What do we still need? Aka The never ending story

ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
that’s at least a dozen of the first team squad you think could/ should be sold in one window!!
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If we are asking stupid unrealistic prices (For example 20-25m for A.Pereira or Dalot) then of course it will be unrealistic.....but my prices for all players are very fair therefore it is possible

Lingard, Dalot, A.Pereira and Chong were already loaned out.

Tuanzebe and Williams have played not much football therefore they must go.

James and Fred aren't good enough.

Pogba will go without new contract.

De Gea will be a problem therefore we should ask just 5-10m.
 
Well just purely going from some of the reports:

In:
Sancho £73m
Varane £45m
Camavinga £25m

Thats £143m from a rumoured £140m transfer budget.....out

Lingard £20m
Pereira £5m
James £20m
VDB £25m
Chong £3m
jOnes £2m
Matic £10m
DAlot £10m

£95m - Rice £90m (yes its a ridiculous fee but still takes us under the budget)

GK: DeGea - Henderson - Heaton - Grant
RB: Bissaka - Dalot - Laird
CB: Varane - Lindelof - Bailly - Maguire - Tuanzabe - Mengi
LB: Shaw - Telles - Williams
DM: Camavinga - Rice - Pogba - Fred - McTominay - Garner
AM: Fernandes - Hannibal - Mata - Shoetire
LW: Rashford - Elanga
RW: SAncho - Amad - Pellestri
CF; Cavani - Greenwood - Martial

Only part that looks weak depth wise is LW but there are several players in other positions can play there, just as there are AM as well.

Its a huge squad of 34 players even if we sell 8, a lot of loans possibly (Laird, Tuanzabe, Mengi, Williams, Garner, Shoetire, Pellestri) to get the numbers down but theres a nucleus there of 17/18 quality players for a matchday squad with lots of different options and also for me, we are very well covered for next seasons possible departures and really can then concentrate on jsut 1 or 2 big signings next year (a stiker beign the obvious one).

Is also of course the oppotunity of spendin gthat extra money on Grealish even should we make those sales OR keeping James and VDB and going for a cheaper 4th signing such as a Romagnoli/Romero as a second centre back signing or a Bissouma/Zakaria as a second central midfield signing.

Either way, what has been obvious to me, our squad is actually huge and doesnt need these improvements of the likes of a Trippier or a Sulemana......Its the first eleven needs improving and the prospected three signings we are gettign heavily linled with certainly do for me, all of them. Camavinga plays too, forget his age
 
IN : Sancho (73)/ Carmavinga (35)/ Varane(40) / Trippier (27)/ Remero (40) = -215
OUT: Lindelof(20) / Baily (20)/ Martial (40)/ Dalot (15)/ Matic / Jesse(20) / Perrera (10)/ Williams (10)/ Jones = +135

With 80M NET spend, Can we consider this as a good summer ?
 
sp_107 said:
IN : Sancho (73)/ Carmavinga (35)/ Varane(40) / Trippier (27)/ Remero (40) = -215
OUT: Lindelof(20) / Baily (20)/ Martial (40)/ Dalot (15)/ Matic / Jesse(20) / Perrera (10)/ Williams (10)/ Jones = +135

With 80M NET spend, Can we consider this as a good summer ?
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Would be a great summer, but cannot see us bringing in 2 CBs.
 
jesperjaap said:
£95m - Rice £90m (yes its a ridiculous fee but still takes us under the budget)
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We are nuts if we pay more for Rice (DCM) than we did for Sancho. No way Rice is worth more than Sancho.

£90-95m for Rice in today’s market will be the the worst trade or most overpriced trade in United’s history. Very risky business; only downside (price wise).

Piss me of if we pay > £70m for Rice or >£50 + Lingard.

£90m is pretty much the same as handing them Lingard for free:(
 
sp_107 said:
IN : Sancho (73)/ Carmavinga (35)/ Varane(40) / Trippier (27)/ Remero (40) = -215
OUT: Lindelof(20) / Baily (20)/ Martial (40)/ Dalot (15)/ Matic / Jesse(20) / Perrera (10)/ Williams (10)/ Jones = +135

With 80M NET spend, Can we consider this as a good summer ?
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I guess back of CBs are required.
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
Tuanzebe and Williams have played not much football therefore they must go.
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Both players are young with potential and on low wages. No rush to offload them. Keep them two more years or send them on loan. Suppose their value will increase anyway.
 
croadyman said:
Would be very happy with a summer of

Sancho

Varane

CDM/CM ideally Camavinga

Yes I know ideally we could do with a backup RB to give AWB some competition but shouldn't pay daft money for Trippier, saw some loose links to Tavernier at Rangers but guessing the price would still not be in our ballpark.
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Absolutely. Getting Sancho is great, but what we need are def. CDM and CB. Then we can talk about being on the right path
Plus, Pogba must stay (if he wants) or we would to have to bring there someone as well.
 
croadyman said:
Would be very happy with a summer of

Sancho

Varane

CDM/CM ideally Camavinga

Yes I know ideally we could do with a backup RB to give AWB some competition but shouldn't pay daft money for Trippier, saw some loose links to Tavernier at Rangers but guessing the price would still not be in our ballpark.
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That would be (considering our current situation) the best trasfer window since Fergie took over and made his rebuild.
 
Polar said:
We are nuts if we pay more for Rice (DCM) than we did for Sancho. No way Rice is worth more than Sancho.

£90-95m for Rice in today’s market will be the the worst trade or most overpriced trade in United’s history. Very risky business; only downside (price wise).

Piss me of if we pay > £70m for Rice or >£50 + Lingard.

£90m is pretty much the same as handing them Lingard for free:(
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Agreed. He is not worth that than £50m post covid and that includes the English tax. He is just too hyped up and if he is going anywhere close to £90m I would gladly drive him to Chelsea (not really a long drive from West Ham to Chelsea)
 
Polar said:
We are nuts if we pay more for Rice (DCM) than we did for Sancho. No way Rice is worth more than Sancho.

£90-95m for Rice in today’s market will be the the worst trade or most overpriced trade in United’s history. Very risky business; only downside (price wise).

Piss me of if we pay > £70m for Rice or >£50 + Lingard.

£90m is pretty much the same as handing them Lingard for free:(
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Unlike the slating of Grealish fees we didnt go for last season of similar proportions, yes I agree with you, is way over prived when you look at prospective prices of many others arounf Europe, completely right and probably the only thing stopping us moving for him this summer.

But from a personaly point of view, couldnt care less about the fee if its a fourth signing and possibly the missing piece in jigsaw to complete a great first eleven....saying that being greedy on attacking talent and such a fan....still probably rather Grealish haha

Neither are happening, I think if there is a fourth signing it may well be a right back which is unwarrented for me
 
Varane
Camavinga/Rice/Next big thing CDM
Attacking RB cover or just bring Dalot back.

I think with alot of the big salaries now gone e.g Sanchez and Lukaku, we must have money to spend on good signings.

If we make the right 2 signings now this summer we can complete a good starting 11 for the first time since Fergie left. We should take this chance.
 
If United can get Sancho, Varane and Camavinga, while selling Pogba, Lingard and Henderson for some decent money that would be a strong window, I'd like to see Matic and some of the excess fat trimmed as well but we won't get much for them.





We should maintain our top 4 spot with that team and Mason and Martial will have the season to see if they can nail the #9 spot down when Cavani leaves, if not a striker will be the priority next summer, and the other transfer we'll need is another CM to play alongside Camavinga as neither of McFred are good enough.
 
I think the biggest question is who’s really going?

Pogba, Martial and De Gea are 3 of the biggest names mentioned.

De Gea is not at his best and we brung in Heaton, Martial is a year older and still hasn’t hit his potential, Pogba only has a year left.

Then there’s the Roma linked players, Bailly and Telles both make sense if Trippier and Varane come in.

VDB? We all agree he needs a chance.

Lingard and Perrierra are virtually already gone.

Matic? We can’t keep spending without selling.
 
thundercats said:
No offense but after 8 years of tomfoolery shouldn’t be start looking for the nr 1 spot again? I can’t stand the damn top 4 spot.
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Yes, but the reality is that our midfield just won't cut it next season, we have a quality attack and if we get Varane the back 4 is looking great, but the fact one of McFred will still be starting regularly and our main midfield signing is likely to be 19, it's going to take more time to challenge.
 
Devil may care said:
Yes, but the reality is that our midfield just won't cut it next season, we have a quality attack and if we get Varane the back 4 is looking great, but the fact one of McFred will still be starting regularly and our main midfield signing is likely to be 19, it's going to take more time to challenge.
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Yeah much as I am bouncing about potentially signing Sancho & Varane and maybe Trippier as diff RB option too, still concerned that we are lacking that quality which links to the defence and midfield whether it's a pure holding DM/tempo controlling CM.
 
croadyman said:
Yeah much as I am bouncing about potentially signing Sancho & Varane and maybe Trippier as diff RB option too, still concerned that we are lacking that quality which links to the defence and midfield whether it's a pure holding DM/tempo controlling CM.
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Yeah, even if Ole is planning to switch to 4-3-3, he's going to need a proper holder to have any chance of making it work.
 
I'm not totally convinced that Camavinga is ready to become a Premier League top 4 club starting 11. Unless you guys can overlook some mistakes he will surely do at such young age. And there's only one way to gain experience: playing games.
 
Excuses excuses. Barca and real mount title challenges every single year, utd must be able to do the same. I personally had enough of this small time mentality. They’re pro players, if leicester can challenge and win a title and if lille can beat PSG then I have none of the excuses we’ve been hearing for almost a decade now.

Why single out Mctominay and Fred who are both international starters to begin with? This team should be able to properly compete. Let’s get behind the team for once instead of singling out scapegoats.

Liverpool won a title with wijnaldum fabinho and henderson in midfield, they’re all great players but our midfield is not any lesser.

Top 4 would be a failure for the 9th season in a row, aim for nr 1 all below that simply won’t cut it for me.
 
Varane and maybe Trippierif we add a quality central midfielder, adding to Sancho it has to on paper at least be oen of the best windows we have done. Only another central midfielder and striker short of a perfect one really.

What amazes me and yes its still early, we havent sold anybody yet, has anybody but Romero left yet?

Our squad is huge, even if we loan out a lot of youngsters this summer. Its crazy tome JOnes, Matic, Mata, Pereira, Lingard, DAlot could still all be here, let alone some of the bigger profile players.

If we make these signings reported and they do well and nobody much does leave.....we could literally spend £100m on a striker next summer and have a considerably negative net spend as a few players would have to go then
 
thundercats said:
Liverpool won a title with wijnaldum fabinho and henderson in midfield, they’re all great players but our midfield is not any lesser.
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Ummm ours are all much lesser players. And balance matters. Fabinho is up there with any holding midfielder in the world. Henderson was fantastic that season. Wijnaldum is an excellent box to box midfielder. Fred has his uses and could've fit that Liverpool team with his pressing, but he'd also have Fabinho next to him. If we signed a Fabinho, then we could properly challenge for the title. Until we sign a Fabinho, we aren't going to be successful IMO. Liverpool weren't until they did it. City fecked up the CL final because they didn't use Fernandinho. Real Madrid were unbalanced until Casemiro went in there. We need a holding midfielder and while we can still challenge for trophies, we'll fall short in the league because we'll fail to get that consistency without a balanced midfield.
 
Ideally, we need a lot. There is a big difference between closing huge gaps (what we are doing) and having genuinely deep squad able to win a title with confidence.

For the latter, we would need (in priority order):
1. A starting center back (Varane?)
2. A better right back
3. Defensive Midfielder
4. Young center forward, understudy for Cavani. Martial is hopeless. Not clear if Greenwood is ready for this and if he is a winger anyway
5. A consistent backup/competition for Bruno on attacking midfielder position
6. More depth in midfield
7. Schmeichel Jr in goal. I was very impressed by him at Euros. De Gea is done (or close) and Dean Henderson is a "maybe". Not bad but also not a sure thing. While Kasper Schmeichel is a sure thing and the pedigree of bringing glory similar to his father to us, would be undeniably mouth-watering. I would 100% go for him. Liverpool and City title races of late are a clear proof of just how much difference a brilliant goalkeeper vs good-enough one makes
 
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jesperjaap said:
Varane and maybe Trippierif we add a quality central midfielder, adding to Sancho it has to on paper at least be oen of the best windows we have done. Only another central midfielder and striker short of a perfect one really.

What amazes me and yes its still early, we havent sold anybody yet, has anybody but Romero left yet?

Our squad is huge, even if we loan out a lot of youngsters this summer. Its crazy tome JOnes, Matic, Mata, Pereira, Lingard, DAlot could still all be here, let alone some of the bigger profile players.

If we make these signings reported and they do well and nobody much does leave.....we could literally spend £100m on a striker next summer and have a considerably negative net spend as a few players would have to go then
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Jones isn’t wanted by anyone, his wages are expensive and he’s always injured.
Matic is our only real DM despite being past it we can’t lose him.
Mata is kind of there as a role model to younger players.
Pereira keeps going out on loan and doing nothing, he’s 25 and his stock is low.
Lingard will go but we want a decent fee hence why he’s still here.
Milan want Dalot but want to loan him with a buying obligation, we want to sell him hence why he’s still here.
 
We can't go into this season without a cm addition. If we play a 2 then camavinga would be great, but if we wanna move to 1 holder the role is harder to fill
 
sp_107 said:
IN : Sancho (73)/ Carmavinga (35)/ Varane(40) / Trippier (27)/ Remero (40) = -215
OUT: Lindelof(20) / Baily (20)/ Martial (40)/ Dalot (15)/ Matic / Jesse(20) / Perrera (10)/ Williams (10)/ Jones = +135

With 80M NET spend, Can we consider this as a good summer ?
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IN : Sancho (73)/ Carmavinga (35)/ Varane(40) / Trippier (27)

Would be the best transfer window ever… and it’s absolute possible:)
 
If in fact we do bring in -- and it's hard to believe it's possible -- Sancho AND Varane AND Camavinga AND Trippier -- we're pretty well set for a proper PL and CL run, amigos.

Some will still argue that we would still need a proven CDM. I get that, but there's really nothing in what our eyes could tell us or the stats from last season that we got overrun in midfield. We scored a lot of goals, but there was still a lack of sharpness on finishing that cost us dearly (Martial and Pogba on a number of occasions) and of course our set piece defending was atrocious, but I understand we've brought in a specialist coach to correct that weakness.

Most of us hate the sight of "McFred" on the pitch and I'm one of them, but the problem with "McFred" isn't that together that the play poorly, but that having two doing the job of one means we have to play with one less attacking player -- and yet we still managed to score a shitload of goals despite dodgy finishing. But now we've significantly upgraded the front line with the acquisition of Sancho. And we have a fully bedded in Cavanie now. And Greenwood isn't quite so green any longer. Happy days may not be here, however, is Martial continues to play like an entitled brat and Rashford doesn't get the surgery after all (latest reports suggest that it's now in doubt) and continues to play hobbled.

But back the main point. Bringing in two proven world class players -- Sancho and Varane -- addresses the most serious deficiencies in the starting XI. And bringing in two very good, one young and one experienced, players who can expect to get a lot of minutes in midfield and right-back (or left-back, if the rumors of a loan move for Telles come true) is also very good business.

But as of today we only have Sancho in the bank. Let's see if Varane is really on!
 
Polar said:
IN : Sancho (73)/ Carmavinga (35)/ Varane(40) / Trippier (27)

Would be the best transfer window ever… and it’s absolute possible:)
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sp_107 said:
IN : Sancho (73)/ Carmavinga (35)/ Varane(40) / Trippier (27)/ Remero (40) = -215
OUT: Lindelof(20) / Baily (20)/ Martial (40)/ Dalot (15)/ Matic / Jesse(20) / Perrera (10)/ Williams (10)/ Jones = +135

With 80M NET spend, Can we consider this as a good summer ?
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The "in" part is fantastic. On the "out" part, I don't know why you think anybody is going to pay 40MM for Martial. I am also not sure if anybody will pay 20MM for Baily? But other than that looks good. I think Ole would keep Matic, maybe Williams, however
 
NewGlory said:
Ideally, we need a lot. There is a big difference between closing huge gaps (what we are doing) and having genuinely deep squad able to win a title with confidence.

For the latter, we would need (in priority order):
1. A starting center back (Varane?)
2. A better right back
3. Defensive Midfielder
4. Young center forward, understudy for Cavani. Martial is hopeless. Not clear if Greenwood is ready for this and if he is a winger anyway
5. A consistent backup/competition for Bruno on attacking midfielder position
6. More depth in midfield
7. Schmeichel Jr in goal. I was very impressed by him at Euros. De Gea is done (or close) and Dean Henderson is a "maybe". Not bad but also not a sure thing. While Kasper Schmeichel is a sure thing and the pedigree of bringing glory similar to his father to us, would be undeniably mouth-watering. I would 100% go for him. Liverpool and City title races of late are a clear proof of just how much difference a brilliant goalkeeper vs good-enough one makes
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I also like Schmeichel, think he has really matured from a good keeper to an excellent one the last 2/3 seasons.....I didnt realise though and wonder if you do too?.....he is 35 in four months. I know keepers play longer but still.

Personally disagree on the right back situation and the centre forwards, they are very good back ups, who really is there out there as a striker to sign? EIther very young or/and very expensive.

As for Bruno, I think we missed the boat in Grealish last summer who was competition all along the front line. As it stands now, I think with so many attackign players, someone should take opportunities there. Ole really shouldnt be flogging Fernandes like a dead horse and lest be honest the last few months of the season he was one, his overall performances were pretty poor
 
jesperjaap said:
I also like Schmeichel, think he has really matured from a good keeper to an excellent one the last 2/3 seasons.....I didnt realise though and wonder if you do too?.....he is 35 in four months. I know keepers play longer but still.

Personally disagree on the right back situation and the centre forwards, they are very good back ups, who really is there out there as a striker to sign? EIther very young or/and very expensive.

As for Bruno, I think we missed the boat in Grealish last summer who was competition all along the front line. As it stands now, I think with so many attackign players, someone should take opportunities there. Ole really shouldnt be flogging Fernandes like a dead horse and lest be honest the last few months of the season he was one, his overall performances were pretty poor
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Oh, shoot :( Didn't realize Kasper is soon-35. Good call-out

Yes, I am worried about Bruno. Not just because our end of season, but even more so - watching his very poor Euro performance.
 
NewGlory said:
Oh, shoot :( Didn't realize Kasper is soon-35. Good call-out

Yes, I am worried about Bruno. Not just because our end of season, but even more so - watching his very poor Euro performance.
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Well at risk of being slaughtered, I think we have overhyped him a tad. Of coruse he was excellent comign here his first season performances, effect on the team, work rate, attitude etc etc....but is his overall game world class.....Cantona comparisons baffle me.

Not sahing I dont rate him highly....but he doesnt just need cover, he needs as I think you put it...competition
 
De Gea
Henderson

Wan-Bissaka-----Varane----Maguire----Shaw
Trippier--------Lindelof--------Bailly---------Telles

Fred
McTominay

Fernandes----Saul-Niguez
Lingard--------Van de Beek

Sancho--------Cavani--------Rashford
Greenwood-----------Martial-------------James


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Would ideally like to have someone like Ndidi in there instead of Fred but I can't see it this summer.

Having a window of....

Sancho
Saul
Varane
Trippier

....would be fantastic though and would be a great team with plenty of creativity and work ethic,with some great options to come on from the bench.
 
Well if we do get Varane and Trippier then we'll only need DM (unless Pogba is to leave, in that case another midfielder as well).
 
Motorman said:
De Gea
Henderson

Wan-Bissaka-----Varane----Maguire----Shaw
Trippier--------Lindelof--------Bailly---------Telles

Fred
McTominay

Fernandes----Saul-Niguez
Lingard--------Van de Beek

Sancho--------Cavani--------Rashford
Greenwood-----------Martial-------------James


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Would ideally like to have someone like Ndidi in there instead of Fred but I can't see it this summer.

Having a window of....

Sancho
Saul
Varane
Trippier

....would be fantastic though and would be a great team with plenty of creativity and work ethic,with some great options to come on from the bench.
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Sancho , Varane , Trippier and Saul is an incredible Window. However The McFred options still look the weaklink although Having Maguire and Varane behind either of them is would feel alot more secure.
 
Our midfield is very poorly managed.

Pogba: Looks to be leaving
VDB: Might stay put a little longer.
Matic: Extended until 2023 (Not Going Anywhere)
McTominay: Not going anywhere
Fred: Not going anywhere

We have to permanently break up the McFred combo meal and replace them with world class midfielders. Selling either one of them and replacing that sold player with Camavinga would be a great start.
Otherwise this midfield ain't taking us nowhere.
 
Varane and Sancho is fantastic work but I find it hard to get too excited until a CDM comes through the door. Fred and McSauce as regular starters is far off the standard needed to win a league
 
Sancho and Varane would be great signings that would be significant improvements on what we have already.
I can't understand why we are after Trippier. He is an excellent attacking FB but a poor defender; if the reported figures are correct, he would be way overpriced; he is also 30, which would be a bad investment.
A DM is a key for a successful transfer window; if we land the right player who is an improvement on what we have got at the moment, then I see us making a serious push for the league. The problem here is do we go for a specialist DM or a deep lining playmaker, and both options are hard to come by. Could Garner be the answer? Has he the game and personality to play the role? It would be great if he had; there are very few players who we are linked with that tick the boxes.
 
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