He's already been dropped!
Why would they pay for a player that they've dropped?
You've not answered the question though?
Who will pay £40+ million for Greenwood?
No English club will go near him. Only the Madrid clubs have that sort of money available in Spain.
Everybody knows that United are desperate to sell him too, which doesn't help.
It's not being negative, it's being realistic. Why do you think a tiny club like Getafe were the only club to take him on loan?
What does this mean don’t see them paying £40m for Hanibal???Also their maximum transfer ever was around £30m for Kounde, don't see them paying £40m for Hannibal and was largely the reason we inserted it I would guess.
What does this mean don’t see them paying £40m for Hanibal???
Only £17m was ever mentioned. !
Ok it’s easily done but as a club we really should now starting being able to get £20m for players like Pellistri or Hanibal, there both young on really low wages and are full internationals, in world where City get £65m for James Trafford and Cole Palmer and Chelsea get £35m for Lewis Hall when none of these players at the time had represented their country something is very, very wrong with how United sell players, and now the penny is about to drop very shortly with a lot of the responsible employees of the club that sanctioned and oversaw weak transfer like Zidane Iqbal being sold for less than £1m about to get their P45’s and rightfully so!Yea, I got confused - That's why I didn't respond to your earlier comment but you are in fact correct, think somebody else mentioned £40m so I mixed it up.
Ok it’s easily done but as a club we really should now starting being able to get £20m for players like Pellistri or Hanibal, there both young on really low wages and are full internationals, in world where City get £65m for James Trafford and Cole Palmer and Chelsea get £35m for Lewis Hall when none of these players at the time had represented their country something is very, very wrong with how United sell players, and now the penny is about to drop very shortly with a lot of the responsible employees of the club that sanctioned and oversaw weak transfer like Zidane Iqbal being sold for less than £1m about to get their P45’s and rightfully so!
So much depends on who leaves this summer. In the absence of knowing who will leave, I'll assume nobody leaves and say that we have 5 clear needs.
I would put them in this specific order:
1. CB - Top quality and ready to start on day 1, Varane is still very good but can't play every game
2. CDM - to learn from, play under, and ideally compete with Casemiro
3. Forward - A lower-cost but more experienced forward to compete with Hojlund, because Martial is not competitive
4. LW - if Garnacho continues to make the right wing his own, with Antony/Pellistri/Amad behind him, then it's Rashford/LW that needs competition & depth
5. RB - Bottom of the list for me because Dalot has improved. More than anything, this is only worth doing if we bring in an unquestionable improvement. Those are hard to find and it's a moving target given Dalot's improvement
I think the ones who have high chance to leave are:
Martial (out of contract)
Varane (out of contract)
Bissaka & Lindelof (contract expired in 2025 means we need to sell)
For the CB, I believe we need a proactive CB who has similar ability on the ball as Martinez but has the physical strength and good one v one to win the ball back because we set up in 433 formation that tends to be vulnerable against counter.
For the CDM, I think we need a physical and proactive ball winner who is composed on the ball when being pressed so we this CDM doesn't give the ball away when we are trying to play from the back and capable to protect the defense.
Solid post however if we have no European Football then we can go with a streamline squad of 23/24 players. Chelsea could win League cup they would automatically qualify for European Conference, then if England gains its 5th CL space, 6th place would be Europa. United could easily end 7th-10th with their level of consistency, to guarantee European Football they would have to win FA Cup.So much depends on who leaves this summer. In the absence of knowing who will leave, I'll assume nobody leaves and say that we have 5 clear needs.
I would put them in this specific order:
1. CB - Top quality and ready to start on day 1, Varane is still very good but can't play every game
2. CDM - to learn from, play under, and ideally compete with Casemiro
3. Forward - A lower-cost but more experienced forward to compete with Hojlund, because Martial is not competitive
4. LW - if Garnacho continues to make the right wing his own, with Antony/Pellistri/Amad behind him, then it's Rashford/LW that needs competition & depth
5. RB - Bottom of the list for me because Dalot has improved. More than anything, this is only worth doing if we bring in an unquestionable improvement. Those are hard to find and it's a moving target given Dalot's improvement
If you’re right and Varane really leaves we’re going to have to spend big on the CB replacement because CBs who are fast, good 1v1, strong in the air (need this alongside Martinez), and good playing out from the back are extremely sparse.
That plus a top young CDM is already probably 140 million or more.
Definitely doesn’t leave much for the depth additions at forward and on the wing.
So much depends on who leaves this summer. In the absence of knowing who will leave, I'll assume nobody leaves and say that we have 5 clear needs.
I would put them in this specific order:
1. CB - Top quality and ready to start on day 1, Varane is still very good but can't play every game
2. CDM - to learn from, play under, and ideally compete with Casemiro
3. Forward - A lower-cost but more experienced forward to compete with Hojlund, because Martial is not competitive
4. LW - if Garnacho continues to make the right wing his own, with Antony/Pellistri/Amad behind him, then it's Rashford/LW that needs competition & depth
5. RB - Bottom of the list for me because Dalot has improved. More than anything, this is only worth doing if we bring in an unquestionable improvement. Those are hard to find and it's a moving target given Dalot's improvement
What would be people's priority positions?
CDM should be in the list without knowing the outgoing. We only have Casemiro in the role, if he's injured we don't have a CDM, and there is no guaranteed whether he still has the leg next season.Hard to say without knowing the outgoings but I think the current ‘gaps’ are 1) a ball playing CB, and 2) another ST option.
Those are the positions I expect us to invest in without even thinking about outgoings. Then following outgoings we can start to look at other areas like a RW/LW, CM/DM, CB and a RB maybe, all depends on who we are able to sell.
What would be people's priority positions?
CB,CDM,RW, GK, ST.What would be people's priority positions?
Joao NevesWhat would be people's priority positions?
What would be people's priority positions?
CB,CDM,RW, GK, ST.
It's funny, we have the same priority positions almost every year.
Who hasn't?So had enough of Onana then I take it?
CDM should be in the list without knowing the outgoing. We only have Casemiro in the role, if he's injured we don't have a CDM, and there is no guaranteed whether he still has the leg next season.
If we assume Antony, Varane, Maguire and Casemiro have one more year here, I'd say this is the bare minimum:
Hojlund, Striker
Rashford, Garnacho, Amad, Antony
Bruno, Mount
Mainoo, McTominay
Casemiro, DM
Shaw, Malacia
RB, Dalot,
Lisandro, LCB
Varane, Maguire
Onana, Bayindir
Forson, Gore, Lindelof, a FB on a free or an academy player, Kambwalla and a 3rd keeper round out the squad.
Wan-Bissaka only has one year left so we have to sell him and get some money back there. Martial. Amrabat don't buy.
Ideally we'd make some of the 2025 changes like replacements for Antony, Maguire/Varane replacements, McTominay and Lindelof, but again that feels more like 2025 summer.
So 4 buys this season (2 big ones at backup #9 since those are still expensive and the DM should be literally the best under 26 player we can find even if it's 100M).
Then after the summer of 2025, look like this for the main 22, possible changes at keeper but don't have a real feel for that yet:
Hojlund, Striker
Rashford, Garnacho, Amad, Winger
Bruno, Mount
Mainoo, Gore (?)
DM, DM
Shaw, Malacia
RB, Dalot
Lisandro, LCB
RCB, Varane/Maguire
Onana, Bayindir
Who hasn't?
I think / hope that with Berrada’s philosophy of players having two years to show their worth that Antony won’t be kicking around next year. My guess is that we won’t find a buyer (apart from maybe Saudi) that will offer us what we want need to balance FFP so we loan him out for a season to Italy, Spain or Turkey then sell him in 2025 summer.
Antony has been healthy enough generally, so loaning him out instead of selling him makes sense only if you think he'll do well enough to raise his value.
Reference Greenwood ;
Ac Milan, Juventus, Inter, Atletico Madrid , Real Madrid, Barcelona
People forget Ronaldo and Benzema in particular were hero worshipped at Real regardless of what happened off field , if he continues with his current form and gets 12-15 goals and 10 -12 assists playing for Getafe, we will be looking for more like £50m not £40m!
I think that if we got an offer of 25m the club would take that and run.
The club tried to test the waters with a Greenwood return and it was met with resounding backlash. That door is closed. So it doesn't matter how good his form is in Spain when the entire footballing world can see that we can never bring him back. We have no bargaining position whatsoever and everyone knows it.
If you're expecting a big fee then I think you're just setting yourself up for disappointment.
What we need.
A- a complete FB who can attack and defend
B- 2 CBs (Varane is out, Evans is ancient, Maguire will probably be sold and Martinez is plagued with injury)
C- A LB (where is Malacia?)
D - Casemiro replacement
E- B2B
F- A RW
G- A striker
We won't get all in one window.
In my opinion we should aim for a mix of players (experienced EPL proven and non)
CBs- Todibo and Branthwaite. The latter can play as LB and CB, he's top quality and is at the right age for us. We should get Todibo at a cut price considering he's at Nice
DM: Conor Gallagher -24 years of age, 6ft tall, EPL proven and with 1 year left in his contract. His stats are pretty similar to those of Rice in terms of interceptions (28-33), tackles (56-51) and blocks (7 each) though Rice is still the better player
B2B- Thuram. 6ft3, 22 years of age and can play both as a DM and a B2B. Thuram would make us less dependent on McT on aerial prowess, He's got one year left in his contract at Nice so he'll be a steal
RW - Leroy Sane - 28 years of age, he's got EPL experience and he's doing wonders in the Bundesliga. He's also got 1 year left in his contract.
STK: Toney - 27 years old, EPL proven and he's got 1 year in his contract.
If we've got a good recruitment team then we can seal sneaky backroom deals with Toney and Sane promising them to sign them up (either this year or the next) no matter what on the condition that they go to their club and tell them that they either sell them to us or they wouldn't move. That should drive the price down.
Players we should have a look
- Roony Bardghji.RW and very talented. He's got 1 year left in his contract as well
- Frimpong, top quality RB/RW whose got a minimum fee clause in his contract
I agree, however it sounds like there is a good amount of interest from some big clubs which could spark a bidding war. Realistically he’s an £80m talent (probably more given his potential), so if there is more than one club that thinks he’s worth spending up to £40m or £50m for an £80m+ talent, then I don’t think it’s impossible to reach those figures.
Sancho on the other hand is different as he’s been playing the past two years, just seriously underperforming, so his general market value / perception has weakened. He’s also got super high wages unlike Greenwood so I think he’s more likely to go for about £25m even if he performs well at Dortmund.
Like all of your suggestions apart from I’d go for Andre Trindade over Gallagher. Gallagher is a good consistent player, but he’s not really a DM and would prefer not to help Chelsea out financially again after we funded their summer with £55m on Mount. Andre is a risk coming from Brazilian league sure, but technically and tactically he’d give us more of what Mainoo has added recently and help us take the pressure off him personally a little. Don’t want to do what Barca did to Gavi and Pedro and run Mainoo into the ground.
I also don’t think we’ll get Toney given pretty much all the other big London teams are after a starting 9 and linked to him. Gimenez from Feyenoord would be my pick or Zirkzee if we want a different option / someone who could fill other roles tactically or play alongside Hojlund.
Appreciate that takes two EPL players out of the mix, but there’s value to be had outside if we do our scouting right.
