He doesn’t possess pace, strength, or aerial ability. He’s not really fit to be a CB for a team that needs to actually defend from time to time in the PL.
What do people see in Lindelof?
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Stop making up stuff to support your Lindelof criticism. The final game had nothing to do with defenders.
But I’m not talking about 1 match. The season is over so now it’s time to talk about what we need to upgrade
I feel our attack is what we most need to uppgrade, but we also need one more central defender and defensive midfielder for squad depth. Also a right back would be good too to have as backup and fight with Wan Bissaka.
That is 4 signings. Hopefully we can get all 4 players we need.
I take it you missed their goal? A bit like Lindelof....
We have no plan to upgrade. If we had those plans, we would have let Bailly go, upgraded defense and gave the backup position to Lindelof
I never deny that we conceded from set pieces. What I’m questioning your fact is you said many are not because of our CBs.
First of all my criticism of him is not just the final game but if you want to do that then just look at the goal we conceded. Not just his fault of course (hi Shaw), but he basically watched the ball sail where it was going then half heartedly tried to grab a hold of a shirt. Not even sure he knew who was there
I wouldn’t look too far into giving a player a contract at United, seems like they give them out like sweets. Let’s see who comes in, but judging by the rumours it’s clear we are looking at a cb who will most likely take Lindelofs place.
He's bang average. A relic of our desperate attempts to crawl out of mediocrity during the LvG/Jose period.
We have been struggling all season to break down teams that park the bus / defend deep.
Yes but that’s a different question, we should be able to address more than one area, hence we are getting linked to Varane, kounde, botman, etc as well as DMs and wingers
Sometimes when you see a replay of the other team getting a chance or scoring, you can't even see where Lindelof is. It's like he's just jogged off down the tunnel to have a piss. WHere does he go? He's at fault for most of our goals, and if he was in a team we were playing against you'd expect us to use Cavani to target him because he'd be a glaring weak link.
He doesn't have a stand out quality defensively and also isn't big/strong enough to compete with physical players...so you'd have to expect every non technical/physical attribute of his game (i.e. mentality, concentration, bravery, etc.) to be faultless, and its not even close.
There was a game recently, Spurs I think ,where Cavani came back and headed the ball off the line, and on first glance you think he's done really well to cover for the defence, but then on the replay you notice that Lindelof is just standing there not doing anything, and could easily have just headed the ball clear himself...and if Cavani hadn't noticed Lindelof being a twat and run in behind him he'd have literally just stood there and let Spurs score, for absolutely no reason. He's either too busy daydreaming to get himself in position, or is too scared to be there in case someone challenges him. Either way its absolute garbage and he shouldn't be getting near the team when he's routinely pulling shite like that. It'd be like a goalkeeper just letting the ball go in because he's too scared to try and save it.
He's our worst player of the ones who Ole seems to favour. He starts every game, presumably based purely on the fact he might play Rashford through with a ball over the top once every month or so. Or possibly just based on the fact Ole refuses to change anything, ever. It doesn't say much for our other defenders, but then Bailly looks better than him when he plays, and Tuanzebe might be better if he played with any regularity.
He also drags other players down with him. Bissaka gets a lot of stick for his far post defending, and some of it is justified, but I wouldn't want to be a fullback with Lindelof on my side of the defence, because I'd never know which player to pick up. You know if you pick up the player you're supposed to, Lindelof will probably just let the guy in front of you score for some reason, and if you pick up the guy in front of you to cover for Lindelof, the guy you're meant to pick up is free, and then Lindelof will wave his arms around moaning as if its your fault.
He doesn't have a stand out quality defensively and also isn't big/strong enough to compete with physical players...so you'd have to expect every non technical/physical attribute of his game (i.e. mentality, concentration, bravery, etc.) to be faultless, and its not even close.
There was a game recently, Spurs I think ,where Cavani came back and headed the ball off the line, and on first glance you think he's done really well to cover for the defence, but then on the replay you notice that Lindelof is just standing there not doing anything, and could easily have just headed the ball clear himself...and if Cavani hadn't noticed Lindelof being a twat and run in behind him he'd have literally just stood there and let Spurs score, for absolutely no reason. He's either too busy daydreaming to get himself in position, or is too scared to be there in case someone challenges him. Either way its absolute garbage and he shouldn't be getting near the team when he's routinely pulling shite like that. It'd be like a goalkeeper just letting the ball go in because he's too scared to try and save it.
He's our worst player of the ones who Ole seems to favour. He starts every game, presumably based purely on the fact he might play Rashford through with a ball over the top once every month or so. Or possibly just based on the fact Ole refuses to change anything, ever. It doesn't say much for our other defenders, but then Bailly looks better than him when he plays, and Tuanzebe might be better if he played with any regularity.
He also drags other players down with him. Bissaka gets a lot of stick for his far post defending, and some of it is justified, but I wouldn't want to be a fullback with Lindelof on my side of the defence, because I'd never know which player to pick up. You know if you pick up the player you're supposed to, Lindelof will probably just let the guy in front of you score for some reason, and if you pick up the guy in front of you to cover for Lindelof, the guy you're meant to pick up is free, and then Lindelof will wave his arms around moaning as if its your fault.
My thoughts haven’t changed much from when we were rumoured to sign him.
He’s not a very good defender and thus shouldn’t start for us especially when he is not that great at anything else either.
Then again, there are CBs worse than him and my thoughts of us having five better CBs back in 2016 were obviously very optimistic, given I was talking about Blind, Smalling, Bailly, Rojo and Jones.
Then again, there are CBs worse than him and my thoughts of us having five better CBs back in 2016 were obviously very optimistic, given I was talking about Blind, Smalling, Bailly, Rojo and Jones.
I see Pau Torres
I don't rate him but also I don't think he's unusable. I haven't watched much of Chelsea but is someone like Christensen that much better than him? Genuinely have no idea.
I feel he can be very useful but he needs a van Dijk because he'll always be the support CB in any duo/trio.
Also, I don't want to make excuses for him but we know he's been playing injured all season, much like Rashford. Not sure if that had impacted his performances but it'll be interesting to see how he does after a long rest (are Sweden even in the Euros?).
If we do decide to sell, anything below £25m will be a very good deal for Spanish side or even someone in Italy.
I feel he can be very useful but he needs a van Dijk because he'll always be the support CB in any duo/trio.
Also, I don't want to make excuses for him but we know he's been playing injured all season, much like Rashford. Not sure if that had impacted his performances but it'll be interesting to see how he does after a long rest (are Sweden even in the Euros?).
If we do decide to sell, anything below £25m will be a very good deal for Spanish side or even someone in Italy.
He needs upgrading. Decent backup option.
I think because we have been so bad for so long people have just forgotten what its like to have a quality CB pair.
When Lindelof is gone and we fix this problem we will look back and think, he wasn't actually very good by our standards.
I can't wait to see Maguire paired with someone of equal ability.
When Lindelof is gone and we fix this problem we will look back and think, he wasn't actually very good by our standards.
I can't wait to see Maguire paired with someone of equal ability.
Yes and like I have said before Lindelöf is not starting 11 material, but as long as our defensive positioning is this bad we are still going to concede goals like the Villarreal one. A more physical defender to partner with Maguire won't change that we look like deers in headlights on freekicks and corners.
He's supposed to be good on the ball but I rarely see him bringing it out of defence. It's always the same shite passes to his centre back partner.
I didn't intend to come off as rude so my apologies. I see that you're Swedish which explains the Lindelof stuff anyway.
Joke of defender. Just observe how he marks setpieces or crosses. Basically, he either makes it uncomfortable by initiating contact, or he jumps for the sake of it. CBs are supposed to be judging the flight then attacking the ball. He at best puts his head up and hopes for the best. Its shockingly passive and lacks basic heading fundamentals.
It will, by far
How when we are using zonal defending? Its weird how obsessed people are with the physical side of defending sometimes.
Look at a team like Bayern. They dont exactly have monsters in the central defence but they dont concede the goals we do.
We have a cb who watches the ball rather rather than do anything, this would happen no matter what system we use. A system doesn’t change a players failings.
there was a corner in the final, Lindelof is hiding near the front post rather than in the mix. What cb does that?
I agree with your overall point, I’m not a fan of zonal marking but I don’t think it changes the Lindelof question, which this thread is talking about
lemme put it this way, if you plonked a prime Vidic or prime Stam in there instead of Lindelof do you think we’d have half the problems? I don’t think so
To be fair Id take those two over any of our current defenders, heck I would take them over any current defenders anywhere. But no I do agree with you with them it wouldnt have happened.
That having been said both Vidic and Stam read the play very well along with their strength.
But I want to repeat myself. I dont think Lindelöf is good enough to start for us at all. I just think we have more issues to adress with our defence, even after replacing him.
I see very little. If I was the DoF, I would buy a quality CB like Kounde to partner Maguire. Then I would sell Lindelof to fund a modestly priced but tall and strong Milenkovic to be the backup CB. His weak a** defending has cost us too much.
Yes - he is slightly more agile and less awkward in a one v one vs Maguire but that’s missing the point of Maguire.
Yes - he is slightly more agile and less awkward in a one v one vs Maguire but that’s missing the point of Maguire.
Not saying we don’t have work, we do. I’d like to see more communication from them and especially the keeper. I just think we remove the weak link that everyone is targeting and we go to work
Jose bought him for his passing skills, and while he does have some good long passes at times, as a defender he leaves a lot to be desired.
I agree, replacing the weakest part of our starting defense is the first step absolutely.
Yeah sadly both our keepers seem quiet. I had hoped Henderson would be more of a presence, but he is only marginally more vocal than DDG.
Different topic I know but I can’t see either keeper being the long term solution but due to budget it’ll be put back at least 1 season
He is dependably average/below average defender. The dependability part is the only redeeming part about him when we have had crooks like Bailly, Jones. But he doesn't suit a team which has ambitions to attack. As he is a terrible pure one on one defender
Fair point - Bailly and others are so bad that they make Lindelof seem good.
Why are there two Lindelof threads running at exactly the same time that are about the exact same things? It confuses me.
The balance of probability of Lindelof being caught off guard or being on the losing end of an physical/pace battle is high. You’d like your opponent to think that whenever they face a United defender that the balance of probability is stacked against them.
unfortuntaly that isnt the case here with Lindelof, teams should fear a United defender in the sense of him being able to physically outplay you and being a real nuisance, especially in a physical league such as the Premier League.
unfortuntaly that isnt the case here with Lindelof, teams should fear a United defender in the sense of him being able to physically outplay you and being a real nuisance, especially in a physical league such as the Premier League.
A great defender just bursting to get out.
No.
No.
Ole has twenty so this one is ok.
Bailly is superior player but can’t be trusted
He's a 'good' defender who has plenty of good games and does many things well, but sometimes lacks the assertivness and physicality that is needed in this league - which leads to errors and bad games. I'd be happy enough with him as part of our second choice CB pairing but in the big moments we need someone a little better as our first choice.