in a new pure striker. I can't answer that, but that and other similar questions need to be answered as the club completes the rebuild next summer.

But what's clear to me is that we would do well to bring in a polished central defender to partner with Smalling, and for me that's Laporte; we need a fast and strong wide player who can score and for me that's Sade (Ronaldo or Bale first, but let's stop dreaming); and a playmaker/scorer and for me that's Greizmann. There might be other tweaks, such as what we do in the event De Gea leaves, but that's enough for me.
 
To buy Messi, Neymar and Suarez (or their equivalents), will cost £300M+.
And that does not include any midfielders or defenders.
The £40M-£50M for each attacker, you have quoted, would leave us weak upfront, compared with the big 3.

£220-£240M will bring us to the level of Man City's squad.
£400M will bring us to the level of the big 3's squad (Barca, Madrid, Bayern).

I don't even think it's possible for us to sign a forward line like Messi, Suarez and Neymar.

But Bayern are as good a team as Barca with Costa-Lewandowski-Robben-Muller-Gotze-Coman and then the injured Robben-Ribery.

That is insane depth, but only 5 or so really matter if you have good health, and I think in a year or 2 we will have 3 players at that general level in Martial, Memphis and Mata. If we add a great attacker like Bale, Reus or Griezmann for 60-70 and find the next Douglas Costa for 30-40 (say Leroy Sane, Teixera or someone else who is unproven but has talent). That wouldn't be great depth, but would be a competitive group of 5 attackers and hopefully one of Wilson, Januzaj, Pereira or Lingard can emerge as attacker #6 and soon #5 since Mata will probably be unplayably slow in about 3-4 years. An older attacker like Robben or Nolito who might have 2-3 years at this level could be attacking player #5 or #6.

City seem strong but they still need a great RW with pace, 1 or 2 CMs (Yaya will be 33 by the end of the season) and 2 FBs to have the kind of squad the big 3 have. That's still at minimum 150M away, assuming 60 for the attacker, 50 for the FBs and 40 for the CM. But that's not beyond them. They just had a summer of Sterling, De Bruyne and Otamendi. An equivalent summer addressing their current holes and something like Griezmann, Ricardo Rodriguez, Mario Gaspar and Krychowiak, for example, would maybe cost about 150M, but they would be instantly very, very strong.
 
Name me a decent player, who will make our team better, who is attainable in January.

There are options, they might just be imperfect.

Nolito would help our attack because he's a friggin genius, even if he's a poor fit for Van Gaal ball. We have money and Celta need it.

And whoever the club thinks is the best box to box CM at a non-CL would immediately help us because we could play 4-3-3 more often with Herrera and this player ahead of one of Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin or Carrick. Less Fellaini and more energy and we have looked better at times in that formation. Against bigger teams it seems a better fit than the 4-2-3-1.
 
To buy Messi, Neymar and Suarez (or their equivalents), will cost £300M+.
And that does not include any midfielders or defenders.
The £40M-£50M for each attacker, you have quoted, would leave us weak upfront, compared with the big 3.

£220-£240M will bring us to the level of Man City's squad.
£400M will bring us to the level of the big 3's squad (Barca, Madrid, Bayern).

This is true. I'd say it's quite conservative even.

I don't even think it's possible for us to sign a forward line like Messi, Suarez and Neymar.

But Bayern are as good a team as Barca with Costa-Lewandowski-Robben-Muller-Gotze-Coman and then the injured Robben-Ribery.

That is insane depth, but only 5 or so really matter if you have good health, and I think in a year or 2 we will have 3 players at that general level in Martial, Memphis and Mata. If we add a great attacker like Bale, Reus or Griezmann for 60-70 and find the next Douglas Costa for 30-40 (say Leroy Sane, Teixera or someone else who is unproven but has talent). That wouldn't be great depth, but would be a competitive group of 5 attackers and hopefully one of Wilson, Januzaj, Pereira or Lingard can emerge as attacker #6 and soon #5 since Mata will probably be unplayably slow in about 3-4 years. An older attacker like Robben or Nolito who might have 2-3 years at this level could be attacking player #5 or #6.

City seem strong but they still need a great RW with pace, 1 or 2 CMs (Yaya will be 33 by the end of the season) and 2 FBs to have the kind of squad the big 3 have. That's still at minimum 150M away, assuming 60 for the attacker, 50 for the FBs and 40 for the CM. But that's not beyond them. They just had a summer of Sterling, De Bruyne and Otamendi. An equivalent summer addressing their current holes and something like Griezmann, Ricardo Rodriguez, Mario Gaspar and Krychowiak, for example, would maybe cost about 150M, but they would be instantly very, very strong.

Also true. I can definitely see City spanking a good £150m in the summer to get their squad into the elite group, probably with Pep in command.
 
We need something else in central midfield still. Way too pedestrian in there. I must admit that I think we may have gotten the wrong PSV player last summer, as I have really fallen in love with Georginio Wijnaldum. He'd be perfect in central midfield, he has everything. He is strong, can dribble, lightning fast, and scores goals too. Proper 'box to box' as the caf loves, and I've love for us to move for him in the summer. Him, Stones and some pace and genuine dribbling ability in attack will make me a happy man.

And Rooney out of course.
 
I cannot see us spending the amount needed to become a real CL giant again this summer. It'sometimes beyond us even, particularly as we are a commercial, for-profit operation unlike City or the Spanish two.

I hope our net spend budget this summer is £150m at least though. That gets two to three quality players on this market.

Griezmann- £60m clause?
Stones - £50m

Kane has to be a target but the only chance of it happening IMO is a world record fee. As long as part of that is performance/milestone based I'd be happy with that. The potential is there.
 
I would say, conservatively, we need five first team players:

CB
CM
WINGER
NUMBER 10
STRIKER

Probably a right back too.
 
A world record fee for Kane? That has to be a joke :lol:
 
I swear KingMinger has just been regurgitating the same stuff for ten years now. Only ever see him/her in this thread.
 
In 2009/9 I never cared about transfer as we had a fantastic team. Ever since Ronaldo left we have been lacking all over.
 
If it was Football Manager, and I had to be realistic, my squad would like something below (new purchases in bold):

GK DDG, Romero

LB Rojo, Shaw
RB Darmian, McNair, Varela
CB Smalling, Blind, Stones, Vertoghen-level

DMC/MC Schwein, Schnei, Carrick, Herrera, Perreira, Barkley,
AMR/AML Januzaj, Memphis, Young, Lingard, Bale-level

ST Kane, Martial, Wilson, Zlatan-level

That's a squad of about 26.

Out:
Jones
Rooney
Mata
Fellaini
Valencia
Powell
 
For January, we definitely need a few players. It won't be easy, but there's definitely buyable players right now. (This is basically what I'd say we need if Van Gaal wants to be successful here, which he can, he just needs a lot better players so the quality can make up for his slow style).

Mahrez wouldn't be easy, but would they take a 25-30m bid? I think they would. If not him then go for Lucas Anderson, Mane, Bellarabi, Yarmolenko, Konoplyanka, or someone like that. World class isn't doable even in the summer unless Bale becomes a serious option, but there are plenty of good players at smaller clubs that we could get for the right wing. Definitely need someone for that side though, and we could get someone and still get Bale in the summer without it being overkill.

Definitely a striker, though this could wait until summer if a bigger name is more likely. Or someone like Berardi who can play on the right or up top just to give us more depth on both those positions, to see us through to the summer.

Not sure if we really need a left back. Shaw will recover and come back next season, and until then, we can use Rojo/Blind/Darmian as stop gaps. We need someone on the right though. Darmian is very meh. Not sure if he has it in him to be good enough to be first choice at a club like United where you want your right backs to offer a lot going forward and constantly overlap. No idea who is available though. Ideally, we'd have Shaw/Blind for left back, ????/Darmian for right back.

For center back, Stones would obviously be perfect. Stones and Smalling, with Jones and Rojo as back up, would be a very good group.

Then in the summer we might need a goalkeeper if De Gea ends up going to Madrid.

So we've definitely got a bit of transfer business to do in January and in the summer. At least 4 needed (striker, winger, center back, fullback), and then also if anyone leaves to replace them since our squad is threadbare as it is. Probably a midfielder like Gundogan as well. So in the next two windows, to really catch up and make up ground on the top teams, we should really look to buy 6 players so we can challenge on all fronts and have a good side overall with good depth everywhere.

De Gea
???? Smalling Stones Shaw
Gundogan Schneiderlin
Mahrez Mata Bale
Martial

Romero
Darmian Jones Rojo Blind
Herrera Schweinsteiger
Januzaj Pereira Memphis
????​
 
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For January, we definitely need a few players. It won't be easy, but there's definitely buyable players right now. (This is basically what I'd say we need if Van Gaal wants to be successful here, which he can, he just needs a lot better players so the quality can make up for his slow style).

Mahrez wouldn't be easy, but would they take a 25-30m bid? I think they would. If not him then go for Lucas Anderson, Mane, Bellarabi, Yarmolenko, Konoplyanka, or someone like that. World class isn't doable even in the summer unless Bale becomes a serious option, but there are plenty of good players at smaller clubs that we could get for the right wing. Definitely need someone for that side though, and we could get someone and still get Bale in the summer without it being overkill.

Definitely a striker, though this could wait until summer if a bigger name is more likely. Or someone like Berardi who can play on the right or up top just to give us more depth on both those positions, to see us through to the summer.

Not sure if we really need a left back. Shaw will recover and come back next season, and until then, we can use Rojo/Blind/Darmian as stop gaps. We need someone on the right though. Darmian is very meh. Not sure if he has it in him to be good enough to be first choice at a club like United where you want your right backs to offer a lot going forward and constantly overlap. No idea who is available though. Ideally, we'd have Shaw/Blind for left back, ????/Darmian for right back.

For center back, Stones would obviously be perfect. Stones and Smalling, with Jones and Rojo as back up, would be a very good group.

Then in the summer we might need a goalkeeper if De Gea ends up going to Madrid.

So we've definitely got a bit of transfer business to do in January and in the summer. At least 4 needed (striker, winger, center back, fullback), and then also if anyone leaves to replace them since our squad is threadbare as it is. Probably a midfielder like Gundogan as well. So in the next two windows, to really catch up and make up ground on the top teams, we should really look to buy 6 players so we can challenge on all fronts and have a good side overall with good depth everywhere.

De Gea
???? Smalling Stones Shaw
Gundogan Schneiderlin
Mahrez Mata Bale
Martial

Romero
Darmian Jones Rojo Blind
Herrera Schweinsteiger
Januzaj Pereira Memphis
????​

Not sure about the RB but maybe Wilson can take the striker role in the 2nd 11, or that lad from Fulham we're linked with, Embolo could be another option. Personally Mata would be nowhere near my ideal starting 11 and Herrera would be in that midfield 3, I'm not sold on Mahrez either but overall I think you're spot on with what we need.
 
Not sure about the RB but maybe Wilson can take the striker role in the 2nd 11, or that lad from Fulham we're linked with, Embolo could be another option. Personally Mata would be nowhere near my ideal starting 11 and Herrera would be in that midfield 3, I'm not sold on Mahrez either but overall I think you're spot on with what we need.

Do you rate Rabiot mate? I think if Pep is appointed (unlikely as it may seem right now) Schneiderlin might find himself out of favor for the #6 role. Rabiot is a bit languid, but he would be really good in the Busquets/ Alonso role. Maybe something like this for the starting XI, if not Rabiot then maybe Sergi Samper; and Deulofeu because Pep rates him from his Barcelona days:

Alternatively, under Ancelotti we could target Verratti given his relationship with Carlo while keeping Schnederlin as the defensive midfielder. And Cristiano. :drool:

No more tumescent 4-2-3-1 with point forwards and Felling for Plan B. :mad:
 
A plan. After another couple of transfer windows United will have a collection of £25m+ midfield and forward players and half of them won't fit the coach's preferred system. It's shambolic.

People scoff at Giggs taking over at Swansea. They are a better run football club than United.
 
Do you rate Rabiot mate? I think if Pep is appointed (unlikely as it may seem right now) Schneiderlin might find himself out of favor for the #6 role. Rabiot is a bit languid, but he would be really good in the Busquets/ Alonso role. Maybe something like this for the starting XI, if not Rabiot then maybe Sergi Samper; and Deulofeu because Pep rates him from his Barcelona days:


Alternatively, under Ancelotti we could target Verratti given his relationship with Carlo while keeping Schnederlin as the defensive midfielder. And Cristiano. :drool:


No more tumescent 4-2-3-1 with point forwards and Felling for Plan B. :mad:

I think Rabiot has potential but more so as a box to box CM than a deep lying playmaker, of course he is young enough to make the conversion and I agree that Pep would want a different kind of #6 than Schneiderlin but would still have a place for him as he has for Vidal right now.

Whichever manager we get, and we nee done of those as much as we need new players, I agree that the inverted midfield 3 is the way to go, it just offers more both in terms of control and fluidity.
 
We missed the chance to bring in a game changing player in the summer, when the club looked very much on the up and it looked to most that we could be the best side in the league this year after hammering all the big teams at the tail end of last.

I like that Van Gaal is trusting the kids as I think it's the most important united tradition by far, and the only club that did it better than us in the last 20 years was LVGs barcelona and the team that then came from that.

I also went in to the season thinking that it is better to spend nothing on a winger and spend 100m on the right player next summer than spending 40m on an average player this summer.

I don't really feel like that now, I think we don't have enough attacking ability right now, we have potentially the best attack in the league but as Mata has started to go missing we have no actual players for right now.

I hope I'm wrong but it does feel like we missed a chance last summer to bring in a top 10 world wide attacker, the kind of player united always should have. We let ADM go and didn't replace like for like and I personally think we are paying the price there
 
-------------- DDG -----------------
Darmian - Smalling - ????? - Shaw
----- Schneiderlin -- ?????? -------
--------------Herrera -------------
Memphis ---- ??????? ---- Martial

Something like that. You also need either a back up right back or a new right back with Darmian as a rotational option for RB/LB. I think he'll come good though.
 
We need a proper manager who can actually motivate the players and not scare them. That would be a good start.
 
It's always been a few world class players and several others according to this place. Truth is you just don't need to have that in every position to compete.

We need a top striker, we can do with what we've got elsewhere. Not that it wouldn't be nice to have the extra quality but a quality manager would have this lot with a striker competing.
 
are you saying it's a myth that we get severe injury crises in defence? because I think it's the 3rd year in a row we've had 4-6 first team defenders out at once
I think I saw someone do that stats on this, ours is no worse (or maybe marginally worse at best) than other teams.
Bit cringe that it keeps having to be brought up.
ps. maybe have a squad big enough to cope, like most other top teams?!
 
I think I saw someone do that stats on this, ours is no worse (or maybe marginally worse at best) than other teams.
Bit cringe that it keeps having to be brought up.
ps. maybe have a squad big enough to cope, like most other top teams?!

Our injuries in defense are pretty unique though, 4 fullbacks injured at once, I mean which team carries more fullbacks than that? We did go into the season light of a CB I think which would allow Blind to play at LB, but even then we also have 3 CM's out at once as well, it's the fact our injuries are congested in 2 positions that makes it harder IMO.
 
-Stones
-Griezmann
-Mahrez/a new AM
-Aubamayang

That would be a dream