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Surely this thread needs a new title. Something along the lines of "What else do we need?" as our problem positions are increasing year on year
Or Just "What dont we need' That will be much easierSurely this thread needs a new title. Something along the lines of "What else do we need?" as our problem positions are increasing year on year
If De ligt is off the table then i'd go with the following..
CB Koulibaly or Milenkovic
LB Kieran Tierney, would be a muppet-tastic signing as far as i'm concerned.
DM Declan Rice, I think a specialist ball winner is required.
CM Adrien Rabiot, free transfer
RW ???
Lukaku and De Gea could potentially leave, so a new striker and goalkeeper could also arrive.
He could play RB as shown in the Scotland team to accommodate Robertson who isn't as versatile.Can he play RB as well? I don't think Shaw is great but we are dead in the water at RB.
He could play RB as shown in the Scotland team to accommodate Robertson who isn't as versatile.
I've only seen him play RB for a below average Scotland team and he's done well considering his surroundings. He would be a clear upgrade over Young and Dalot at RB and would relegate Shaw to the bench at LB imo.Is he good at RB? If so I could see the sense in the signing as we can't start the season with Young or Dalot starting at RB.
I've only seen him play RB for a below average Scotland team and he's done well considering his surroundings. He would be a clear upgrade over Young and Dalot at RB and would relegate Shaw to the bench at LB imo.
Whether we can get him out of Celtic is another matter though. But if we can , then I expect him to have a similar impact like Robertson at Liverpool.
I agree, plus the situation was always going to get worse when we handed out that Sanchez contract, I still can't get over how people where saying it was bargain at the time and calling us pointed out the escalation, we now have De Gea and pogba wanting that money and any other big name we bring in.Rewarding mediocrity with long contracts and undeserved high wages.
I remember a time when United had strict wages policies. So strict that Ferguson himself earned less than George Graham, we couldn't afford players like Batistuta (while Chelsea could get the likes of Desailly, Casiraghi and Vialli from the Serie A), and our club captain had to threaten to leave so he could be paid 50k per week in 2001.
Nowadays we're handing out big wages to players who people who show good form for two weeks, players who've spent more time in the physio room than on the pitch, a mediocre winger-turned-fullback, amongst others.
I never understood the policy of finalising around only 3-4 transfers every summer. You do that when you have a functional team and you have to close your gaps, or increase your quality in certain positions. What we needed since SAF retired was a massive proper rebuilt with high quality players that never happened. Instead we follow this policy of a few transfers, several fail, then the same again and we are stuck with mediocrities every year in so many positions. We need one amazing summer if we are to come back ever. And the following is not football manager, or something crazy, it is very down to earth if we wanted do, based on the 2019 summer market.
------------------------------------De Gea ----------------------------
RB/Dalot ------------- CB ---------------CB/Lindelof----------------Shaw
------------------------------CM----CM----Pogba------------------------------------
--------------RW--------------------ST-------------------------Rashford/Martial
- Buy Meunier, Aldeweireld & Rabiot for a combined of 60 million. You will never get such a chance again to fill in 3 positions with class players for this amount of money.
- Buy Bruno Fernandes or a similar all around player who should be creative as well (70m)
- Buy De Ligt (80m).
- Buy Sancho & Felix to a create an amazing young, hungry quality front 3. (~200m)
Total 410m. Sell Lukaku, Darmian, Rojo, Jones (-100m). Net spending around 300m. I know it may seem too much but it is what we finally need. With something like this I would be ok to sell even De Gea to recoup 60-70m and have Henderson and Romero to compete. Try to sell Lingard as well.
------------------------------------De Gea ----------------------------
Meunier/Dalot ------------- De Ligt ---------------Alderweireld/Lindelof----------------Shaw
--------------------------B. Fernandes----Rabiot----Pogba------------------------------------
--------------Sancho--------------------Felix-------------------------Rashford/Martial
What we gain?
- You have an experienced RB and give time to Dalot to develop and make this position his.
- A class defender on the cheap. A class midfielder for free.
- The top future defender and two of the top future attacking players.
How you are going to convince all of them? By presenting them something like the above and the chance to be the leaders in the rebirth of Man Utd. If Sancho had double thoughts because of us missing on Ch.L, with such a top project he would come here running.
But I know.. We will end up overspending on RB, end up with our 3rd choice on CB and possibly buy Bale as well. And we will spend next year asking where was this DoF we wanted.
Nice list!What do we still need for next season?
Good enough squad that we on paper should be more than good enough for a top 4 finish. For this to be a probable outcome (assuming that the coaching does not influence this) we need an RW, RB, CB, CDM and CM. If we can move on some of the deadwood and bring in some younger players as well, then this would be positive long term.
Transfers in.
RB options:
1. Atal: £40m at most. Modern attacking wingback.Can play right wing as well. Not the best defensively, but great attacking qualities.
2. Meunier. £25m. Decent both ways. Could perform well for a few years until Laird/Dalot are ready.
3. AWB. £40m-£50m, if more, then a big no. Great defensively and physically. Strange that he seems more comfortable on the ball when moving compared to when he stands still.
CB options:
1. Ake. £40m-£50m. Left-footed and sided. Good on the ball, effective in aerial duels despite short frame.
2. Mehir Demiral. No idea what Sassuolo will demand, but Juventus are linked for £15m and some first option agreement.
3. Alderweireld. £25m. Same as Meunier would be a short term stop gap. Also, would weaken Spurs given that they would find it difficult to find a replacement for a similar quality for the same amount.
Would also prefer us to get "first option agreement" on Godfrey or buy him and loan him back for a season.
CDM:
1. Rodri. £55m-£60m clause. The best alternative available. Likely off to City. Could still active his clause and force City to pay him more.
2. Rabiot. "Free".
3. Kalvin Phillips. £25m. Good at protecting the defenders and playing out of defence. Mobile and can play long passes. Not the best in the final third.
CM:
1. Barella: £40m-£50m. Herrera, with better technical ability.
2. Aouar: £50m-£60m. Movement, decisions, close control.
3. Tielemans: £40m. Performed well for Leicester, competent in all elements of the game.
RW:
1. Hakim Ziyech: £25m clause. Left-footed, smart and technical player. Would perform well until we get CL-qual and buy Sancho.
2. Sarabia: £15m clause. Same as Ziyech. Think Mata with some physique.
3. Zaniolo: £40m-£50m. Built like a tank, but still mobile and can use both feet and good on the ball. Potential huge upside. Can play multiple positions, might be better suited to play centrally.
If Inter wants Lukaku, then we should ask for Lautaro + £££ or go for Sebastien Haller.
I think all options, bar Rodri are players that we could lure here. And excluding Zaniolo, Phillips and Demiral, the rest would definitively be improvements compared to our current options immediately. And on paper, we should be more than good enough to beat Chelsea and Arsenal for the last CL-spot.
- Buy Meunier, Aldeweireld & Rabiot for a combined of 60 million. You will never get such a chance again to fill in 3 positions with class players for this amount of money.
- Buy Bruno Fernandes or a similar all around player who should be creative as well (70m)
- Buy De Ligt (80m).
- Buy Sancho & Felix to a create an amazing young, hungry quality front 3. (~200m)
Total 410m. Sell Lukaku, Darmian, Rojo, Jones (-100m). Net spending around 300m. I know it may seem too much but it is what we finally need. With something like this I would be ok to sell even De Gea to recoup 60-70m and have Henderson and Romero to compete. Try to sell Lingard as well.
------------------------------------De Gea ----------------------------
Meunier/Dalot ------------- De Ligt ---------------Alderweireld/Lindelof----------------Shaw
--------------------------B. Fernandes----Rabiot----Pogba------------------------------------
--------------Sancho--------------------Felix-------------------------Rashford/Martial
What we gain?
- You have an experienced RB and give time to Dalot to develop and make this position his.
- A class defender on the cheap. A class midfielder for free.
- The top future defender and two of the top future attacking players.
James/any fast, tricky winger gives us additional options and strength on the break, which is good.
What we desperately need in attack, and have done for years, is a player with a skill set that can decide games where the opponent team sits deep. The typical 0-0 games against dross or at home against mid table sides. That player can be a number of things really. A creative midfielder who can unlock a packed defense (where we currently only Pogba and - perhaps - Mata), a CB with aerial strength who can get you set piece goals (Terry, Kompany and van Dijk have been examples lately) and a player great at set pieces who can give you a free kick goal or create danger on set pieces in general.
Our problem in later years seems to be that we lack all of these types/qualities.
Would add Van Beek now, as it seems he actually wants to join us. Did not think that was realistic.Nice list!
I'm going to keep this as a light, when all other lights go out.
So long final post!
De GeaHow would that team do next season?
Wan Bissaka Alderweireld Lindelof Shaw
Fernandes McTominay Pogba
James Lukaku Martial
Do you rate Van de Beek better than N'Dombele as Herrera replacement?Very suprised Donny Van den Beek has no thread if his own, has nobody suggested hes the perfect Herrera replacement and probably a better all round player?
Anyway were linked with him in the transfer tweets via talksport today, maybe a thread of his own?
Do you rate Van de Beek better than N'Dombele as Herrera replacement?
N'Dombele is similar to Kante, just a bit more offensive than him.I cant really comment or compare as ive not seen anything on N dombele, ive seen Van de Beek and im very impressed with his mobility, reading of the game, defensive workrate and also his contribution to attack, the perfect box to box midfielder for us id say.