Bernie has been a senator much longer than Hillary. He is of course well versed in the various nuances of foreign policy. He did not have to hold any specific position. Its ridiculous to compare him to Trump in that regard.
What did Hillary do wrong and what's next for her?
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Bernie has been a senator much longer than Hillary. He is of course well versed in the various nuances of foreign policy. He did not have to hold any specific position. Its ridiculous to compare him to Trump in that regard.
Being a Senator for much longer isn't as important as what he has done in the Senate. Bernie has not been on any foreign policy related committees, because he doesn't care about foreign policy as much as he does domestic issues. His entire political career has been focused on income inequality, education, and other non foreign policy related matters. Hillary, whether you love or hate her, is infinitely more qualified in that regard. In fact, few Presidential candidates in history have been better equipped to deal with foreign policy issues than she has. She was basically with Bill for all his 8 years of policy making (and probably had input on a good number of his policies), had 6-8 years of armed services committee experience in the Senate, as well as 4 years as Secretary of State.
I've grown to like Bernie but am under no illusions that he would be a foreign policy novice who our adversaries would relish taking advantage of.
I would highly question her input during Bill's years. The problem with her is she has embellished her experience to the point of downright lying (her Bosnia story). Secondly her SoS creds are hardly favourable.
Oh boy, you are really clutching at straws if you are reduced to referencing her Bosnia story. Her foreign policy credentials are second to non compared to any other recent Presidential candidate, probably as far back as Bush 41 or even before.
American foreign policy mainly involves blowing up wedding parties in the middle east and overthrown democratic governments, so yeah the old socialist from Vermont would have be a bit rubbish at it.
Feck its odd we even call it foreign policy I mean its straight up imperialism.
Feck its odd we even call it foreign policy I mean its straight up imperialism.
Her Bosnia story is highly entertaining tbf
love that youtube video too.
That was hilarious.
That must have been the peak of her foreign policy "career". Oh, and also when the Clinton foundation accepted millions from foreign governments.
Well said.
That was hilarious.
That must have been the peak of her foreign policy "career". Oh, and also when the Clinton foundation accepted millions from foreign governments.
C'mon player, you can do better than that. Surely you know a little about this topic.
I just wanted anybody but Trump, even Hillary or godforbid, Dubya.
Depends on your point of view. I happen to live in HK, part of the People's Republic of China, where the ruling 'communist' party run the most right wing system in the world.
She is probably the MOST qualified candidate ever in a US presidential race in terms of foreign policy.
Depends on your point of view. I happen to live in HK, part of the People's Republic of China, where the ruling 'communist' party run the most right wing system in the world.
Ok, but based on standard European/North American politics - she would be considered slightly right of center. The only reason she's considered centrist in the U.S. is because its a traditionally right of center country.
Imperialism in the sense of China annexing most of the South China Sea for no apparent reason except that they CAN?That was hilarious.
That must have been the peak of her foreign policy "career". Oh, and also when the Clinton foundation accepted millions from foreign governments.
Yet for some reason the Sea of Japan doesn't belong to Japan according to the same CCP
Definitely, probably even a bit more than Bush Sr. who had boatloads of experience.
Cannot argue with that. Perhaps the US needs somewhere to the left of her, but given the choice between Hillary and Don, it's a no brainer, except for the 80k or so in those states.
Oh well, the minority of US voters wanted someone 'outside the system'. All jump on 'The Rock' for 2020.
Oh well, the minority of US voters wanted someone 'outside the system'. All jump on 'The Rock' for 2020.
I have a lot of respect for Sanders. I'm just under no illusion that he would be effective, neither domestically (no GOP or centrist Dem support) or foreign policy (no experience). In fact, there's a high chance that if Bernie ever made it to the Presidency that he would be forced to pivot from his koolaid drinking idealism to pragamtic collaboration and muscular foreign policy. They all do eventually.
Oh well, the minority of US voters wanted someone 'outside the system'. All jump on 'The Rock' for 2020.
Would love to see the Trump v Rock debate
Host: "President Trump what do you think of the escalating tensions in East Asia"
Trump: "Well I.."
Rock: "IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK"
Agreed with all of that.
I'd have preferred magic abs to 'build the wall', but I guess we'll never know.
I hope she doesn't run in 2020. But verritt.com seems to be the biggest clue yet.
I'd love to see Dwayne have a go at stalking Don at the debates.
Not sure there is something to learn on their part.
Everybody knew Hillary had close to zero chance of winning. There is no way they (DNC) didn't knew it when they picked her to run.
They also knew that Sanders would have beaten Trump for sure.
Which brings us to the next conclusions (that many people failed to see):
1. The DNC and the people that finances/control them, preferred a Trump/republican presidency before letting the "socialist" Sanders to get into power. Which would have made the bases of the current establishment to shake and crumble. People is sick of this capitalism without limits, they want social democracy, but they wont let them get it so easy.
2. Bernie will never be the DNC candidate. He needs to join a party that thinks like him (Green party for example), or just start his own new party. (so the Jill Stein haters can jump on board too)
The duopoly is real, they will claw to the power with all their instruments. As we said before the elections. Trump can surprise us all, or be just as bad as Hillary would be, and it was the latter sadly.
Almost everyone in the world thought she'd win the night before.
should have made the announcement in 2008.
would have saved everyone a lot a grief.
Really hope so.She is a yesterday politician. Reminds me very much of Tony Blair.
Hillary Clinton's book has a clear message: don't blame me
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ary-clintons-book-what-happened-clear-messageGuardian said:
Until I read her book, I feel most media summaries will jump on certain points and use it to advance theories that she still doesn't get it.
That may be the case but surely she must have gained some insight during her sabbatical from politics post-Trump?
That may be the case but surely she must have gained some insight during her sabbatical from politics post-Trump?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/09/what-happened-to-hillary-clinton-she-lost/
Not too bad an article.
Not too bad an article.
Looks like the book signing attracted some attention seeking losers.
Thread for book review:
My favourite:
I thought I was immune to being shocked by her stuff - but then she does this:
Gloria Steinem had to apologise for making similar remarks. It's interesting to see how shallow Hillary's feminism is when she's looking for people to blame.
Gloria Steinem had to apologise for making similar remarks. It's interesting to see how shallow Hillary's feminism is when she's looking for people to blame.
Hold the barrel to your right nostril and with the help of your trigger finger inhale the bullet into your frontal lobe.
Damn! for someone who was by far the best candidate out of the two choices, and someone who would have undoubtedly made the best president, she is seriously flawed. Bannon was completely right when he said she just doesn't get it and that is why she lost.
If she 'got it', there would be no book. It can only damage democrats.
Is this legit? I can't tell nowadays.